OneEyeTwoHead
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1. Michael Pachter is awesome.
2. Michael Pachter doesn't give a fuck what people say.
3. He doesn't get paid a dime to do the show.
4. See numbers 1 and 2.
Pach-Attack: E3 Nintendo Assumptions.
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1. Michael Pachter is awesome.
2. Michael Pachter doesn't give a fuck what people say.
3. He doesn't get paid a dime to do the show.
4. See numbers 1 and 2.
The few hundred people at those conferences will go to them and then put content from the conference in popular mainstream media that normally doesn't have games coverage. Then that content will be seen by people who don't know what the fuck a "Nintendo Direct" is and can't be bothered to find out. That's largely the point of the press conferences.
Whether or not it's worth all the hoopla just to get mainstream press coverage is perhaps another issue.
IncandescentPrecept
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Neogaf is made up mostly of PC and Nintendo fans but you have to realise that it is not representative of the gaming market.
The problem is not sound criticizing on Nintedo or valid claims or data/fact-driven assumptions. The problem IS the pattern. Most stuff from main stream media regarding Nitendo is backlash. They will always find some sort of an excuse to put a sentationalist thread-name to tell you the "You killed Kenny" joke for the 100th time. From Mario Kart 8's whiteness to Mario Kart 8: The worst selling game they will always make sure to add some twitch to personally attack Nitendo for the lolz.
Shitting on Nintedo this year is the kool-aid.
OneEyeTwoHead
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Well number 3 is irrefutably true..so maybe 1,2, and 4 nope in your eyes?
DICKS AHOY
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It's not like Patcher gets paid for any of this so I never get why some people get that worked up about his opinions, but you can clearly tell he doesn't give remotely give a shit about Nintendo anymore when he starts trying to list off IP's or talking about Smash.
How is showcasing Brawl, a game from six years ago, far more logical than SSB4 which is probably going to go gold within the next few months? I swear it's not the first time there's been a tightly-controlled tourney for an up-and-coming fighting game either. It's probably going to be the best advertising Nintendo gets at E3.
I don't mind that he doesn't care about the company anymore or feels they're incompetently run, but hearing him try to articulate why in a game/franchise-sense is just cringe inducing. Like when he talked about RTS's or the PS3 being more powerful than a PC, it's the sort of thing he should avoid bringing up because you can immediately tell he's out of his element.
How is showcasing Brawl, a game from six years ago, far more logical than SSB4 which is probably going to go gold within the next few months? I swear it's not the first time there's been a tightly-controlled tourney for an up-and-coming fighting game either. It's probably going to be the best advertising Nintendo gets at E3.
I don't mind that he doesn't care about the company anymore or feels they're incompetently run, but hearing him try to articulate why in a game/franchise-sense is just cringe inducing. Like when he talked about RTS's or the PS3 being more powerful than a PC, it's the sort of thing he should avoid bringing up because you can immediately tell he's out of his element.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
How many Nintendo fans does it take to fill a NeoGAF thread? A couple hundred? The WiiU has sold 6+ million units LTD. The hardcore Nintendo fans probably do mostly own a WiiU and buy games on it.
The people that need to buy WiiUs aren't the hardcore inner circle that have been fans since the NES or N64. They need to get the broader gaming population to buy it.
Isn't Nintendo holding press events for those people?
MisterGrey3000
Member
Is the viewership fairly consistent? I don't watch it so I've no clue.
Bobby_Sullivan
Neo Member
They don't have Maroon 5 at events anymore...national tragedy.
If it's like last year (which is a somewhat big if), there'll be two huge differences:
1) Microsoft's can be watched nearly seemlessly on TV
2) Microsoft's will be actually watchable while Ninty's will be a laggy, barely viewable mess.
Although, I'll give Ninty the benefit of the doubt that it'll work well this year. But, because of how poorly last years was (it literally froze after the Smash logo and skipped to an image of Megaman for me), I am somewhat concerned that their stream this year will be just as unviewable. And that does make it a lot different from M$, since there's different videos and streams and sources to watch it from, versus one source with Ninty.
It is a problem within the western media, something I do see quite often. People want Nintendo to stroke their ego because hey gamez journalism and its not so they'll throw some tantrum to get their way. Its basically "hey, you aren't being nice to me so looks like I'll give you a 4."
El-Pistolero
Member
I find nothing remotely controversial about what he said. It is going to be an event for the fans of Nintendo, mainly, with X, Bayonetta2, Super Smash and the awaited Zelda reveal...
Still, that combo : X, Bayonetta and Zelda is worth the price of admission. Nintendo have become specialized in conceiving, producing and selling indispensable secondary consoles.
Still, that combo : X, Bayonetta and Zelda is worth the price of admission. Nintendo have become specialized in conceiving, producing and selling indispensable secondary consoles.
If it's like last year, yes. There will still be a press conference just for the press.
1. And yet Sony's "conference" was bigger than Microsofts.
2. This year will be streamed on four different sites at once. There will be no lag.
foxuzamaki
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1000 Branches
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lol, this is just sad now.
I think Pachter is actually pretty good at games analysis as long as it does not concern Nintendo. it's only when Nintendo enters the pictures that for some reason, he seems to become hilariously ineffective.
I think Pachter is actually pretty good at games analysis as long as it does not concern Nintendo. it's only when Nintendo enters the pictures that for some reason, he seems to become hilariously ineffective.
Nintendo is using Youtube and Twitch to stream this year so I would expect it to be better than last year.
Smash Direct: 1.4 Million views
Tomodachi and Mario Kart 8 Directs: About 650k-700k views.
E3 2013 Direct: 1.7 Million views.
January 2013 Direct: Above 650k views.
