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[Hammer24]

Coming off the back of the Gamecube, surely the Wii launch is redundant?

Word of mouth was the key to the success for Nintendo.

Coming off the back of the RROD, surely the Kinect launch is redundant?

Word of mouth is the key to the success for MS. ;-)

 

[NemesisPrime]

05 (03) WII Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft)
18 (23) WII Just Dance (Ubisoft)
20 (12) 360 Dance Central (Microsoft)

07 (17) WII Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
12 (04) 360 Kinect Sports (Microsoft)
26 (13) 360 Motion Sports (Ubisoft)


Appears like Nintendo could repel Sony's and MS' first motion control offense.

Not that hard with an install base that is 10 times bigger.

 

[slaughterking]

Sports Resort and Just Dance are both over one year old, with the latter being the predecessor of a current Top 10 game. I'm sure this is by no means "easy" either.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Sports Resort and Just Dance are both over one year old, with the latter being the predecessor of a current Top 10 game. I'm sure this is by no means "easy" either.

Indeed :lol

It's also worth noting that WSR is almost certainly bouncing back up because of the bundle, so it's selling to the same people Sony and Microsoft are after, not just to the existing Wii userbase.

 

[Dabanton]

Glad some sanity has been injected back into the thread with those early Wii numbers.

 

[dolemite]

Nintendo Quarterly results that showed PS3 sales double in Europe after Move launch?
Yeah I know, life sucks
:lol

FIFA11, not Move. Big difference.

 

[KingDizzi]

PS3 is behind 360 is all of the multiplat titles this week, 360 sales must be strong. Well GT5 week has finally come and there is not a single advert in sight at least here in the UK. It's still going to be number 1 next week however not exactly "OMG" numbers, if past GT games are anything to go by though their first weeks are good and then it has big legs. Remains to be seen if it can replicate what Forza 3 did last year, the install base and general sales in the UK tell me no.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

So did people expect all of the Kinect launch games to outsell CoD and Assassins Creed? Because that sounds like an impossible standard to measure success by. Several launch games charted in every territory in last weeks thread, despite going up against the biggest product launch in the history of gaming. Some perspective is advisable.

For existing 360 owners buying just the sensor, NFS, AC, and Blops may be a bigger priority than immediately padding their Kinect library, given that it comes with a game and several demos. Dance Central certainly has its work cut out for it to approach the success of Just Dance.

 

[Hammer24]

We can keep an overview:

Wii´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 49-52 2006, number denotes chart spot)
Twilight Princess - 5 - 12 - 11 - out
Wii Play (Free with controller) - 9 - 30 - 36 - out
Red Steel - 19 - out - 34 - out
Raving Rabbids - 30 - out - 32 - 32

Kinect´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 46-49 2010, number denotes chart spot)
Kinect Sports - 4 - 12 -
Dance Central - 12 - 20 -
Motion Sports - 13 - 26 -
Fighters Uncaged - 23 - out -
KINECTIMALS - 26 - out -
KINECT Joy Ride - 30 - out -
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved - 33 - out -
Sonic Free Riders - 38 - out -

 

[swerve]

So did people expect all of the Kinect launch games to outsell CoD and Assassins Creed?

It's hard to know without the hardware sales, but perhaps 'Wii Fit' has set a sort of precedent in peoples minds. Like many have said, it's a shame that Kinect is not 'game+hardware' because we lose that comparison, and in turn that sort of hurts the impression created by Kinect on the charts.

 

[Psychotext]

Nice one Hammer24. That saves some weekly effort!

On a related note, a real shame to see Kinectimals gone when Motion Sports and Fitness Evolved are still in there.

 

[Hammer24]

On a related note, a real shame to see Kinectimals gone when Motion Sports and Fitness Evolved are still in there.

I could imagine a return closer to x-mas.

 

[slaughterking]

We can keep an overview:

Not that I think this is a particularly meaningful comparison, but you should at least compare All Formats chart with All Formats chart and maybe add Move to the mix.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

We can keep an overview SNIP

Nice one - although it's worth noting that Wii Play isn't "free with controller", it was a pack-in title with the Remote available for a higher RRP than the Remote alone. The more interesting point with that particular title was - IIRC - its resurgence and long legs in 2007, which aren't reflected here.

