Pach-Attack: E3 Nintendo Assumptions.

EmCeeGramr said:
Like, there's a million ways to criticize Nintendo's handling of press, but I've never understood this arbitrary line in the sand drawn between a corporate charade streamed online and liveblogged by journalists where PR people and executives show carefully crafted videos and announcements of their message, and that exact same thing but there's a white background sometimes and no fanboy screaming in the back.
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Because gamers hate change, basically.
It's new and different.

Oh, but let's ignore the fact that E3, for most of its existence, was never even seen by the public and that the conferences are a very recent thing that gamers actually get to see.

It's mind boggling.

Nintendo is streamlining their game announcements. Less fluff and filler. More games. And that's seen as a bad thing.
 
For balance's sake I'm just gonna post what a few of his statements here. This is easily one of his more reasonable videos (that I've seen anyways).

-thinks Mario Kart 8 is doing well and thinks it's good**
-continues believing that Nintendo fans are "not voting with their wallets".
-thinks that despite Nintendo's wealth of IPs that Iwata presenting them is standard fare, thus it might NOT being fun for NIntendo fans
-thinks 3DS is doing well, despite not keeping up with DS**

**methinks people are voting with their wallets. You can have a 3DS and be a Nintendo fan. You can buy a lot of games for that one platform, or you can buy Nintendo's 2nd platform and continue buying games for both. Most recently, we've seen people that were just waiting for a game like Mario Kart.

I don't have a Wii U yet because I kept buying Wii and DS games until the very end. I could've kept doing that, but then I said "Fuck it, I'm getting a 3DS now." So I plan on getting a Wii U by the end of this year.

Hell, you don't need a Wii U to play Smash Bros. and I'll probably end up getting both versions anyways.
 
Riki said:
Because gamers hate change, basically.
It's new and different.

Oh, but let's ignore the fact that E3, for most of its existence, was never even seen by the public and that the conferences are a very recent thing that gamers actually get to see.

It's mind boggling.

Nintendo is streamlining their game announcements. Less fluff and filler. More games. And that's seen as a bad thing.
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It's seen as a bad thing because the majority of the gaming press spoke out against Nintendo when they finally decided that the ego-stroking of gaming journalists was unnecessary.
 
BY2K said:
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/djvi6v/pach-attack--nintendo-e3-assumptions-

And WOW does he just lashes at Nintendo, their Directs, and the fans. Just WOW.
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Luigi doesn't care.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Like, there's a million ways to criticize Nintendo's handling of press, but I've never understood this arbitrary line in the sand drawn between a corporate charade streamed online and liveblogged by journalists where PR people and executives show carefully crafted videos and announcements of their marketing message, and that exact same thing but there's a white background sometimes and no fanboy screaming in the back.
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One gives those journalists and bloggers an inflated sense of self worth. One does not.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Like, there's a million ways to criticize Nintendo's handling of press, but I've never understood this arbitrary line in the sand drawn between a corporate charade streamed online and liveblogged by journalists where PR people and executives show carefully crafted videos and announcements of their marketing message, and that exact same thing but there's a white background sometimes and no fanboy screaming in the back.
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Press conferences are important for mainstream media, I think. It gives everything a much bigger sense of gravity and importance.

Consider E3 2013. If you just work the games beat for USA Today or something, and an entire theater full of people stands up and cheers for a "No DRM" announcement you're probably going to look into making that a story. Would you have done that if it was just a bullet point in a press packet? Would you have even gotten the indication that was a big deal? Most people tend to believe that the biggest factor in Microsoft's 180 was that the "no used games" thing began to leak in to the mainstream press.
 
Riki said:
Because gamers hate change, basically.
It's new and different.

Oh, but let's ignore the fact that E3, for most of its existence, was never even seen by the public and that the conferences are a very recent thing that gamers actually get to see.

It's mind boggling.

