Yeah, I normally try to play with friends but all of mine have lost interest in the game. Three of them went back to the WoW expansion. I thought maybe solo queue wouldn't be so bad.
Maybe I'll just take a few weeks break or something.
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Yeah, I normally try to play with friends but all of mine have lost interest in the game. Three of them went back to the WoW expansion. I thought maybe solo queue wouldn't be so bad.
Maybe I'll just take a few weeks break or something.
Garrett Hawke
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But in doing the turret nerf they got symmetra too which made no sense and wasn't necessary.
They CAN do a PTR on consoles if they wanted to - it would just have to be for balance tweaks, not new content. For example both Titanfall 2 and Destiny have server side balance patches that don't require an update from Sony or MS and I'm pretty sure Blizzard themselves have even done it once before when the Mei glitch happened.
Red Arremer
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That's half of the current roster that is fully viable in competitive play. I'd say that's pretty good. Tournament play also has Winston clearly showing that he is fully viable. I also would argue Hanzo is at the very least at the border of breaking through viability, and is currently used as a specialized pick. Same goes for Junkrat.
Most of the characters not on this list are currently getting changes on the PTR or confirmed getting looked at, as well.
I specifically also brought up the pacing of the balance changes. They can't change all the characters at once. They have to take their time, especially when characters get bigger changes.
Example: If you buff both Soldier 76 and Pharah significantly, then it's very difficult to gauge whether both of them have been buffed enough, or have been buffed too much, especially if one gets a buff that makes more of an impact than the other.
Give it some time. Also, accept the fact that given the changes of meta and character balance, there always will be characters who are more viable than others, and thus will see more play. I think it would be nearly impossible to have all 22 (soon 23) characters be 100% viable picks in all or even most situations.
Nuno Pinto
Member
Yeah, King's Row, we won 3-2.
We were really good on defense, especially that game on Route 66 where we didn't do that well on attack and they stopped us before we could reach the 2nd checkpoint.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
So what exactly is this tournament, and when is it happening? I feel like every team is in Korea scrimming constantly. People talking about Lunatic Hai vs Envyus and other matchups we haven't seen before. There is some tournament in Korea and it's happening soon, can anyone give me any more info, or a link or something?
Really hope Sombra is in the game by the time it happens.
Really hope Sombra is in the game by the time it happens.
Kor of Memory
Member
This list is kind of silly.
You've listed
4 out of 6 DPS characters
1 out of 6 Defense characters (though, people could argue 3 out of 6 are viable).
3 out of 5 Tanks characters (though, people could argue 4 out of 5 are viable).
3 out of 5 Support characters (though, people could argue 4 out of 5 are viable).
Sure it sucks that not every single person is viable, but the fact that over half ARE is a pretty big accomplishment.
Are you talking about OGN Apex? Cuz that's happening already.
I usually follow results and know when the stream is up here.
To everyone's surprise, NRG lost and clockwork didn't perform as well as everyone expected. To the complete opposite, Rogue won.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Must be it. I didn't realize that there were so many games, I guess what I hear people talking about is the LAN part of the tournament. Thanks.
Red Arremer
Member
Agreed. And I think Blizzard is doing a pretty solid job in at least attempting to make everyone reasonably viable at least as situational picks.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Although I've mainly been hearing about it on Harbleu's stream and it doesn't look like Complexity is even in it. So unless there was some kind of qualifying matches or something this weekend, and they didn't make it, then maybe not...
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Alright so OGN Apex definitely seems to be the big one, whereas Complexity is in some IGL tourney this weekend, I think I got the two mixed up in my head, thanks guys.
Kor of Memory
Member
Hell, Mei became viable after increasing the radius of her Ult.
Most of the "non-viable" heroes just need the right stat tweaked so they can climb back up into notoriety.
The only exception is Symmetra who is getting an overhaul because her kit itself is flawed.
Meta report for the World Cup:
https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-11-14-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-overwatch-world-cup-edition
Granny too good
https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-11-14-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-overwatch-world-cup-edition
Granny too good
Kor of Memory
Member
Copy/Paste for those of us at work?
xaosslug
Member
RIP, Zen.
Kor of Memory
Member
That Nano-boost nerf should pull Ana back down, and let Zen come back up. Assuming they go through with it.
Same with Zarya. I love her to death, but her kit just makes her way too strong for way too many situations.
I don't think Lucio will ever drop to B tier. His kit is just too handy, off healers are great for all those low health targets that can't seem to get attention from the main healer and their tank(s).
D.Va will come back up when Zarya goes back down.
Red Arremer
Member
I think Zenyatta also might come up because of Sombra, since Lucio's support ult is gonna be hard-countered by her. Zenyatta might lose access to it for 6 seconds if she EMPs before he ults (and also take 150 damage I guess), but at least it's not getting entirely wiped.
