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[Veelk]

No idea what the PC situation is, but Bastion seems utterly broken on console. A good player with him, can run the entire match on Payload. Especially coupled with a good Bastion / D.Va to soak up damage for him

I haven't played because I'm waiting for them to unfuck D.Va.

But yeah, nothing I heard about this bastion meta feels right to be. It's kind of ridiculous that he got like 4 serious buffs in one patch like he did. I know they wanted to make him useful, but...like, why can't blizzard work in increments, jeez

 

[Joshmyersbv]

Ok I see what people are saying about bastion. I tried soldier and Zarya to take him down and got bodied when reloading. When Mercy's riding his ass hard you can't do enough damage solo to take him out. I'm almost at diamond though, just two more wins

 

[Anne]

Tracer is really good against Bastion post nerf.

I def don't think the thing is OP atm, he is far from being figured out at all.

 

[Rickenslacker]

I really hope Orisa's release doesn't end up railroading comps into Rein + Orisa.

 

[Jellie]

I really hope Orisa's release doesn't end up railroading comps into Rein + Orisa.

Sombra is the counter to barrier watch. Seen some good sombras lately.


Saw a theory that doomfist will be have a knock back ability since zarya bubbles got changed to not block melee knock back and orisa who is meant to fight doomfist has anti knock back ability. Makes sense.

 

[Zen Aku]

I really hope Orisa's release doesn't end up railroading comps into Rein + Orisa.

I think Orisa might replace DVA as the compliment tank to Rein.

 

[KiraFA37]

Just found this while browsing the Overwatch reddit. http://imgur.com/gallery/07N16 I need more lore...

 

[Azoor]

Just found this while browsing the Overwatch reddit. http://imgur.com/gallery/07N16 I need more lore...

They need to add Orisa into that now.

 

[Anne]

After reading that D.Va thread I think they need to rename the tank class or something. People don't understand how that shit works :T

 

[ricelord]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753485708?page=2#post-22

D.va main tears. Confirmation she'll never be a walking terror again.

trash tier for more months confirmed.

looks like i'm gonna main Orisa if she turn out good.

 

[Anne]

trash tier for more months confirmed.

Just curious why you would think she's trash tier? I think she's p good now that things have settled and genuinely don't understand where people are thinking she is utter garbage from.

 

[Antiwhippy]

The dva player from runaway actually did a super cool play yesterday where he protected the Lucio constantly from tracer with dm.

She can still be good as a, and this is going to shock people, as an actual tank. People are too used to play her as a mass of hp dashing in the middle of a group shooting people.

 

[KillGore]

Man, fuck Bastion. Had a match yesterday where the whole enemy team was just protecting him. He destroyed us. Even Mercy's ult was used just to revive him.

Map was Nepal (PS4)

Guys, welcome to BastionWatch

Edit: Earlier in this thread I asked why Bastion gets switched out of sentry mode by Rein and Hog but not Winston (ult) not Lucio (boop). They told me only stuns could take him out of sentry mode, so why doesn't McCree's flashbang do the same? That's a stun, no?

 

[hypernima]

Just found this while browsing the Overwatch reddit. http://imgur.com/gallery/07N16 I need more lore...

Mei would have been born 2036 no? She's 9-11 years older than Sombra because of her freeze.

 

[Skii]

After reading that D.Va thread I think they need to rename the tank class or something. People don't understand how that shit works :T

One of the highest rated posts on that thread is saying that her 400 armor was never a problem lmao.

DVa was my second most used character in season 3 but even I knew I was abusing the fuck out of no one being able to kill her 1v1. You could just dive healers like a flanker would and come out fine. It was insane how bad you could be but still win team fights with DVa.

I agree that DVa right now is balanced and people just need to learn how to play her like an off tank. I bet these same people would want Zarya to get buffed because she can't all in like pre-nerf DVa could.

 

[caesar]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SingleWiseSparrowSeemsGood

Dirty af fam

 

[Danj]

So I just did my Season 4 placements and streamed the whole thing, I went 9-1 and got placed at 1459, which is better than where I started last season.

Unfortunately OBS crashed a few minutes before the end so there's a couple minutes missing but other than that it's all there. 4 hours!

EDIT: Now on YouTube as well.

 

[Skii]

Haha they're all fucking nut jobs on there. 52 pages of DVa mains losing their shit. Unreal.

 

[AbaFadi]

Haha they're all fucking nut jobs on there. 52 pages of DVa mains losing their shit. Unreal.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753576219

I laughed at this one

 

[DevilDog]

The problem with D.va is roadhog

 

[Garrett Hawke]

The problem with D.va is roadhog

Yes. Delete him

Also soldier

DVa is probably in a good place again now with the DM buff (when they fix it).