 

[Psychotext]

Nice one - although it's worth noting that Wii Play isn't "free with controller", it was a pack-in title with the Remote available for a higher RRP than the Remote alone. The more interesting point with that particular title was - IIRC - its resurgence and long legs in 2007, which aren't reflected here.

Not in the UK at launch time it wasn't... simply because you couldn't buy a controller without Wii Play at the time. Though "bundled with controller" is probably fairer as you couldn't buy it standalone at the time either.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Not in the UK at launch time it wasn't... simply because you couldn't buy a controller without Wii Play at the time.

Well, that's not entirely true - I don't recall having issues getting extra Remotes initially, but post-Christmas and into early 2007 they vanished and Wii Play became about the only way to get a Remote for a while (which I would expect largely explains its resurgence). I don't recall any retailers selling the Wii Play pack for anything like the standalone price, though - I had to try and track one down in mid-2007 for my stepdaughter, and she paid over the list price of the Wii Remote for it.

 

[spwolf]

FIFA11, not Move. Big difference.

uhm what? certainly Fifa didnt double PS3 sales across Europe while it left 360 sales flat.

 

[Psychotext]

Well, that's not entirely true - I don't recall having issues getting extra Remotes initially, but post-Christmas and into early 2007 they vanished and Wii Play became about the only way to get a Remote for a while (which I would expect largely explains its resurgence).

Maybe it was different around the country then. I certainly couldn't get one without it, which really annoyed me because I needed four controllers... and ended up with 2 spare copies of a rather shitty game.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Well, that's not entirely true - I don't recall having issues getting extra Remotes initially, but post-Christmas and into early 2007 they vanished and Wii Play became about the only way to get a Remote for a while (which I would expect largely explains its resurgence). I don't recall any retailers selling the Wii Play pack for anything like the standalone price, though - I had to try and track one down in mid-2007 for my stepdaughter, and she paid over the list price of the Wii Remote for it.

Wii Play kept popping into the top 5 every time new stock arrived.
It's a bit pointless to compare Wii and Kinect launches as they may both be stock constrained, Wii certainly was.
If you compared it with Wii Fit would be a lot less favourable (Top, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd) But hey, that might be the case for Kinect Adventures for all we know.

 

[Hammer24]

Not that I think this is a particularly meaningful comparison, but you should at least compare All Formats chart with All Formats chart...

You are right of course, I´ll change it.

and maybe add Move to the mix.

The only exclusive I´m aware of is Sports Champion, will add. (Please point me to more, if there are).


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Wii´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 49-52 2006, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Twilight Princess - 5 - 12 - 11 - out
Wii Play - 9 - 30 - 36 - out
Red Steel - 19 - out - 34 - out
Raving Rabbids - 30 - out - 32 - 32

Kinect´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 46-49 2010, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Kinect Sports - 4 - 9 -
Dance Central - 13 - 25 -
Motion Sports - 15 - 33 -
Fighters Uncaged - 23 - 39 -
KINECTIMALS - 26 - out -
KINECT Joy Ride - 30 - out -
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved - 33 - out -
Sonic Free Riders - 38 - out -

Move´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 37-40 2010, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Sports Champion - 2 - 5 - 7 - 15

 

[Psychotext]

I see you edited, but yeah, that was me, not Chart Track.

Oh, and...

29 (__) PS3 Start The Party! (Sony Computer Ent.)
32 (__) PS3 Racket Sports (Ubisoft)

(All formats)

 

[slaughterking]

(Please point me to more, if there are).

Start the Party and Racket Sports.

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index....p&ct=110015&arch=t&lyr=2010&year=2010&week=37

 

[Elios83]

Expected big drop for Kinect software this week.
Good start for Assassin's Creed. Looking forward to see GT5 performance next monday.