Nintendo is streamlining their game announcements. Less fluff and filler. More games. And that's seen as a bad thing.
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I want more flashy lights and less games god dammit!
 
Plinko said:
It's seen as a bad thing because the majority of the gaming press spoke out against Nintendo when they finally decided that the ego-stroking of gaming journalists was unnecessary.
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Which also baffles me.
Every day we get another click bait, half assed article from some wanna be journalists. The same people that rail against Nintendo not "giving them free concerts anymore so they automatically lose".
And gamers take their side?
I mean, seriously?

border said:
Press conferences are important for mainstream media, I think. It gives everything a much bigger sense of gravity and importance.

Consider E3 2013. If you just work the games beat for USA Today or something, and an entire theater full of people stands up and cheers for a "No DRM" announcement you're probably going to look into making that a story. Would you have done that if it was just a bullet point in a press packet? Would you have even gotten the indication that was a big deal? Most people tend to believe that the biggest factor in Microsoft's 180 was that the "no used games" thing began to leak in to the mainstream press.
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Something that happened long before E3 and would have happened without E3 regardless...
 
DrForester said:
I remember someone on a Spike TV roundtable (I honestly can't remember who) made a comment that Nintendo cares so little about E3 that Iwata couldn't even be bothered to show up. Despite the fact that at the end of the Direct, Iwata gave a tour of the E3 booth.
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Didn't know that happened, wow lol.

MisterHero said:
For balance's sake I'm just gonna post what a few of his statements here. This is easily one of his more reasonable videos (that I've seen anyways).

-thinks Mario Kart 8 is doing well and thinks it's good**
-continues believing that Nintendo fans are "not voting with their wallets".
-thinks that despite Nintendo's wealth of IPs that Iwata presenting them is standard fare, thus it might NOT being fun for NIntendo fans
-thinks 3DS is doing well, despite not keeping up with DS**

**methinks people are voting with their wallets. You can have a 3DS and be a Nintendo fan. You can buy a lot of games for that one platform, or you can buy Nintendo's 2nd platform and continue buying games for both. Most recently, we've seen people that were just waiting for a game like Mario Kart.

I don't have a Wii U yet because I kept buying Wii and DS games until the very end. I could've kept doing that, but then I said "Fuck it, I'm getting a 3DS now." So I plan on getting a Wii U by the end of this year.

Hell, you don't need a Wii U to play Smash Bros. and I'll probably end up getting both versions anyways.
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Pretty much agreed, it wasn't all trolling. What irritated me most was just... how uninformed he sounded about the Smash tourney, his claims about the Direct audience numbers (the obvious trolling/joking aside), and that sneaky port-beg he slipped in there yet again. :-p
 
GillyH said:
Every day people retrieve their news from e3 coverage, and the conferences is what attracts attention and being covered. A Nintendo Direct does not have nearly as much as an impact and actually substantially reflects Nintendo's position and their waning influence on the industry that they do not hold conferences no more. It's amazing how Nintendo fans do not see this.
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Everything that's being shown in the digital event will be put into a press conference specifically for the press. The same as last year. And the same as if they were doing a live presentation. The only difference? The public watches the digital event instead of the press conference. Amazing how you do not see this.

Your acting like MS and Sonys presentations ate public events. Theres nothing but press. The same press that will be at Nintendo's press conference.

Edit: also most news and information comes from the show floor. Your demos, impressions, developer q&a is all show floor stuff which Nintendo again is also doing.
 
"vote with your wallets"

I sort of did that. by not giving nintendo any more of my money. well, yes I suppose that counts as a vote against nintendo. who's with me! :D
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Like, there's a million ways to criticize Nintendo's handling of press, but I've never understood this arbitrary line in the sand drawn between a corporate charade streamed online and liveblogged by journalists where PR people and executives show carefully crafted videos and announcements of their marketing message, and that exact same thing but there's a white background sometimes and no fanboy screaming in the back.
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I think it is because Nintendo's approach to E3 really feels like it is going to be such a non-event. It's almost like they're saying: "we don't really have anything interesting to show this year, so here's another typical Nintendo Direct". I'm not saying that it will be like this, but it sure does feel so downplayed compared to what everyone else is doing. Sony on the other hand is trying to turn their E3 conference into such a huge grandiose even by playing this thing at local cinemas.