 

[MKIL65]

Haha they're all fucking nut jobs on there. 52 pages of DVa mains losing their shit. Unreal.

Hope she stays the same. Maybe people should focus on protecting their teammates instead of going for kills.

 

[Anne]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753576219

I laughed at this one

Somebody in that thread says Blizzard is gaslighting D.Va players and I'm just dying laughing.

I even learned while on Bnet a lot of people consider McCree to be unplayable too. Is this where all these awful ideas spread into my QP games?

 

[Skii]

Just going through that thread, some of the highest rated posts insist that Genji is a counter to DVa (lmfao), Reaper countered pre-nerf DVa, Widow can currently 1v1 DVa, Reinhardt counters DVa... I just can't stop laughing. I genuinely don't understand what tier they're playing at where that happens.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753576219

I laughed at this one

Lol they've created a DVa challenge. I'm done.

Hope she stays the same. Maybe people should focus on protecting their teammates instead of going for kills.

Yeah they can't conceive that a tank is supposed to defend its healers/DPS and create space. They just DVa to be able to 1v1 everything and survive every situation because they are terrible at the game.

 

[pizzacat]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753485708?page=2#post-22

D.va main tears. Confirmation she'll never be a walking terror again.

Im ok with this

I've been able to get results with her since day one

 

[JHall]

The salty tears of D.VA mains make me smile.

 

[Dead Prince]

omg. the house i'm staying at has some terrible ping. 400+. my phone tether is actually playable LMFAO wtf. what's the average data for a match though? i have a limit.

 

[buy teh haloz]

Problem with D.Va now is people always want you to run Roadhog or Zarya instead. It's harder to play her now that the triple meta has fallen out of favor.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Which is dumb because triple tank and dva is still viable.

It's just not the be all and end all.

Though bad Dva players still irk me because they just keep diving and don't bother tanking.

 

[FieryBalrog]

I saw a ton of DVA in tournaments this week. Compared to 50% of the cast she's absolutely fine.

She's not just an easy mode soloQ bully anymore who ruined the tournament meta.

 

[FieryBalrog]

No idea what the PC situation is, but Bastion seems utterly broken on console. A good player with him, can run the entire match on Payload. Especially coupled with a good Bastion / D.Va to soak up damage for him

He's already been nerfed again (hotfix is live already). Dies in one pulse bomb as a turret.

Ironclad is now 20% and overall DR is capped at 50%.

 

[Data West]

I don't get why people always complain about Reinhardt and how he's too core to the game when Zarya is the exact same way and has been that way since beta

 

[Rickenslacker]

I don't get why people always complain about Reinhardt and how he's too core to the game when Zarya is the exact same way and has been that way since beta

Unlike Reinhardt they're actually willing to tweak Zarya for starters, and she's more a supplement to Reinhardt than a core facet that can replace him. It's often a case of Reinhardt + other tank(s), not otherwise.

And personally, it's getting boring af to play around him all the time.

 

[Data West]

Unlike Reinhardt they're actually willing to tweak Zarya for starters, and she's more a supplement to Reinhardt than a core facet that can replace him. It's often a case of Reinhardt + other tank(s), not otherwise.

And personally, it's getting boring af to play around him all the time.

The way they tweak Zarya isn't the reason she's mandatory. They don't touch her barrier CD or the life saving potential of i or its completely exclusive purging ability t which is why she's just as key

 

[DevilDog]

Sorry, let me rephrase:

The problem with Overwatch is Roadhog.
Thank god Mccree is out of the meta and I don't have to deal with his stupid skilless flashbang.

The way they tweak Zarya isn't the reason she's mandatory. They don't touch her barrier CD or the life saving potential of i or its completely exclusive purging ability t which is why she's just as key

Zarya is mandatory? Each team needs 2 tanks and Rein/Road/Zarya are all extremely good.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Maybe it's just me being boring but I just kinda like what reinhardt brings to the game. Also without him it's just dive all the time.

People knock on reinhardt, but the time when winston became a higher pick than rein (during the 50% discord meta) was honestly kinda boring for me.

 

[Data West]

Zarya is mandatory? Each team needs 2 tanks and Rein/Road/Zarya are all extremely good.

Hell, you used to see Zarya more than Reinhard just because most teams weren't running Rein for a long time in KOTH pre-Ana buff

 

[Ambient80]

I don't get why people always complain about Reinhardt and how he's too core to the game when Zarya is the exact same way and has been that way since beta

Because Zarya is bae. 💪❤️

 

[pizzacat]

👀

 

[Rickenslacker]

The way they tweak Zarya isn't the reason she's mandatory. They don't touch her barrier CD or the life saving potential of i or its completely exclusive purging ability t which is why she's just as key

She's not as key though, as I said it's Reinhardt + other tank(s), Zarya is super good but she's still a supplement next to him. Saving one person with a two second barrier on an 8 second CD is a far cry from having an ever-present group barrier that starts regenerating after two seconds.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Again though really, the best way to balance him is to make different comps viable.

