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orthodoxy1095
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Lmao. Lucio worse than Mercy? Not in a million, bajillion years.
The only thing fun about Lucio is spamming his voice lines.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
Wallriding, booping enemies into pits, doing actual damage, helping the team doing the last push into the finish line with his ult. All super lame...
Don Draper's Hat
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Why are you so angry?
Vault Dweller 111
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That's how you get tinnitus.
Lucio gun is super lame, and not damaging at all. Weaker than Mercy pistol actually.
When your team gives you room to maneuver as Mercy, she becomes really fun. When your team actually pushes with speed boosts then Lucio is fun I guess. Never happens, so I don't like playing him. One of my friends will at least go Pharah or something for Mercy.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I'll take Lucio over mercy. Anyday.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Moving around as Lucio alone allows for more fun than anything Mercy ever does.
veloxStrix
Banned
I really, really don't like iddqd's personality. BUT - this list doesn't have Clockwork who is just as toxic but half as good so change my opinion from vaguely optimistic to hoping with every fiber of my being that this lineup ends up happening.
buy teh haloz
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I like playing Lucio but I am terrible at him. Annoying because I did well with him in season 2.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
I like Mercy! But Lucio is my most played and favourite character
Seductivpancakes
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Problem is a lot of the time, you need people to defend Mercy, while Lucio can just bounce people away and run away.
orthodoxy1095
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They became Lucio mains.
LurkerPrime
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They need to rework Shield Generator ASAP. Going treasure hunting, ignoring literally everything else going on, every match isn't what Overwatch should be about.
Ana mains
Lucio mains are usually Genji mains that got tired of not having healers
just like Winston mains are Genji mains that got tired of not having tanks
Obliterator
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Am I crazy or is Winston the actual worst hero in the game? I rarely if ever see people go ham with him
Stuck in bronze.
Winston is actually one of the scariest, at least from a supports perspective.
Vault Dweller 111
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Bahahahahaha
orthodoxy1095
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Fair, fair.
Personally, hate using him and there almost always feels like a better option.
you can do well with him but he has FAR more counters than every other tank.
orthodoxy1095
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You still had to do that for teleporters.
orthodoxy1095
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Sombra is like Tracer. I absolutely abhor playing against her, but man is she fun to play yourself.
Ghost is Bad
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rofl
orthodoxy1095
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People who play Sym on KOTH are trash.
LurkerPrime
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Teleporters aren't the same as the Shield Generator. In a worst case scenario, they still expire.
And Mercy, as great as she is at healing, isn't giving heroes bonus health at zero risk to herself. Even with her ult, gamechanging rezzes don't just happen by themselves, they're something Mercy has to capitalise on.
And an aside, Sombra's ult still doesn't destroy Symm's turrets. C'mon.
Like, IIRC they couldn't balance Symmetra's shield passive with low-HP heroes, so their solution is an ult that increases problematic heroes' health by 50% instead? What??
Blizz pls. I'm mad.
Winston's really good against anyone that is long-rang, or support-oriented, but near-powerless against anyone that can outdamage, slow, or out-maneuver him. (i.e. over half of the heroes in the game) He has to jump in, get his target, and jump out, keeping everyone unbalanced--because the moment people focus on him, he dies.
He's a difficult pick in the current meta, IMO. Symmetra's shield generator further weakens his ability to outlast opponents, a single Mei, Bastion, or Roadhog completely shuts him down, and he's not particularly useful against tanks other than Reinhardt (and even then, it's only because he can pierce the shield with his Tesla cannon.) It's like, he can be super useful, but the enemy has to leave a Winston-shaped hole in their defenses for it to be so.
And Mercy, as great as she is at healing, isn't giving heroes bonus health at zero risk to herself. Even with her ult, gamechanging rezzes don't just happen by themselves, they're something Mercy has to capitalise on.
And an aside, Sombra's ult still doesn't destroy Symm's turrets. C'mon.
Like, IIRC they couldn't balance Symmetra's shield passive with low-HP heroes, so their solution is an ult that increases problematic heroes' health by 50% instead? What??
Blizz pls. I'm mad.
Winston's really good against anyone that is long-rang, or support-oriented, but near-powerless against anyone that can outdamage, slow, or out-maneuver him. (i.e. over half of the heroes in the game) He has to jump in, get his target, and jump out, keeping everyone unbalanced--because the moment people focus on him, he dies.
He's a difficult pick in the current meta, IMO. Symmetra's shield generator further weakens his ability to outlast opponents, a single Mei, Bastion, or Roadhog completely shuts him down, and he's not particularly useful against tanks other than Reinhardt (and even then, it's only because he can pierce the shield with his Tesla cannon.) It's like, he can be super useful, but the enemy has to leave a Winston-shaped hole in their defenses for it to be so.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Ehhh, Winston is pretty good in this meta. He's still THE dive tank.
