PAL Charts - Week 46, 2010

I'm not that surprised about Epic Mickey. The unfortunate truth is that the Wii has become an absolute graveyard for 3rd party software. If your want your Wii game to sell, it has to be Just Dance, or it has to be published by Nintendo. There just aren't enough people willing to spend £30 on a game that can't be played at parties or doesn't have the Nintendo/Mario brand attached.
 
PumpkinPie said:
You are correct, I'd always though of Disney love as being a sort of US exclusive thing. I grew up in the 80's and 90's and I've probably seen a Mickey Mouse cartoon less than 5 times in my life, if that.

I did buy Epic Mickey though, not because I like him but because the Wii needs more games like it.
I used to watch Disney cartoon ALL the friking time when I was younger 1990/1996, like every after noon.
Also don't forget the wonderful Capcom '90 games.
Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, Rescue Rangers, Darkwing Duck etc etc etc.

The Brand was far more out there.
 
Oxx said:
How many months until Disney pulls out of game publishing to concentrate on social games?
They are already pulling out, Epic Mickey was their flagship title if it flops in the US after the Time Square launch party and all... well, that marks the end of console development at Disney Interactive and friends.
 
Updated:


Wii´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 49-52 2006, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Twilight Princess - 5 - 12 - 11 - out
Wii Play - 9 - 30 - 36 - out
Red Steel - 19 - out - 34 - out
Raving Rabbids - 30 - out - 32 - 32

Kinect´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 45-48 2010, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Kinect Sports - 4 - 9 - 12 -
Dance Central - 13 - 25 - 30 -
Motion Sports - 15 - 33 - out -
Fighters Uncaged - 23 - 39 - out -
KINECTIMALS - 26 - out - out -
KINECT Joy Ride - 30 - out - out -
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved - 33 - out - out -
Sonic Free Riders - 38 - out - out -

Move´s exclusive software in its first four weeks (weeks 37-40 2010, number denotes chart spot, all format chart)
Sports Champion - 2 - 5 - 7 - 15
Start The Party! - 29 - 24 - 40 - out
Racket Sports - 32 - 22 - 39 - out[/QUOTE]

Edit: corrected wrong week numbers
 
Lets be honest guys. Unless the game is an established franchise, appeals to 16-30 year olds, Nintendo title(Although even they had their bombs) or has large marketing. It's going to crash and burn. EM didn't really have any of that going for it, except for Mickey himself...and I have never heard any dudebros talking about EM. Should have been a smaller game on the Nintendo store or 3DS title.
 
miladesn said:


Man that GT5 launch must be a little disappointing. Only the sixth best PS3 game launch and with extra time. But it beat GT4, and I expect it will have some super legs so it is not all that gloomy. Plus when you just spring a game on everyone without the typical marketing blitz it is hard to compare it with other major releases. When I went into Best Buy today and saw it on the shelf it was sort of a wow moment. If I was not on an insane gamer messageboard I would have not even known it was out. I am not sure how it is in the UK, but I have not seen an ad for the game yet here in the US. The two big Kinect games seem to be holding steady. Also really impressed with Assassins Creed.
 
C4Lukins said:
Man that GT5 launch must be a little disappointing. Only the sixth best PS3 game launch and with extra time. But it beat GT4, and I expect it will have some super legs so it is not all that gloomy. Plus when you just spring a game on everyone without the typical marketing blitz it is hard to compare it with other major releases. When I went into Best Buy today and saw it on the shelf it was sort of a wow moment. If I was not on an insane gamer messageboard I would have not even known it was out. I am not sure how it is in the UK, but I have not seen an ad for the game yet here in the US. The two big Kinect games seem to be holding steady. Also really impressed with Assassins Creed.
It seems for the most part that PS3 games have been doing better than their PS2 counterparts. For a while everyone assumed it'd be the opposite :o
 
CrushDance said:
Lets be honest guys. Unless the game is an established franchise, appeals to 16-30 year olds, Nintendo title(Although even they had their bombs) or has large marketing. It's going to crash and burn. EM didn't really have any of that going for it, except for Mickey himself...and I have never heard any dudebros talking about EM. Should have been a smaller game on the Nintendo store or 3DS title.
There's about a million viddocs, an iPhone app, TV commercials, Warren Spector and Mickey Mouse, probably the most well known(?) mascot in the world. This wasn't a small game either it was Disney Interactive's flagship title. In order words, Nintendo's strategy to bring in new gamers succeeded but they aren't 'graduating' so to speak to other genres, like Nintendo wanted them to. With a huge userbase like the Wii's the software sales should go up over time but they're going down.
 
C4Lukins said:
Man that GT5 launch must be a little disappointing.

I'm not sure how anyone could think that. It's done better in its first week here than the PS2 games, something I think a lot of people thought would not happen.