Nintendo's approach to E3 is like inviting your family over for Christmas (if you celebrate Christmas) and telling them that you are not going to be putting up any festive decorations or a tree, and nobody is permitted to give anybody else gifts. Or something like that.
 
He sounded pretty accurate to me. Of course big Nintendo fans will get really excited about the little details shared in Nintendo Directs, but most people are gonna look at those and say "so mario kart has a couple new items? who the fuck cares? why do we need a half hour event for such non news?" They do sometimes have great announcements, but usual not.

E3 "direct" will have Zelda, some shovelware, some begging you to believe they have 3rd party games, hopefully a surprise like Metroid, and that's probably all you'll get.

Y'all mad.
 
border said:
Press conferences are important for mainstream media, I think. It gives everything a much bigger sense of gravity and importance.

Consider E3 2013. If you just work the games beat for USA Today or something, and an entire theater full of people stands up and cheers for a "No DRM" announcement you're probably going to look into making that a story. Would you have done that if it was just a bullet point in a press packet? Would you have even gotten the indication that was a big deal? Most people tend to believe that the biggest factor in Microsoft's 180 was that the "no used games" thing began to leak in to the mainstream press.
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I agree that there are the super giant moments best suited for a physical huge theater conference, but... those kinds of moments really only happen at the start of a new hardware generation. Every other huge "we need press in seats right now" moment I can think of like the one you're describing has been a hardware reveal or blowout.
 
Pachter and Nintendo? Can't wait to get home from work to watch this.

Cause I usually agree with his thoughts on Nintendo...
 
He reminds me of my old abusive landlord with his voice and the slow pause between wording when it comes to talking about people's race.... it's like he's searching for another word instead of "Chinese-Americans."

Someone needs to tape him without his permission.. I bet he has some colorful terminology.

But yeah, he's just posting this to rile up some "internet hatred." Someone has to be "that person" now that we finally got rid of that stupid lawyer, Kohl is gone, and Leiberman is completely irrelevant.
 
First time watching Pach-Attack. Should have known from the name that this would be another tabloid outlet, but damn this guy could give Kuchera a run for his money It's also a shame that people supporting shows this quality.
 
MrCunningham said:
I think it is because Nintendo's approach to E3 really feels like it is going to be such a non-event. It's almost like they're saying: "we don't really have anything interesting to show this year, so here's another typical Nintendo Direct". I'm not saying that it will be like this, but it sure does feel so downplayed compared to what everyone else is doing. Sony on the other hand is trying to turn their E3 conference into such a huge grandiose even by playing this thing at local cinemas.

Nintendo's approach to E3 is like inviting your family over for Christmas (if you celebrate Christmas) and telling them that you are not going to be putting up any festive decorations or a tree, and nobody is permitted to give anybody else gifts. Or something like that.
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Besides the nearly hour long conference, they have:

20+ hours of developer interviews and hands on that will be live streamed during the whole of E3 right from the showroom floor.
A nearly 2 hour Smash Invitation where they've invited many well known Smash players and 3,000 fans.
Two hour and a half developer meetings (one for Smash and one for a new 3DS game).
And a Nintendo Minute directly after the press conference detailing all the new announcements.

Yes, such a non-event.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Journalists go to a Nintendo meeting at E3 where information and media are released and then they play demos of the games on the floor. It's pretty much a conference except they stand for 30 minutes instead of sit in a theater for an hour and a half.
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Yes, but as I said, it's impact is lesser than a conference. Journalists will dedicate less of their resources, time, and media coverage to the event, and the coverage is much less powerful with a Nintendo Direct than the 'wowness' of a conference and its presentations. This translates to how the general public consumes the content and reactions.