 

[Hammer24]

OK, this brings us to:

-----------------------------------------------------------

Wii´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 49-52 2006, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Twilight Princess - 5 - 12 - 11 - out
Wii Play - 9 - 30 - 36 - out
Red Steel - 19 - out - 34 - out
Raving Rabbids - 30 - out - 32 - 32

Kinect´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 46-49 2010, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Kinect Sports - 4 - 9 -
Dance Central - 13 - 25 -
Motion Sports - 15 - 33 -
Fighters Uncaged - 23 - 39 -
KINECTIMALS - 26 - out -
KINECT Joy Ride - 30 - out -
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved - 33 - out -
Sonic Free Riders - 38 - out -

Move´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 37-40 2010, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Sports Champion - 2 - 5 - 7 - 15
Start The Party! - 29 - 24 - 40 - out
Racket Sports - 32 - 22 - 39 - out

 

[dolemite]

uhm what? certainly Fifa didnt double PS3 sales across Europe while it left 360 sales flat.

There was a 360 bump at the same time, it simply got dwarfed by the PS3's:lol

 

[Psychotext]

Talking of which, anyone got a link to that thread? I can't find it.

 

[Spiegel]

Talking of which, anyone got a link to that thread? I can't find it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=411568

 

[CozMick]

Expected big drop for Kinect software this week.
Good start for Assassin's Creed. Looking forward to see GT5 performance next monday.

If GT5 doesnt enter at number 1 next week then Sony deserve to be strung up by there manly bits.

The marketing has been an absolute shambles.

 

[Windom Earle]

Glad about the poor Kinect numbers. Devs will take note!

 

[Psychotext]

Glad about the poor Kinect numbers. Devs will take note!

Someone didn't read the thread.

If GT5 doesnt enter at number 1 next week then Sony deserve to be strung up by there manly bits.

The marketing has been an absolute shambles.

GT5 will be number 1, no question.

 

[Elios83]

If GT5 doesnt enter at number 1 next week then Sony deserve to be strung up by there manly bits.

The marketing has been an absolute shambles.

I'd keep that doubt for the US market (GT5 in a single week won't beat a full month of COD in the next NPD numbers, just to make an example), GT5 seems like the game to get this holyday season in Europe. But we'll see how it performs

 

[dolemite]

Move gave a small "shoulder" to the PS3 at the same time as the Halo spike but two weeks later FIFA11 released and then :lol :lol :lol . The 360 also had a small tummy.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

If GT5 doesnt enter at number 1 next week then Sony deserve to be strung up by there manly bits.

The marketing has been an absolute shambles.

This is maybe the most British post I've read on GAF. Not criticizing or praising, just noting.

 

[Windom Earle]

Someone didn't read the thread.

Oh I'm sure people will spin these numbers to no end. But to be fair, lets wait for December data.

 

[Rush2thestart]

Goldeneye dropped from 18 to 23... 5 spots. There were 4 releases this week. Not too shabby. I hope it keeps on chugging.

Also Sonic Colors made it in to the top 40 after no appearance last week.

 

[onipex]

You should take a look at last week's thread where we discuss the opening week of the Wii and how its software did (worse than Kinect's, at least in terms of number of titles / positions). The simple fact is that Kinect comes with a game, and that game isn't tracked in the UK charts so it's utterly impossible to tell how the hardware is doing.

I don't think there is anyway to compare the launch of Wii, Move , and Kinect. How do you compare a console launch to the launch of an add-on? The attachments are cheaper and have an advantage of having an existing install base to sell to. Wouldn't it be better to compare Move and Kinect to Wii Fit or WSR since those are the Wii's main attachment launches.

Maybe that is not even possible because Move and Kinect is counted as hardware and Wii Fit/WSR is counted as software. Oh well carry on.

 

[slaughterking]

I don't think there is anyway to compare the launch of Wii, Move , and Kinect. How do you compare a console launch to the launch of an add-on?

Yeah, I agree. I know MS labeled the Kinect launch as a "platform launch" for the sake of their hype and the general perception, but it's still just a peripheral that aims at both an existing userbase and a so far untapped market.
That and the difference in price, the Wii (and apparently Kinect?) shortages and the way Nintendo has changed the perception and acceptance of motion controlled gaming over the past four years make these comparisons rather difficult to say the least.