Kor of Memory
Member
I dunno. Personally, I think using Sombra's Ult to counter Lucio's is silly. His Ult only lasts like 2 seconds anyway. By the time you react to a Lucio Ult, and have to get into position to really use it, chances are you're only going to be removing 25-50hp from people, if that.
I think her Ult should be a more proactive Ult, not reactive the way Lucio and Zen are.
xaosslug
Member
lol @ peeps trying to defend Symm as viable - the first character in the game to get a major rework. Let's not even speak of Widowmaker, who the game devs themselves make jokes about how fucking useless she is. xD
with Sombra joining the meta? IDK, especially about D.Va making any kind of headway.
with Sombra joining the meta? IDK, especially about D.Va making any kind of headway.
Red Arremer
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It depends on the situation. Yes, Lucio's ult often is used to counter a Genji sword or Reaper ult, but not always. In a clustered up teamfight on a point, Lucio's ult is often popped for extra survivability, especially if you have a Reaper wanting to use Death Blossom, and make a push (or defense) stronger.
Sombra's ult is more versatile than Lucio's, though, and can be used as a tool to initiate. Taking away the skills of enemies (especially if it's a character who can sneak up on them) is a powerful tool to push. But if I was playing Sombra and Lucio used his ult during a team fight, I'd definitely use the reactionary EMP to take away that extra shielding and turn around the team fight in my team's favour. After all the shield wipe isn't the only benefit of ulting.
Who defended Symmetra as being viable? I don't see anybody who remotely suggested that. And do I have to remind you of the Widowmaker meta at launch? Just like Jeff Kaplan said in the Q&A at BlizzCon, everyone sure LOVED when that was the meta.
I'd suggest toning down the condescending attitude.
Red Arremer
Member
Her fully charged bodyshot damage was reduced from 150 to 120, which means she no longer was able to 2-shot most of the cast with a charged bodyshot followed by a quickscope (and oneshot Tracer and Zenyatta prior to the latter's health buff), and became much more reliant on headshots, which are difficult to line up while also getting opposition.
NeoRaider
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She is still kicking ass(es) at least on PC.
I personally am loving her more and more.
Kor of Memory
Member
Word on the street is* that Blizzard never even really wanted a Sniper character in the game but knew they had to put one in to attract certain demographics.
* and by word on the street I mean, I've seen that posted here and have absolutely no source to share.
Baleoce
Member
I hope Season 3 shakes things up a bit.
Kor of Memory
Member
Making Winston's Ult immune to sleep would be a big step up. I kind a feel like it should be anyway.
Like, make the sleep dart duration dependant on the size of the target (or the hp, really):
200hp and less is 6 seconds.
300hp is 5 seconds
400hp is 4 seconds
500hp is 3 seconds
600hp is 2 seconds
700hp is 1 second
800+hp is immune
It would be interesting if this was dynamic as well. Like, shooting a Roadhog full health is a 2 second sleep, but shooting a Roadhog at 300hp is 5 seconds.
xaosslug
Member
y'all arguing that it's OK, fine that Symm has been trash-tier (and players have been blamed for her nono-use) since launch is defending her viability, especially considering how now she's being reworked - not buffed, but reworked - to the point where she might be moved out of the support category. Blizz done goofed.
and Widowmaker literally contradicts your entire 'Blizz has got this balance thing down, y'all!' point. xD
xaosslug
Member
i wish Reaper's wraith form actually functioned like it does in the animated shorts. Would be cool, tbh.
aside from Sombra joining Ana at the top, I don't see many changes. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯
i do anticipate op, reworked Symm (if she's released next season...) to make some waves, tho. LOL
aside from Sombra joining Ana at the top, I don't see many changes. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ i do anticipate op, reworked Symm (if she's released next season...) to make some waves, tho. LOL
Kor of Memory
Member
All I know is I'll take Blizzard balancing over Bungie Balancing any day of the week, any week of the year.
Red Arremer
Member
Uhh no? Symmetra getting a rework is specifically one of the points I've brought up numerous times. Here:
Where did I claim that Symmetra was fine? Please find the exact quote and post it. And I'm going to extend this to everyone else who was on my page in regards to Blizzard's balance (which seemed to be Anne, Kor and Cappa for the most part, all 3 of which also acknowledged that Symmetra is getting a rework and in dire need of one).
I specifically said that they cannot (and should not!) try to "fix" every single character at once, because then balance becomes even more of a mess. The one-by-one approach Blizzard has been taking is the way to go and smart.
But sure. Pick out that one character that is difficult to balance. Not the fact that more than half of the cast are fully viable or situationally viable. No, Sir. One hero that's difficult to balance is clear evidence of "topkek blizzard balance lollololollollol Kappakappa heuhuehue xDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD"
xaosslug
Member
look, idk why you are mad? But Blzz has only been reworking Symm for 1-2 months. lol @ 'several' She's been ignored and defended for SEVERAL, tho! xD
and yeah, let's just ignore Widowmaker - that's what Blizz is doing, so why not. ;P
Newtype-001
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mullet2000
Member
Finding it really hard not to get discouraged in comp lately.
