Nice thse look really good. I have to try and make those this weekend.
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Paleo Diet 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman
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Nice thse look really good. I have to try and make those this weekend.
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Is it well known? Says who, and for what reasons?
I don't think anyone in here is saying eat 10 strips of bacon at every meal, but "extremely unhealthy" is a pretty strong statement for you to make.
I call this hit-and-run style posting "dropping a grenade".
Anticitizen One
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Why? I check out this thread regularly. My understanding was that research has shown that bacon was bad and increases risk if heart disease so I wanted to ask the paleo people for their thoughts. Is that a problem?
Explain why you think it's bad.
Bacon isn't bad in and of itself...perhaps for someone who is lazy or already has high cholesterol it might be an issue but people aren't going to get heart disease solely from eating bacon.
I have a friend who has lost 30 pound on Paleo and eats plenty of bacon and his cholesterol and triglycerides went down. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
Anticitizen One
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It's not me who thinks they are bad. It's just something you hear about like how cigarettes are bad. A quick google search brought up many articles on the subject here is one for example http://americablog.com/2013/03/processed-meats-cancer-heart-disease-study.html
This whole diet is founded on the premise that the lipid hypothesis is bullshit...so of course there are going to be articles that are counter to what the Paleo diet preaches.
Did you see that link I posted? It's a really good analysis of this kind of research (with a focus on bacon and cancer), which is generally very poor. A main tenet of paleo is that saturated fat is healthy, it tends to go against a fair number of conventional health beliefs.
Anticitizen One
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I did start that article you linked me but got sidetracked I will finish it thou. Thanks for providing more information. I guess my question isn't about what paleo people think but what science actually shows and from what that article said studies are poor right now. However personally I'm going to go light on the bacon just to be on the safe side.
Well, everything in moderation, but I wouldn't avoid it like the plague.
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So I've been doing this for a week so far. What I can say for certain is that my sleep has improved. I've been a person to eat well. When I go on runs I feel better and "lighter" if that makes sense.
To be fair though, bacon contains sodium nitrate/nitrites and lacks any antioxidant, so if you are cooking bacon at very high heat you might consume elevated amounts of nitrosamines.
I know that research hasn't been 100% conclusive on the effects of nitrosamines and cancer, but I'd say it is still best to avoid them.
So basically you shouldn't char your bacon and you'll be safe.
I know that research hasn't been 100% conclusive on the effects of nitrosamines and cancer, but I'd say it is still best to avoid them.
So basically you shouldn't char your bacon and you'll be safe.
As far as I understand, there is no such thing as nitrate/nitrite free bacon. They just use celery juice instead, which has the same effect, since it's a natural source of the same thing.
I may be wrong though, feel free to correct me.
Actually I believe the Wegmans one does have celery nitrites...still, great tasting bacon.
That's what I'm referring to:
The ?No Nitrites Added? Hoax | Michael Ruhlman
Seems that all the "nitrite/nitrate free" labels are purposely misguiding the consumer. The food industry strikes again?
EDIT:
Now that you mention it, I actually remember knowing that in the past, haha.
The ?No Nitrites Added? Hoax | Michael Ruhlman
Seems that all the "nitrite/nitrate free" labels are purposely misguiding the consumer. The food industry strikes again?
EDIT:
Now that you mention it, I actually remember knowing that in the past, haha.
You're right...but then again it seems the jury is still out on nitrates/nitrites causing cancer.
http://culinaryarts.about.com/od/seasoningflavoring/a/nitrates.htm
Price Dalton
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Nowadays, most bacon is primarily monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fat, with the latter being a big change and attributable to the horrid PUFA-rich feed used. SFA accounts for just 30-some odd percent of bacon fat (unless you're talking pastured pigs).
Not to detract from your point. Rather, standard bacon is pretty bad from a PUFA standpoint alone, nitrosamines notwithstanding.
Depends where you are, I think - bog standard UK bacon from Tesco is 14% PUFA. Rest is about equal mono and sat. But really the mention of saturated fat was to highlight that paleo tends to swim against the tide rather than suggest bacon is a sat fat goldmine.
I'm assuming that's lower than most places...
There's a store nearby me that imports all its pork from Canada. I'll probably only start getting bacon and other pork products from this store. They do this because of the more strict farming standards of Canada vs. US.
Even bacon has been tampered with
. Nothing is safe!!!Okay, update on my end: This weekend was bad, but I planned it to be this way. I've somehow managed to go 40 days with a 75/25 Paleo diet. My goal is naturally 80/20 or higher, but as a reward I let myself eat whatever I wanted, especially on Easter while I went to my family's big dinner complete with scrumptious food dishes and chocolate, candy, and desserts.