Newtype-001
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Is this what NRGs new roster might be?
I really, really don't like iddqd's personality. BUT - this list doesn't have Clockwork who is just as toxic but half as good so change my opinion from vaguely optimistic to hoping with every fiber of my being that this lineup ends up happening.
So if this turns out real
Dummy and Greggo Supports
IDDQD Hitscan
Numlocked Tank
Seagull on Projectiles and/or Zarya
Not sure about the Sypeh guy
Pretty solid lineup
LurkerPrime
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Would the alternative be D.va? 'Cause yeah.
It's weird how a hero with so much health seems so fragile. Guess it's the whole "my head is the size of my body" thing going on.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Not really.
Jump+tesla cleave+genji dash is still a hell of a combo and the bubble shield is still far better for dive initiation than defense matrix. People really underestimate the bubble. I constantly get annoyed at my dps not breaking it because it's hugely disruptive for my sightlines.
RespectThySole
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Sypeh is a pretty good Genji
Nuno Pinto
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People that give up early are the worst. I understand it if the team composition is "trollish", but when we are actually doing decent on defense and losing the checkpoints on the ~3rd fight, it makes no sense. Comeback victories are one of the best experiences this game has to offer, but it seems like that for some people if they don't win the match on the first checkpoint then the game makes no sense.
I really, really don't like iddqd's personality. BUT - this list doesn't have Clockwork who is just as toxic but half as good so change my opinion from vaguely optimistic to hoping with every fiber of my being that this lineup ends up happening.
I had a feeling that IDDQD was going to join NRG after I heard about Gods joining Cloud9. At least I thought it sounded like a good teamup of different skillsets.
Speed boost though.
I terms of most fun kit Ana>Zen>Lucio>>>>>>>>>>>Mercy.
TurboLibre
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If you think playing Mercy or Lucio is boring, you're probably doing a bad job as those characters. Probably the most stressful characters in the game, lol. I go Tank or Attack when I need a breather.
Edit: With that said, how badly would the game break if they brought in an overheal for Mercy?
This right here. Though its usually just fun with friends because randumbs can be... well... dumb.
Just had a lovely match 5v6 where my team couldn't help the urge to trickle in 1 at a time ):
TurboLibre
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Mercy main checking in.
It's real fucked up down here. I'm still doing it because I hate myself, but damn are those idiots still alive.
I think they should nerf Zen's dmg or block his dmg if he hasn't put his healing orb on someone lol. See so many bad Zen's nowadays. Everyone complains about Roadhog, but whenever I see this one Zen hunting someone he thinks he can kill, peaking behind a corner or the Reinshield, getting hooked and die, fml. Zen is never in the back and always on the frontline.
veloxStrix
Banned
Sypeh plays projectile DPS for a smaller team called Citizen7. He's a really good player (who is honestly held back by his team some), but probably the one who doesn't quite mesh with the team roles as they are. I suppose if he ended up on NRG, Seagull would swap to an offtank role. Seagull's character pool is pretty large though, so the idea isn't really that crazy.
IDDQD is an excellent player, but - from my knowledge - a fairly bad teammate. His latest stream showed him tilting a lot less, but we'll see. I think putting him and Clockwork in the same proximity for an extended period of time is like smoking while pumping gas. Eventually there will be an explosion.
Grego hype though. Also, Tempo Storm is my favorite e-sports org, so knowing they are getting JKW and Sleepy - who is an insane Ana player - is getting me pretty pumped up. ᕦ(ò_óˇ
ᕤveloxStrix
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Just read the Lucio debate. I personally enjoy Lucio more, but besides personal preference there are a few issues people brought up that aren't really correct. The main one being Mercy having a higher DPS than Lucio.
Mercy's DPS per clip and reload is 80. Lucio's is lower at 64. These are the numbers you will generally see on any website. HOWEVER, Lucio's actual damage done in 1 sec is 80 - the exact same as Mercy's damage in any given second. The difference comes from Mercy's shorter reload and faster fire rate. Their actual damage per shot is the same and the difference doesn't really matter until a whole clip has been loaded into someone. Of course, while Mercy is shooting she is doing literally nothing else whereas Lucio is still functioning perfectly. Not to mention Lucio can get easy environmental kills.
Edit: Oops, I thought I was editing my above post. It's early and I have a long commute.
Mercy's DPS per clip and reload is 80. Lucio's is lower at 64. These are the numbers you will generally see on any website. HOWEVER, Lucio's actual damage done in 1 sec is 80 - the exact same as Mercy's damage in any given second. The difference comes from Mercy's shorter reload and faster fire rate. Their actual damage per shot is the same and the difference doesn't really matter until a whole clip has been loaded into someone. Of course, while Mercy is shooting she is doing literally nothing else whereas Lucio is still functioning perfectly. Not to mention Lucio can get easy environmental kills.
Edit: Oops, I thought I was editing my above post. It's early and I have a long commute.
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