It's not constant. And those are Youtube views from the Nintendo NA/English channel.
OneEyeTwoHead
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If anything you said was true, he'd be out of a job. I mean, he's not an insider working at one of the big 3. He's a stock guy, and he obviously knows his shit. His "wrongs" get way more play here than his "rights".
Opinionatedfish
Member
I miss all the free food, hookers, and money that everyone used to give the press at E3. Too many companies are realizing that buying our love with fancy parties, alcohol, and electronic dance music isn't producing results. Damn it.
At least I have these Doritos. They are so crunchy and taste like real cheese.
At least I have these Doritos. They are so crunchy and taste like real cheese.
You can also watch Direct on Nintendo's website and eShop in addition to youtube, therefore there is no way to track the total views a single Direct accumulates.
Hip Hop
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Lord Azrael
Member
Why is Pachter so uninformed? Why doesn't he know the details on the Smash invitational? Why doesn't he know the game will be playable at Best Buy? Why doesn't he know Nintendo will be debuting its NFC initiative? Why doesn't he seem to know of the already announced games that will likely make an E3 appearance?
For god's sake, this man is in such a great position to actually discuss projections of Nintendo's new business ventures yet all he does is waste time with childish quips and outdated notions.
For god's sake, this man is in such a great position to actually discuss projections of Nintendo's new business ventures yet all he does is waste time with childish quips and outdated notions.
SwiftDeath
Member
It's funny that Pachter's probably most important claims to pay attention to in this segment have been fairly ignored'
He expects MK8
I think that 5M might be a tad low although with it's current install base I guess it's impossible for it to sell 10M+ anyways but overall he seems fairly optimistic on its performance I think given Wii U's relative performance
He expects MK8
- To move around 1.5M Wii U's
- To sell around 5M
I think that 5M might be a tad low although with it's current install base I guess it's impossible for it to sell 10M+ anyways but overall he seems fairly optimistic on its performance I think given Wii U's relative performance
MrNyarlathotep
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I would be amazed if his public proclamations bear any relation at all to his actual purchased analysis from clients.
And he might not be an insider working for the big 3, but the company he works for does own nearly a quarter of a million shares in Microsoft.
That happened?
Smiles and Cries
Member
Pachter is sitting somewhere laughing his ass off seriously the dude just talked that shit, and I also did not take the bullshit that he thought the Old Smash Bros game was the one being played at the Invitational
He may not get paid to sit and talk about this on Gametrailers but I bet he is enjoying this troll
We throw a fit when there's a hint of impropriety with Games Journalism, but this still flies? I'm not saying he's paid off to talk trash about Nintendo, but it would never be in his best interest to talk them up if he's tied to that much Microsoft stock. How come this is the first I've heard of this? I mean, Polygon gets crap all day long for their connections to Microsoft, why doesn't Pachter?
Every day people retrieve their news from e3 coverage, and the conferences is what attracts attention and being covered. A Nintendo Direct does not have nearly as much as an impact and actually substantially reflects Nintendo's position and their waning influence on the industry that they do not hold conferences no more. It's amazing how Nintendo fans do not see this.
EmCeeGramr
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Journalists go to a Nintendo meeting at E3 where information and media are released and then they play demos of the games on the floor. It's pretty much a conference except they stand for 30 minutes instead of sit in a theater for an hour and a half.
DrForester
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I remember someone on a Spike TV roundtable (I honestly can't remember who) made a comment that Nintendo cares so little about E3 that Iwata couldn't even be bothered to show up. Despite the fact that at the end of the Direct, Iwata gave a tour of the E3 booth.
spyroflame0487
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I think everyone kind of ignored him and then he kind of laid off the Nintendo bashing (and moved on to Xbone stuff)
I think it'd probably be wise to do the same.
I think it'd probably be wise to do the same.
Michael Pachter and Ben Kuchera walk into the Nintendo World Store......
Wouldn't that be conflict of interest?
Shhh. No they don't. Nintendo doesn't even know what E3 is.
I just don't understand how people can believe this shit.
Nintendo is still at E3.
Nintendo still gives out press information directly to the press.
Nintendo still explains and demonstrates games to the press.
The only difference is the delivery method to the fans.
And even that isn't very different. We're getting it streamed from the same places everyone else is doing.
All of the big name sites with have coverage lol.
Nintendo needs a laugh track.
How well the Xbox performs has almost nothing to do with Microsoft's share price. The console contributes very little to their bottom line. Making a few jokes about Nintendo's tepid E3 showings aren't going to turn anyone any extra money.
The more likely explanation is that Pachter just doesn't give a crap about Nintendo because it isn't one of the companies he's paid to track.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Like, there's a million ways to criticize Nintendo's handling of press, but I've never understood this arbitrary line in the sand drawn between a corporate charade streamed online and liveblogged by journalists where PR people and executives show carefully crafted videos and announcements of their marketing message, and that exact same thing but there's a white background sometimes and no fanboy screaming in the back.
It is amazing how uninformed some of you on here are about Nintendo at E3. They are still having a conference, just for the press. I'll post up Nintendo news because I'll be fed it from our guys in the room, so sites won't have an "excuse" for not showing Nintendo items.
Also the public does largely ignore E3 unless its something big like a console announcement. They'll wait a few days until after when people are reporting on the bigger items like prices or the big big titles. They won't be sitting at their chairs eagerly counting down the timer for the stream to happen. They want summaries, not full blown coverage of a conference and so Nintendo's methods are just as valid.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I don't see an issue the guy is not a game journalist
he is given free attention and spreads his name around, it is good for the business he does
calling him out on that point does not change the fact that someone gave him access to a major gaming website where he is free to talk about anything he wishes
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