Like look at the last alienware monthly melee. It's like 80% winston and 20% rein.

 

[DevilDog]

Unlike Reinhardt they're actually willing to tweak Zarya for starters, and she's more a supplement to Reinhardt than a core facet that can replace him. It's often a case of Reinhardt + other tank(s), not otherwise.

And personally, it's getting boring af to play around him all the time.

She's not as key though, as I said it's Reinhardt + other tank(s), Zarya is super good but she's still a supplement next to him. Saving one person with a two second barrier on an 8 second CD is a far cry from having an ever-present group barrier that starts regenerating after two seconds.

Two things are going on here:

The maps aren't well enough made to support a reindhartless meta, unless it's KOTH where the flow of battle is centered around 3 points, so it's easy for Blizzard to build the maps around them.

Reindhart's shield, is the only thing keeping the floodgates of crap that are hidden, or not, inside overwatch. And this is for the highest competitive tier, just to be clear.

Mcrees and widowmakers don't miss, hanzo can spam arrows and scatters till he gets a bullshit kill, roadhog can just spam his hook and pharah/junkrat can spam the places that you can hide inside, making it an RNG nighmare to peek.

 

[Data West]

'bullshit kills'

oh your'e one of those

 

[Skii]

It's really difficult to touch Rein because he's the hero most dependant on his abilities. That's why he's the prime hack target because he's just a sitting duck without his shield and gets melted immediately. His fire strike and charge are nowhere near OP and although shatter is a very good ultimate, it still whiffs a lot of times and is quite inconsistent for the Reinhardt player.

You touch Reins shield and he becomes terrible imo. The only way to fix this is potentially Orisa who provides another option for the "anchor tank" or to create or mend a hero to break shields quickly.

Without any buffs/nerfs, maybe in a years time there would be a healthy split between Winston and Reinhardt pick rate because normal players are more competent and confident at coordinating dive attacks. Reinhardt is just a good default main tank because you just stand behind him and don't really need to pay attention to his interactions with the enemy unless you're a healer.

 

[DevilDog]

'bullshit kills'

oh your'e one of those

I don't know how you got that idea, but I'm not in the esports scene.

 

[Rickenslacker]

Two things are going on here:

The maps aren't well enough made to support a reindhartless meta, unless it's KOTH where the flow of battle is centered around 3 points, so it's easy for Blizzard to build the maps around them.

Reindhart's shield, is the only thing keeping the floodgates of crap that are hidden, or not, inside overwatch. And this is for the highest competitive tier, just to be clear.

Mcrees and widowmakers don't miss, hanzo can spam arrows and scatters till he gets a bullshit kill, roadhog can just spam his hook and pharah/junkrat can spam the places that you can hide inside, making it an RNG nighmare to peek.

In this scenario with a lack of Reinhardt, something to also consider is the lack of a defending Reinhardt as well and what that does for making advances, and the utility of the other tanks to make for sudden defensive measures. Zarya loves spam, D.Va eats it up, and Winston can still be the disruptor. CP is still choked to a point of strangulation though, but eh, the mode sucks either way.

 

[Newtype-001]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753576219

I laughed at this one

Got abit of 2nd hand embarrassment

 

[Apathy]

The issue with dva mains is that a vast majority of them, specially on the official forums, can't even admit that she was broken with 400 armor. They rally thought that she was fine and some though she was underpowered. They thought 1v2 or 1v3 was OK. They never could see how the character was what brought them victories and not their skill.

Now when she's toned down a bit, they want to keep playing her as a bully. When that fails they don't want to admit it or change play styles. I guarantee that if we were to get videos of people playing dva in comp that say she is underpowered, we would get people going hyper aggressive with no thought about what's really going on.

Last nights stream, moonmoon was playing mostly dva and doing very well.

 

[Antiwhippy]

In this scenario with a lack of Reinhardt, something to also consider is the lack of a defending Reinhardt as well and what that does for making advances, and the utility of the other tanks to make for sudden defensive measures. Zarya loves spam, D.Va eats it up, and Winston can still be the disruptor. CP is still choked to a point of strangulation though, but eh, the mode sucks either way.

Then overwatch might as well be team deathmatch really, less mobile heroes are pretty much useless, and positioning means nothing.

 

[ISOM]

Those D.Va mains are now complaining that they want Defense matrix to last longer. Yeah having an unbreakable shield that absorbs damage now last longer will be good for the game. They can get the hell out of here with that.