Lets just say one thing. Would it be better for Nintendo to hold a press conference? A resounding yes. I think the only reason Nintendo is not holding a press conference is simply they know they do not have as much content as Sony and Microsoft to present.
 
Servbot24 said:
He sounded pretty accurate to me. Of course big Nintendo fans will get really excited about the little details shared in Nintendo Directs, but most people are gonna look at those and say "so mario kart has a couple new items? who the fuck cares? why do we need a half hour event for such non news?" They do sometimes have great announcements, but usual not.

E3 "direct" will have Zelda, some shovelware, some begging you to believe they have 3rd party games, hopefully a surprise like Metroid, and that's probably all you'll get.

Y'all mad.
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Can I have your crystal ball please? They have some fairly big content planned, and some rather large hands-on time with all their games, much more than Sony and Microsoft are willing to show.
 
Rikkun said:
He doesn't need to. He's an analyst, not a gamer.
Also, having a tournament for an unreleased and maybe unfinished fighting game is a ridicolous idea.
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Why is it ridiculous? That's like saying demos being shown off at E3 for unreleased/unfinished games is a waste of time.
 
Based on the first couple of posts in this thread I was expecting him to give some sort of nasty verbal beatdown to Nintendo but it never came. Some of you are easily riled up.
 
One day gaming will get an actual analyst oh cares enough to do actual research before opening their mouth. Pachter is a character at this point. I doubt he even cares about this stuff, but it gets him a lot of attention.
 
HowZatOZ said:
Can I have your crystal ball please? They have some fairly big content planned, and some rather large hands-on time with all their games, much more than Sony and Microsoft are willing to show.
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Obviously anything can happen, just basing my sentiment on how underwhelming their last several shows have been.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Like, there's a million ways to criticize Nintendo's handling of press, but I've never understood this arbitrary line in the sand drawn between a corporate charade streamed online and liveblogged by journalists where PR people and executives show carefully crafted videos and announcements of their marketing message, and that exact same thing but there's a white background sometimes and no fanboy screaming in the back.
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Isn't it obvious? With one, Michael sits at his computer afterwards probably doing work. After the other, he gets serenaded by Adam Levine and has identity theft related shenanigans.

On a serious note, I don't get the hate for the digital events either. There is absolutely NO difference between them and live events, other than the venue and the fact that there won't be any awkward unscripted moments (looking at you Konami).
 
He's kind of right. The amount of people jumping to the Wii U's defense on the web is out of proportion with the amount of people who actually bought a Wii U so far.
 
Chinpoko_Master said:
Based on the first couple of posts in this thread I was expecting him to give some sort of nasty verbal beatdown to Nintendo but it never came. Some of you are easily riled up.
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I thought the same thing, but it makes sense that a lot of Nintendo fans would get steamed.

The WiiU isn't doing very well at all. There is a lot of negative press around the console, and Nintendo itself right now.

Pachter does say some dumb shit in the video, but I instantly recognized it as trolling.
Again, I remember PlayStation fans being the same way in the PS3 era. The level of defensiveness in this thread is normal imo.
 
They won't have a party with a Maroon 5 show?! Nintendo is doomed, confirmed.
 
Riki said:
Besides the nearly hour long conference, they have:

20+ hours of developer interviews and hands on that will be live streamed during the whole of E3 right from the showroom floor.
A nearly 2 hour Smash Invitation where they've invited many well known Smash players and 3,000 fans.
Two hour and a half developer meetings (one for Smash and one for a new 3DS game).
And a Nintendo Minute directly after the press conference detailing all the new announcements.

Yes, such a non-event.
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I should've said conference and not E3, because that is what I meant. But even still most of these things you mention feel like they are catering to their current install base and not using this opportunity to extend themselves out to a wider audience. Who really cares about 20+ hours of developer interviews outside of Nintendo fans? Or a Smash Bros. Invitational beyond their own dwindling user base?