Now obviously this is just one territory in one week, but taking it as it is, it's a very good start.
 
C4Lukins said:
Man that GT5 launch must be a little disappointing. Only the sixth best PS3 game launch and with extra time. But it beat GT4, and I expect it will have some super legs so it is not all that gloomy. Plus when you just spring a game on everyone without the typical marketing blitz it is hard to compare it with other major releases. When I went into Best Buy today and saw it on the shelf it was sort of a wow moment. If I was not on an insane gamer messageboard I would have not even known it was out. I am not sure how it is in the UK, but I have not seen an ad for the game yet here in the US. The two big Kinect games seem to be holding steady. Also really impressed with Assassins Creed.

It didn't always have extra time though as the COD games and GTA4 all launched on a Tuesday I believe. I guess you could say that GT5 should be outselling the FIFA games, but FIFA is an absolute beast in the UK with far wider appeal than the GT games have.
 
C4Lukins said:
Man that GT5 launch must be a little disappointing. Only the sixth best PS3 game launch and with extra time. But it beat GT4, and I expect it will have some super legs so it is not all that gloomy. Plus when you just spring a game on everyone without the typical marketing blitz it is hard to compare it with other major releases. When I went into Best Buy today and saw it on the shelf it was sort of a wow moment. If I was not on an insane gamer messageboard I would have not even known it was out. I am not sure how it is in the UK, but I have not seen an ad for the game yet here in the US. The two big Kinect games seem to be holding steady. Also really impressed with Assassins Creed.

Doesn't seem disappointing at all. It's not unexpected that CoD and FIFA would beat it right?
 
[Nintex] said:
There's about a million viddocs, an iPhone app, TV commercials, Warren Spector and Mickey Mouse, probably the most well known(?) mascot in the world. This wasn't a small game either it was Disney Interactive's flagship title. In order words, Nintendo's strategy to bring in new gamers succeeded but they aren't 'graduating' so to speak to other genres, like Nintendo wanted them to. With a huge userbase like the Wii's the software sales should go up over time but they're going down.
I haven't seen any ads or heard anything about it. If it wasn't for the OT I would've missed out on it.
 
CozMick said:
Psst, we don't talk about Playstation Move + Epic Mickey, It's against the law or something.
Discussing Epic Mickey ports from a sales perspective is actually a really relevant question.

Disney was expecting Nintendo level sales for this title. By that, I'm almost positive they meant Mario Galaxy sales instead of Excite Bots sales.

Given the gap between expectations and performance along with Disney's recent layoffs and direction change, I think it's even an open question whether or not Junction Point will get shut down.
 
those GT5 sales are pretty rubbish TBH, beaten by FIFA on just the PS3. I've still not seen an advert for the game here in the UK but seen lots of ass creed bro ones, eh I'm probably missing the channel showing it's being shown on. :/ Goddamn at epic Mickey though. Edit- people were not expecting gt5 to beat FIFA? FIFA is not that big, this is just one version were talking about not every version combined, it's a shocker.
 
Acheteedo said:
Even worse than I was expected, and I wasn't expecting much. Worth noting that Disney is not a particularly powerful UK brand though.

Say wut? erm you will find it is the re releases on blurays and dvd are always up at the top of the charts.
 
KingDizzi said:
those GT5 sales are pretty rubbish TBH, beaten by FIFA on just the PS3. I've still not seen an advert for the game here in the UK but seen lots of ass creed bro ones, eh I'm probably missing the channel showing it's being shown on. :/ Goddamn at epic Mickey though.
Fifa>GT. And name any racing game this gen that has or will come close to GT5 in sales. This is the Halo/CoD argument again.
 
KingDizzi said:
those GT5 sales are pretty rubbish TBH, beaten by FIFA on just the PS3. I've still not seen an advert for the game here in the UK but seen lots of ass creed bro ones, eh I'm probably missing the channel showing it's being shown on. :/ Goddamn at epic Mickey though.
well, racing games are not as popular as they used to be. And soccer and COD games are today's huge sellers.
I also think GT5 is a game that has long legs.
 
KingDizzi said:
those GT5 sales are pretty rubbish TBH, beaten by FIFA on just the PS3. I've still not seen an advert for the game here in the UK but seen lots of ass creed bro ones, eh I'm probably missing the channel showing it's being shown on. :/ Goddamn at epic Mickey though.

There were a few over the weekend, normally during the football. I expect to see them a few times tonight during the gadget show also.
 
CrushDance said:
Fifa>GT. And name any racing game this gen that has or will come close to GT5 in sales. This is the Halo/CoD argument again.
Mario Kart Wii

supermackem said:
There were a few over the weekend, normally during the football. I expect to see them a few times tonight during the gadget show also.