I didn't feel any guilt, but man did I pay for it later that evening. I had a terribly upset stomach later in the evening and had to take TUMS to settle it down. A combination of eating a TON of food, a good portion of which I haven't eaten in a long time.
Time to get serious, though. After I hit up the grocery store later tonight, I'm going to buckle down tomorrow and go another 40 days of even stricter Paleo while trying to work in an exercise routine. Wish me luck! You guys have been a tremendous asset and a great help. I finally think I'm in the swing of things. I still have a lot to learn, but I'm definitely getting there. I can finally look at a list of ingredients and know if it's Paleo about 80% of the time.
Looks good. Course, I could make it myself and it would be cheaper and probably taste better.
Anticitizen One
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is this an april fools??
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Nope. Nitrite-free bacon has more nitrite than usual bacon.
So-called "Nitrite-Free" Bacon Is Full Of It
MaximusNeo701
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Being Celiac along with my entire family I can a test to that it does exist; my sister almost died from it. It's not staying away from grains, but wheat, rye, and barley. It's an auto immune disorder and is genetic. Though the whole argument that gluten is bad for you I feel is not entirely true, that would be like saying insulin is bad for you because it causes an issue who is diabetic. My cousin is also diabetic and explained how closely the 2 auto immune disorders are related in how they work. It's just the lack of the bodies ability to break down a complex protein and instead treating it as a sort of intruder. Though some suffering from mental disorders have had better luck with there issues when cutting out gluten, I have never seen hard data backing this evening though every celiac I have talked to swears by it.
My mother and I were both diagnosed with IBS and it never got better. My sister is about 5'6" and weighs 85 pounds, she hit a low in the 70's and had to go into the Mayo Clinic to get have tests ran; she was the first to have found to have it and our family was all tested. There is a abnormally high amount of IGG and IGA in the blood of a celiac from the bodies immune system reaction. It kills off the small intestine villi so little absorption occurs and can cause extreme weight loss and was discovered in Ireland when grain shortages were high and the villagers switched to potatos. They became healthier and when switching back to grain started to figure it out.
I was a lot healthier after switching to a Gluten free diet because I was malnourished, but the diet is extremely hard to follow as if any flour touches any surface the other food does you cannot eat it; i believe 6 parts per million of gluten is enough to cause a reaction. After years of having horrible reactions from small contaminations I went off the gluten free diet and was sick in the beginning but eventually adapted to having it again and having very few issues.
Most who go on a gluten free diet don't switch to a diet like this, instead they use substitutes for flour and replace some of it with rice in most cases. Though the move away from processed foods is good I have had little luck convincing them to adapt a diet more like this one as it could work well if done right. You would be surprised what flour is in, or even what foods are processed in the same facility as goods with flour that cause reactions.
I have attempted to shift my diet to more like this and also better moderation and had great results the past 2 years.
My mother and I were both diagnosed with IBS and it never got better. My sister is about 5'6" and weighs 85 pounds, she hit a low in the 70's and had to go into the Mayo Clinic to get have tests ran; she was the first to have found to have it and our family was all tested. There is a abnormally high amount of IGG and IGA in the blood of a celiac from the bodies immune system reaction. It kills off the small intestine villi so little absorption occurs and can cause extreme weight loss and was discovered in Ireland when grain shortages were high and the villagers switched to potatos. They became healthier and when switching back to grain started to figure it out.
I was a lot healthier after switching to a Gluten free diet because I was malnourished, but the diet is extremely hard to follow as if any flour touches any surface the other food does you cannot eat it; i believe 6 parts per million of gluten is enough to cause a reaction. After years of having horrible reactions from small contaminations I went off the gluten free diet and was sick in the beginning but eventually adapted to having it again and having very few issues.
Most who go on a gluten free diet don't switch to a diet like this, instead they use substitutes for flour and replace some of it with rice in most cases. Though the move away from processed foods is good I have had little luck convincing them to adapt a diet more like this one as it could work well if done right. You would be surprised what flour is in, or even what foods are processed in the same facility as goods with flour that cause reactions.
I have attempted to shift my diet to more like this and also better moderation and had great results the past 2 years.
I certainly haven't gone gung-ho on this paleo thing, maybe 75% of my diet is paleo now, but I've noticed dramatic improvements in my sleep. For months I could at most sleep 6-7 hours before my brain forces me to wake up, but now I'm getting 8 hours consistently.
I'm not sure if there is any research on paleo and sleep, but it certainly has helped me where drugs and other treatments have not.
I'm not sure if there is any research on paleo and sleep, but it certainly has helped me where drugs and other treatments have not.
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Only 2 brands had more according to that link.
edit: also, one Whole Foods brand I've had uses sea salt and not this celery stuff that some of these articles are mentioning. If sea salt causes cancer, we're all doomed.