 

[nli10]

Wiimote shortages (and Wii Play shortages) were severe in the UK after launch - when shipments came in it shot back up in the charts. Wiis themselves were also in short supply after the initial 10 day period of restocks and didn't even sit on the shelves - you phoned the reserve list and the machine went out! This year the Red Wii is going to be a must have, but I don't think it's the same crowd as in past years. There's nothing huge to grab the headlines, but it'll sell well on price and catalogue alone.

Kinect isn't quite that bad but I think it will be in id Dec - Wii launched inside the UK's traditional Christmas window - November in a recession just isn't the same. Once December hits and the proper adverts & word of mouth kick in it'll be this years must have gaming accessory.

PS3 is going to get a much bigger boost from GT than from Move I think. This is the one everyone's been waiting for and I know several PS2 owners that have been holding out just for this moment. We've had a copy in the house and it looks great, but I'm not a shiny car kind of guy.

It's going to be hard to judge just from chart positions, but it'll be fun to watch. I don't care who 'wins' because retail are going to have another record christmas in the UK. Can't wait for the Jan sales!

 

[Mael]

It's annoying that their individual formats stuff doesn't go back that far. =/

But yeah, going on Wii exclusives.

12 (05) - Twilight Princess
30 (09) - Wii Play (Free with controller)

vs 1st week of:

05: Twilight Princess
09: Wii Play (Free with controller)
19: Red Steel
30: Raving Rabbids

So yeah, basically anyone trying to maintain that Kinect's software positions indicate some hardware sales failure... you might want to reconsider. We can't tell anything from them, other than they're arguably better than what the Wii managed at the time.

so people were able to find Wiis in the 2nd week in UK but not in France? interesting...

 

[iceatcs]

Wow everything fucking poor expect Call of Duty and Just Dance and soccer games.

UK is design for soccer mom and their children, and finally call of duty groupies who hate sports.

 

[Ashes]

Wow everything fucking poor expect Call of Duty and Just Dance and soccer games.

UK is design for soccer mom and their children, and finally call of duty groupies who hate sports.

huh? who needs local knowledge...

edit: also, no adverts for gt5 in the uk. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't enter the top ten. Not many outside a few thousand people who trawl the gaming sites know about it coming this week. Having said that, this is GT5, things could change pretty fast. And ps3 gamers are definitely down this week. Both Assasins creed and need for speed I would have thought was a ps3 mainly audience.

 

[iceatcs]

huh? who needs local knowledge...

Just myself.

 

[Ashes]

Just myself.

no such thing as soccer mum over here. Football is the national sport. Fifa is the top game. Men play football. Men also play games. Men buy both war games and sports games. Two biggest games in those two genres came out. Hey presto!

 

[dabra]

Ireland:
Week 46, 2010 - Entertainment Software (All Prices)

01 (01) Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard)
02 (__) Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
03 (02) Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
04 (03) Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft)
05 (08) Wii Party (Nintendo)
06 (__) Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
07 (06) The Sims 3 (Electronic Arts)
08 (13) Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
09 (05) Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
10 (04) Wwe Smackdown Vs Raw 2011 (Thq)
11 (09) Medal Of Honor (Electronic Arts)
12 (17) New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo)
13 (19) New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
14 (__) Art Academy (Nintendo)
15 (__) Harry Potter: The Deathly Hallows Part 1 (Electronic Arts)
16 (15) Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Ii (Lucasarts)
17 (10) Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Konami)
18 (11) Kinect Sports (Microsoft)
19 (__) Sonic Colours (Sega)
20 (12) Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda Softworks)

Denmark:
Week 46, 2010 - Entertainment Software (All Prices)

01 (01) Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard)
02 (__) Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
03 (02) Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
04 (__) Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
05 (04) Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft)
06 (03) Football Manager 2011 (Pan Vision)
07 (10) Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
08 (08) The Sims 3 (Electronic Arts)
09 (12) Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo)
10 (09) New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo)
11 (06) New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
12 (__) Just Dance (Ubisoft)
13 (__) Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
14 (07) Medal Of Honor (Electronic Arts)
15 (05) The Sims 3: Late Night (Electronic Arts)
16 (__) Wii Party (Nintendo)
17 (__) Harry Potter: The Deathly Hallows Part 1 (Electronic Arts)
18 (__) Mario Kart Ds (Nintendo)
19 (__) Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo)
20 (16) Counter-strike: Source (Electronic Arts)