Yeah I missed the footy matches this week but it's not big advertising, for games likes AC:B there are adverts everywhere and last year it was the same with UC2. Not saying here that if the game was advertised more it would do COD numbers but it's just odd how little advertising the game did end up getting. Eh I dunno maybe it will get widespread adverts later on however that is pretty much clutching onto straws, this is not Nintendo whom advertise games well after release.
 
tzare said:
well, racing games are not as popular as they used to be.

GT5 has had a better launch than GT3 and GT4, so GT doesn't seem to have suffered much from that trend.

Regarding Fifa, if it has launched better than GT5 it speaks for its incredible strength in recent years rather than any 'rubbishness' on GT5's part.
 
GT5 making the top of the charts is due to branding and internet hype because in the UK there has been literally no advertising as far as i'm aware.
 
KingDizzi said:
Mario Kart Wii
Name any game this gen that will come close to Mario kart wii in sales.

CozMick said:
GT5 making the top of the charts is due to branding and internet hype because in the UK there has been literally no advertising as far as i'm aware.
Word of mouth could be a factor as well, the game is so awesome I've been discussing it non stop since its release.
 
gofreak said:
I'm not sure how anyone could think that. It's done better in its first week here than the PS2 games, something I think a lot of people thought would not happen.

Now obviously this is just one territory in one week, but taking it as it is, it's a very good start.


I did preface that comment. This is a franchise that has sold 15 million with a single game worldwide in the past so I was sort of expecting a supernova of sales. I mean it is much bigger then Halo is. But then when you look at three or four huge Call of Duty games coming out for the system, FIFA and GTA, number 6 does not look so bad. And I went into the whole marketing aspect of it and the surprise launch, plus it beating GT4. It was a poor first sentence to start my analysis with.

Basically my last post was my initial reaction followed by me reasoning it out as I typed.
 
marc^o^ said:
Name any game this gen that will come close to Mario kart wii in sales.
Mario Kart Wii is at about 23 million and Modern Warfare 2 was over 20 million as of about six months ago.

If Black Ops will reach that high is still questionable though.
 
Didn't even realise Epic Mickey was out last Friday, I haven't seen a single piece of advertising for it anywhere.
 
Epic Mickey :( Was expecting it to do well though.

On the other hand, decent launch for GT5. I wonder if it will sell more over the Holidays?
 
Nirolak said:
Mario Kart Wii is at about 23 million and Modern Warfare 2 was over 20 million as of about six months ago.

If Black Ops will reach that high is still questionable though.
Close as of now, but Mario Kart wii will still sell few millions in the next 3 years.
 
C4Lukins said:
I did preface that comment. This is a franchise that has sold 15 million with a single game worldwide in the past so I was sort of expecting a supernova of sales.

And it's a franchise that's just had its best opening week sales ever in the UK :) This launch is entirely 'worthy', if you want to put it that way, of the franchise's past performance. Who knows where we'll go from here, I'd be highly surprised if 5 became the best selling entry in the series, but this start leaves little to complain about.
 
Gutted for Epic Mickey. I hope its sales pick up. It might not be a 10/10 or even a 9/10 game but the core concept and the story concept are sublime. Bought my copy yesterday, ready in time for Xmas.

If sales do not pick up, do we think Disney would port it? I mean its a big budget 3rd party Wii title. I don't want Junction Point to get shut down.
 
This is also a case of releasing a game, a week before the USA is not good.
It has to be the same week, because the EU can't create hype for it, and their where almost NO reviews before the game came out,
I know I know its terrible thing to say but, we need the USA to make hype for us.
The EU press/blogs/podcast just can't do it.
We need the usa do to it for us.
 
Orbitcube said:
That's what they get for making an exclusive, high-budget Wii game. They really should've expected it, how hard is it to notice that third-party Wii games generally don't do well? If they put it on 360 or PS3 it might not have bombed as badly.

Yeah because HD games dont bomb. Like Enslaved, Bloodstone, etc. This shit is ridiculous.

Anyway, I expected low sales for Epic Mickey. Buzz seemed to be low last week. It'll see a boost next week, but I think Epic Mickey will do a lot better in the US.
 
gofreak said:
GT5 has had a better launch than GT3 and GT4, so GT doesn't seem to have suffered much from that trend.

Regarding Fifa, if it has launched better than GT5 it speaks for its incredible strength in recent years rather than any 'rubbishness' on GT5's part.

well, it is a system seller, and long awaited afterall.And nowadays there's a lot of noise everytime a important game is launched. I think it will do well, but not as good as GT3, more like Gt4, which is good but considering how 'big' and 'ambitious' is the game could be somehow disapointing. I also see it too hardcore, i mean, is geared towards wheel users, and car lovers, and is not as 'friendly' as other games out there.