No, I just googled the link and it's been around since January.
So I had wild keta salmon tonight, never had keta before. It's essentially a 'lite' version of red/sockeye, in taste, nutrition, and price. It's good, I'll buy some again for sure if I'm on a tight budget [which is usually!]
there it is! with rutabaga and purple asparagus, topped with turmeric! one of the better dinners I've had in a while. Love all these. Purple asparagus is seriously incredible!
there it is! with rutabaga and purple asparagus, topped with turmeric! one of the better dinners I've had in a while. Love all these. Purple asparagus is seriously incredible!
Oh....whey is okay then? Was wondering about that. How does one just buy whey? I've only seen it in protein mixes and such. Interesting.
Dralia, are those potatoes with your keta salmon or something else?
Edit: Never mind, I guess it's rutabaga. Never seen the stuff before. What's it taste like and how did you prepare it? Seems like something that would be yummy with butter
Oh....whey is okay then? Was wondering about that. How does one just buy whey? I've only seen it in protein mixes and such. Interesting.
Dralia, are those potatoes with your keta salmon or something else?
Edit: Never mind, I guess it's rutabaga. Never seen the stuff before. What's it taste like and how did you prepare it? Seems like something that would be yummy with butter
Whey is a bi-product of cheese production. As far as I know the only non insulin spiking dairy is cottage cheese. The jury is still out on whey. I've used it in my shakes every day for around 3 years and im doing well.
Oh....whey is okay then? Was wondering about that. How does one just buy whey? I've only seen it in protein mixes and such. Interesting.
Dralia, are those potatoes with your keta salmon or something else?
Edit: Never mind, I guess it's rutabaga. Never seen the stuff before. What's it taste like and how did you prepare it? Seems like something that would be yummy with butter
I wouldn't call whey paleo. Hence the 5
Yeah I dont think whey is technically paleo, but I suppose it depends who you ask. I personally still use it. this stuff is advertised as "paleo whey" but as far as I can tell they're just saying that because the whey comes from grass fed cows *shrug*
http://www.julianbakery.com/paleo/protein-2/
Here is Robb Wolf on the subject:
http://robbwolf.com/2012/05/03/wheying-in-protein-powders-paleo/
tl;dr he says whole foods are better. Which is fine, I just use it to make sure I hit my protein numbers. It's a convenience, not ideal.
http://www.julianbakery.com/paleo/protein-2/
Here is Robb Wolf on the subject:
http://robbwolf.com/2012/05/03/wheying-in-protein-powders-paleo/
tl;dr he says whole foods are better. Which is fine, I just use it to make sure I hit my protein numbers. It's a convenience, not ideal.
Update for me:
December 1 2012: 202 lbs
Feb 26 : 189 lbs
March 14: 190
Full diet break / refeed for ~ 2 weeks : not eating crazy amounts of calories but had oatmeal, bread and pasta if I wanted. Ate enough but not excessive.
March 30: 192 lbs Began strict primal/paleo again and intermittent fasting
April 4th: 187 lbs
December 1 2012: 202 lbs
Feb 26 : 189 lbs
March 14: 190
Full diet break / refeed for ~ 2 weeks : not eating crazy amounts of calories but had oatmeal, bread and pasta if I wanted. Ate enough but not excessive.
March 30: 192 lbs Began strict primal/paleo again and intermittent fasting
April 4th: 187 lbs
Sounds like a good plateau breaker.
I'm on day 4 for < 30g carbs and I'm starting to get a bit shakey.
Day 5 for me on the same, < 30g a day and only from sparse amount of nuts and vegetables. I think day 4 was my hump, now everything feels 'normal' thank god for that because the first 48h felt like having gremlins eating my stomach from the inside after starting the diet coldturkey from a habit of 10 fucking burgers a day for 2 weeks or something along those lines.
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I wish I had more time to cook during the week when I work.
I buy premade salads with baked chicken from store. All the salads seem to have cheese & I trying to avoid dairy. Oh and um week 2 now?
I buy premade salads with baked chicken from store. All the salads seem to have cheese & I trying to avoid dairy. Oh and um week 2 now?
was gonna do 6 days a week only...if it sucks i'll do something else. fats don't bother me as much.
That's the way to do it. Slow roast and shred a kilo of pork shoulder on Sunday, sorts me for the week's worth of quick salads.
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Progress over the course of a little over a month. Combining Paleo and Intermittent fasting has done me wonders. Next weigh in on May 15th.
Down to 186 this morning, so I feel like I'm definitely past that 189-190 plateau now. My only concern is getting enough protein lately. I make sure I have it with every meal but I'm not really counting grams, just ballparking it. I also need to get to the gym more regularly, I've slacked a bit this week.