France:
Week 45, 2010

01 (__) [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops (Activision)
02 (__) [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops (Activision)
03 (01) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
04 (03) [WII] Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft)
05 (__) [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops - Edition Limitée Hardened (Activision)

 

[slaughterking]

Germany :
Week 46, 2010

01 (__) [PS3] Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
02 (__) [PS3] Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
03 (01) [PS3] Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard)
04 (__) [360] Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
05 (02) [360] Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard)
06 (__) [360] Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
07 (06) [NDS] Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
08 (__) [PS3] Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
09 (04) [360] Kinect Sports (Microsoft)
10 (07) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)

 

[Canova]

Germany :
Week 46, 2010

01 (__) [PS3] Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
02 (__) [PS3] Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
03 (01) [PS3] Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard)
04 (__) [360] Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
05 (02) [360] Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard)
06 (__) [360] Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
07 (06) [NDS] Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
08 (__) [PS3] Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
09 (04) [360] Kinect Sports (Microsoft)
10 (07) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)

why are there 2 PS3 AC:Brotherhood?

 

[szaromir]

why are there 2 PS3 AC:Brotherhood?

Collectors' Edition maybe? I think they list these separately in German charts.

 

[slaughterking]

Yes, exactly. #1 is the D1 version and #8 is the Codex Edition.

 

[dabra]

Finland:
Week 45 + 46, 2010

01 (__) Call Of Duty Black Ops (Activision-Blizzard)
02 (__) Assasin's Creed Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
03 (06) SingStar SuomiHitit (Sony)
04 (05) NHL 11 (Electronic Arts)
05 (01) Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda)
06 (07) Wii Party (Nintendo)
07 (__) Sports Champions (Sony)
08 (__) NHL Slapshot (Electronic Arts)
09 (__) Toy Story 3 (Disney)
10 (10) FIFA 11 (Electronic Arts)

Italy:
Week 45, 2010

01 (__) [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops (Activision)
02 (__) [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops (Activision)
03 (__) [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft)
04 (02) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
05 (01) [PS2] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Konami)
06 (07) [NDS] Art Academy (Nintendo)
07 (03) [PS3] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Konami)
08 (08) [NDS] Pokemon Ranger: Guardian Signs (Nintendo)
09 (05) [PS3] Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
10 (10) [WII] Wii Fit Plus + Balance Board (Nintendo)

 

[dabra]

Nordic Game Chart October 2010
(Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden)

1. FIFA 11
2. Medal of Honor
3. Fallout: New Vegas
4. World of Warcraft
5. Fable III
6. NHL 11
7. New Super Mario Bros
8. World Rally Championship 2010
9. Civilization V
10. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II
11. The Sims 3: Late Night
12. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
13. Pro Evolution Soccer 2011
14. Battlefield Bad Company 2
15. The Sims 3
16. Sports Champions
17. Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty
18. Castlevania: Lords of Shadow
19. Mafia 2
20. Halo Reach

Sweden:
Week 46, 2010

01 (__) [PS3] Assassin's Creed Brotherhood
02 (__) [360] Assassin's Creed Brotherhood
03 (02) [PC] Call Of Duty: Black Ops
04 (01) [PS3] Call Of Duty: Black Ops
05 (03) [360] Call Of Duty: Black Ops
06 (__) [PS3] Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit
07 (__) [360] Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit
08 (04) [360] Kinect Adventures
09 (05) [360] Kinect Sports
10 (07) [PC] The Sims 3: Late Night
11 (11) [PS3] FIFA 11
12 (12) [360] FIFA 11
13 (14) [WII] New Super Mario Bros Wii
14 (18) [NDS] New Super Mario Bros.
15 (20) [PC] The Sims 3
16 (06) [PC] Football Manager 2011
17 (08) [PC] Farming Simulator 2011
18 (15) [PC] Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty
19 (09) [360] Dance Central
20 (11) [360] Fable III