PS3 ain't PS2 either XD
 
tzare said:
well, it is a system seller, and long awaited afterall.And nowadays there's a lot of noise everytime a important game is launched. I think it will do well, but not as good as GT3, more like Gt4, which is good but considering how 'big' and 'ambitious' is the game could be somehow disapointing. I also see it too hardcore, i mean, is geared towards wheel users, and car lovers, and is not as 'friendly' as other games out there.

PS3 ain't PS2 either XD

Yes, like I said, I would be very surprised if 5 ended up breaking records for the franchise overall by the time all is said and done. I just think that saying this first week performance is lacking or not in keeping with the franchise doesn't make sense.
 
gofreak said:
Yes, like I said, I would be very surprised if 5 ended up breaking records for the franchise overall by the time all is said and done. I just think that saying this first week performance is lacking or not in keeping with the franchise doesn't make sense.
oh i agree.I think that those numbers are pretty good. Not excellent but good enough, considering UK is more xboxland thatn mainland europe. :D
I also think that if the game evolves (as Kaz said) it will also help its usual long legs and may end selling closer to GT3 than Gt4.
 
swerve said:
So for clarity, we should see Wii's second week's software I guess.


I find it hard to care about how X sports fairs vs X sports and X sports. I mean, they are charting, so they didnt fail right? Thats kind of all I need to know, gaming is still expanding, so its all good.
 
Rush2thestart said:
Yeah because HD games dont bomb. Like Enslaved, Bloodstone, etc. This shit is ridiculous.

Anyway, I expected low sales for Epic Mickey. Buzz seemed to be low last week. It'll see a boost next week, but I think Epic Mickey will do a lot better in the US.

This doesn't even compare to Enslaved or Bloodstone, at least those broke the top 40. That Epic Mickey couldn't even get in the top 40 is pretty freaking huge, wasn't this one of the Wii's bigger games of the holiday? Also got a spot at the Nintendo e3 conference I remember, so obviously people expected big things.
 
It's a first proper gt on the console. Shouldn't we compare it to gt3? which had more sales in the long run right?
 
hamchan said:
This doesn't even compare to Enslaved or Bloodstone, at least those broke the top 40. That Epic Mickey couldn't even get in the top 40 is pretty freaking huge, wasn't this one of the Wii's bigger games of the holiday? Also got a spot at the Nintendo e3 conference I remember, so obviously people expected big things.

Epic Mickey did poorly in the UK. No denying that. The reason I brought up those examples is because it seems like some people think putting a game on the HD consoles somehow makes them sell. Seeing the types of games PS3/360 owners buy in the UK, Epic Mickey wouldve bombed even worse.
 
Surely Sony will step up GT5 advertising soon? If not just WTF is going on, UC2 last year was advertised well after release as was LBP the previous year. Just seems a very silly way to treat your biggest franchise, as mentioned I have not seen a single advert for the game which is just weird because I'm always in front of the TV. :P Epic Mickey sales are just fucked up, that one I did see adverts for and quite a bit too. That's fucking MICKEY MOUSE.........goddamn!
 
tzare said:
well, racing games are not as popular as they used to be. And soccer and COD games are today's huge sellers.
I also think GT5 is a game that has long legs.

Games like GT are not front loaded like release such as FIFA.
 
Rush2thestart said:
Yeah because HD games dont bomb. Like Enslaved, Bloodstone, etc. This shit is ridiculous.
They also didn't release on platforms that are notorious for bombing where third party releases are concerned. I'm just saying that Disney probably should've realised something that us gamers have seen for ages. And honestly, if Epic Mickey is as mediocre as it sounds it probably deserves to bomb.
 
KingDizzi said:
Surely Sony will step up GT5 advertising soon? If not just WTF is going on, UC2 last year was advertised well after release as was LBP the previous year. Just seems a very silly way to treat your biggest franchise, as mentioned I have not seen a single advert for the game which is just weird because I'm always in front of the TV. :P Epic Mickey sales are just fucked up, that one I did see adverts for and quite a bit too. That's fucking MICKEY MOUSE.........goddamn!

I have a feeling the release fuck-up messed up their advertising plans. It can be hard to reschedule a campaign at this time of year if ad inventory is heavily booked. They may not have had their choice of ad space to start a campaign before release. I would GUESS that they do have stuff planned through Xmas. Apparently some ads have started trickling out on a couple of channels.
 
KingDizzi said:
Surely Sony will step up GT5 advertising soon? If not just WTF is going on, UC2 last year was advertised well after release as was LBP the previous year. Just seems a very silly way to treat your biggest franchise, as mentioned I have not seen a single advert for the game which is just weird because I'm always in front of the TV. :P Epic Mickey sales are just fucked up, that one I did see adverts for and quite a bit too. That's fucking MICKEY MOUSE.........goddamn!

They are indeed doing post launch advertising. I think the missed deadline might have screwed up their TV ad campaign.
 
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