Went from 2497 to 2340. Just losing constantly because of teammates unwilling to change roles, or generally acting rude (swearing, putting other players down) and not willing to work as a team (ignoring the rest of the team, not chatting, not grouping up, etc)
I'm fine admitting I played badly when I do, but I'm ending all these matches with like three golds so it's hard not to be disappointed that I'm tanking despite putting in a good individual performance.
Went from 2497 to 2340. Just losing constantly because of teammates unwilling to change roles, or generally acting rude (swearing, putting other players down) and not willing to work as a team (ignoring the rest of the team, not chatting, not grouping up, etc)
I'm fine admitting I played badly when I do, but I'm ending all these matches with like three golds so it's hard not to be disappointed that I'm tanking despite putting in a good individual performance.
xaosslug
Member
Sombra to translocate her into F? RIP
Red Arremer
Member
I'm not mad, I'm simply annoyed by your extremely condescending attitude. The fact you keep putting words into my mouth and completely ignoring all of my arguments doesn't help.
Also, definition of several:
several
ˈsɛv(ə
r(əldeterminer & pronoun
1.
more than two but not many.
We can be sure that Blizzard has decided to rework Symmetra and started the re-design process at least 2-3 weeks before they made the initial announcement, especially given the fact that dataminers already found voicelines of various potential mechanics for her on the PTR mere days after said announcement was made public. I sincerely doubt they would've brought in the voice actress to record those lines and included them on the PTR within a few days.
However, I'm starting to think that there is absolutely no way to discuss with you in any factual way, because all you respond with is "lolollol symmetra xDXdXDXDXD", and ignoring any sort of arguments I'm making just to be more condescending.
xaosslug
Member
I'm not mad, I'm simply annoyed by your extremely condescending attitude. The fact you keep putting words into my mouth and completely ignoring all of my arguments doesn't help.
Also, definition of several:
several
ˈsɛv(ə
determiner & pronoun
1.
more than two but not many.
We can be sure that Blizzard has decided to rework Symmetra and started the re-design process at least 2-3 weeks before they made the initial announcement, especially given the fact that dataminers already found voicelines of various potential mechanics for her on the PTR mere days after said announcement was made public. I sincerely doubt they would've brought in the voice actress to record those lines and included them on the PTR within a few days.
However, I'm starting to think that there is absolutely no way to discuss with you in any factual way, because all you respond with is "lolollol symmetra xDXdXDXDXD", and ignoring any sort of arguments I'm making just to be more condescending.
this is where we are now in this discussion... xD
Red Arremer
Member
I am simply not going to participate in any further "discussion" with you. There is no merit to it.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
My mindset before I start playing these days is "just playing comp because I like the rules and the games more, I'll have a ton of fun as long as I don't care about winning or losing."
But when our Lucio swaps to Symmetra after we lose one KOTH round I still get mad. :'(
Just gotta get over it.
But when our Lucio swaps to Symmetra after we lose one KOTH round I still get mad. :'(
Just gotta get over it.
Nuno Pinto
Member
I undesrtand your point, but I seriously hope they don't add complicated stuff like this. Like when people were saying that D.Va shouldn't be put asleep because she's in her mech. It kinda makes sense, but I don't want that.
I want the abilities to have a standard, something that works on everything in equal terms, no exceptions.
Sombra's ult is already very weird as it is, since she can negate some ults and not others.
I wish we could cancel wraith form when we want, like Mei's ice block.
Why? He's still in the support class.
I would be mad too.
I am loving Winston more and more. He's great fun, especially on KotH maps where you can push people off with his Ult. He's one of the heroes I'm having the most fun with right now and I want to continue to improve my play with him.
Running into jerks while playing online games is an unfortunate fact of life. Don't let them ruin your fun. They aren't worth your time or consideration.
Hmm, I need to go try him out on PTR. You wouldn't think 3 damage a shot would be that big of a change but it does cut a chunk of time off of his TTK as long as he's landing head shots.
pinkurocket
Member
Oh, I've had some harassment in a comp game too recently. It's also been the first time in ages it happened to me, well besides in Rust which is just full of twats 24/7. I play Lucio a lot, and I use his pink skin and my ingame name is 'Pinku' too so obviously they thought it was funny to point out how 'gay' and 'tryhard' that was. If it wasn't comp I wouldn't have blessed them with my heals, blegh.
But yeah, just ignore it or report if you really want and don't fight back, not worth it. Just move on.
I can't see sombra finding a place in the meta as long as her damage remains as low as it is. Who's slot realistically is she going to take?
As for the current meta report, the fall of zen is spectacular. Meanwhile lucio/zarya remain staple. Such a shame lucio is boring to play and low impact.
As for the current meta report, the fall of zen is spectacular. Meanwhile lucio/zarya remain staple. Such a shame lucio is boring to play and low impact.
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