I guess the Nintendo Minute thing is something, but it still kind of feels too downplayed to me.
 
henhowc said:
Didn't know smash was that popular. Personally don't know anyone who plays it. (Not that that anecdote means anything) just surprised when people are saying this is gonna be the hypest thing. Neat for the fans I guess.
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I know people who play next to no Nintendo games yet are hyped for Smash Bros and, to a lesser extent, Mario Kart

A great number of people who are this way
 
MDSLKTR said:
what is this I don't even
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His voice and manner of speaking sounds exactly like my old landlord. My old landlord, if no one was in the store, would launch into extremely racist commentary for no reason. I kind of wish I had taped some of it because it would have been nice to show some of the other tenants what he thought of them.

I'm not saying that Pachter is some sort of secret racist, just saying that he sounds exactly like the type of person who has some fairly.. antiquated terms for other people rumbling around in his head that no one in polite society should use.
 
Servbot24 said:
Obviously anything can happen, just basing my sentiment on how underwhelming their last several shows have been.
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Wait, if we're basing this off past showings then Sony and MSFT aren't in the same league as Nintendo. Who has spent 30 minutes every other month for the past year giving us information on new games before, during and after E3s? Who gave us E3 demos, and multiple preview events around the country during the year? All we get out of MSFT and Sony are tidbits and leaks, usually when it's already been forced into the open. Some companies won't even tell us willingly who is working on the games we're already supposed to be pre-ordering, do you have high hopes for them?
 
roknin said:
Pretty much agreed, it wasn't all trolling. What irritated me most was just... how uninformed he sounded about the Smash tourney, his claims about the Direct audience numbers (the obvious trolling/joking aside), and that sneaky port-beg he slipped in there yet again. :-p
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Lol the Smash Bros. commentary would've been sad if there wasn't someone to correct him. Just goes to show punditry isn't always valuable.
 
MrCunningham said:
I should've said conference and not E3, because that is what I meant. But even still most of these things you mention feel like they are catering to their current install base and not using this opportunity to extend themselves out to a wider audience. Who really cares about 20+ hours of developer interviews outside of Nintendo fans? Or a Smash Bros. Invitational beyond their own dwindling user base?

I guess the Nintendo Minute thing is something, but it still kind of feels too downplayed to me.
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Couldn't you apply that logic to any presentation that's going on for the live streams of games during E3? Everything going on there is pretty much entirely for the enthusiast, and the mainstream audience isn't really going to care about any of these games until the ads are on TV and the marketing materials are in the stores they frequent.
 
meanspartan said:
He's kind of right. The amount of people jumping to the Wii U's defense on the web is out of proportion with the amount of people who actually bought a Wii U so far.
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You mean the fraction of people in a thread on a forum in the corner of the internet?
 
Hatchtag said:
If it's like last year (which is a somewhat big if), there'll be two huge differences:
1) Microsoft's can be watched nearly seemlessly on TV
2) Microsoft's will be actually watchable while Ninty's will be a laggy, barely viewable mess.
Although, I'll give Ninty the benefit of the doubt that it'll work well this year. But, because of how poorly last years was (it literally froze after the Smash logo and skipped to an image of Megaman for me), I am somewhat concerned that their stream this year will be just as unviewable. And that does make it a lot different from M$, since there's different videos and streams and sources to watch it from, versus one source with Ninty.
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Just don't use the UStream stream. The Youtube streams they've been putting up have been flawless, alongside the fact that the Digital Event will be on Twitch
 
I can't believe that some press are still complaining about directs, over a year ago many press predicted that the direct and it equivalent will fail, but in the contrary it's getting a lot of attention. Mario Kart 8 was introduced through last year E3 direct and sold well world wide. In fact it worked so well for Nintendo that they have multiple shows this time.
 
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