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ICC prosecutor to decide if there is evidence to open full-scale probe into Israeli crimes on Palestinian territory.

The Palestinian Authority has handed over its first submission of evidence of Israeli war crimes to the International Criminal Court (ICC), in a bid to speed up an ICC inquiry into abuses committed during last year's Gaza conflict.

Standing outside the ICC after meeting the court's chief prosecutor Fatou Bensouda on Thursday, Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki said he had submitted dossiers on the Gaza conflict, Israeli settlements on occupied land where Palestinians seek a state, and treatment of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel.

"Palestine is a test for the credibility of international mechanisms ... a test the world cannot afford to fail. Palestine has decided to seek justice, not vengeance," Maliki said.

It is not clear how long the process will take.

https://twitter.com/Palestine_UN/status/614068174263296004/photo/1

The move may leave Israel in a quandary since it must decide whether to cooperate with the ICC investigation or find itself isolated as one of a very few countries that have declined to work with its prosecutors.
The Hague-based ICC, with no police force or enforcement powers of its own, is looking into alleged crimes by both Palestinian armed groups and Israel of the conflict but cannot compel Tel Aviv to give it information.
The Palestinian Authority joined the international court this year.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1021783

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c85306-19d1-11e5-bed8-1093ee58dad0_story.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...e-icc-israeli-war-crimes-150625134522711.html

 

[FZZ]

Best of luck to Palestine.

But as usual I feel like nothing will be done and Israel will get away either scot-free or with a slap on the wrist.

 

[Heshinsi]

I hope the ICC levels war crimes against the guilty parties on either side.



PS. Did the Palestinians seriously just photo-shop their flag unto Egypt's coat of arms? lol

 

[dalin80]

Sadly all this is going to achieve is another Israeli land grab.

 

[justjohn]

Someone should tell the Palestinians the ICC are not interested unless it's an African country.

 

[Darknight34]

I totally suspect if it starts to go somewhere that Israel submits their own... and then nothing goes anywhere..,.

 

[AntiFacebook]

Great,when the ICC publishes its ruling,everyone will finally know the truth - that Israel performed no war crimes whatsover

 

[Chichikov]

PS. Did the Palestinians seriously just photo-shop their flag unto Egypt's coat of arms? lol

The eagle of Saladin is a common symbol of Arab nationalism, it appeared in numerous coat of arms -

Iraq -

South Yemen -

Libya -

 

[Kolx]

Nothing will happen as Israel will get away as usual. Fuckin disgusting.

 

[Heshinsi]

The eagle of Saladin is a common symbol of Arab nationalism, it appeared in numerous coat of arms -

Iraq -

South Yemen -

Libya -

Ironic that he wasn't an Arab but a Kurd. Look at how his people are treated in Arab majority countries. I can't stand Arab nationalism, but I'd rather we go back to the stupidity of the Nasser years, than the insanity that has wrecked the region currently.

 

[Hyperactivity]

That took no time

 

[Fenderputty]

Great,when the ICC publishes its ruling,everyone will finally know the truth - that Israel performed no war crimes whatsover

Yeah lol sure. I'm sure a racist apartheid state is just sqeaky clean.

 

[AntiFacebook]

Yeah lol sure. I'm sure a racist apartheid state is just sqeaky clean.

I don't know about that imaginary country of yours,but Israel certainly is clean.

 

[Rushersauce]

I don't know about that imaginary country of yours,but Israel certainly is clean.

Buahahaha. Oh wow. ThisIsNeogaf.gif.
Israel and clean in the same sentence. Isn't that an oxymoron?

 

[Fenderputty]

I don't know about that imaginary country of yours,but Israel certainly is clean.

Bibi's a swell guy too. Got any more snake oil you wanna try and sell?

 

[Chariot]

I don't know about that imaginary country of yours,but Israel certainly is clean.

Wow, the Israel Defense Force got worse since the last great topic. Israel is most certainly not clean.

 

[squidyj]

Wow, the Israel Defense Force got worse since the last great topic. Israel is most certainly not clean.

.....shit, the IDF's here?

 

[Jpop]

Great,when the ICC publishes its ruling,everyone will finally know the truth - that Israel performed no war crimes whatsover

SuporterOfChildMurder

Should be your new username.


Oh boy.

Not surprised there are a disgusting amount of Isreal apologists on NeoGAF.

Hope you sleep well with all those murdered kids on your consciousness. Oh, right they are Palestinian so I guess they don't count as human.

 

[Rushersauce]

I don't know about that imaginary country of yours,but Israel certainly is clean.

Congratz on the tag.
Now, educate yourself.

 

[AntiFacebook]

SuporterOfChildMurder

Should be your new username.


Oh boy.

Not surprised there are a disgusting amount of Isreal apologists on NeoGAF.

Hope you sleep well with all those murdered kids on your consciousness. Oh, right they are Palestinian so I guess they don't count as human.

That's exactly what i'm talking about.
Hopefully one day people will understand that Israel really had no choice in the matter.

 

[Jpop]

Congratz on the tag.
Now, educate yourself.

Now the mods just need to change the username to something more fitting.

That's exactly what i'm talking about.
Hopefully one day people will understand that Israel really had no choice in the matter.

I guess you are trying the, "I was being sarcastic route", now.

 

[Rushersauce]

That's exactly what i'm talking about.
Hopefully one day people will understand that Israel really had no choice in the matter.

You disgust me. Jesus... I hope people never understand that.

 

[Hyperactivity]

That's exactly what i'm talking about.
Hopefully one day people will understand that Israel really had no choice in the matter.

And Bibi had no choice but to use racist anti-Arab rhetoric to win an election

Spoiler

worst of all was that it worked too

 

[Chariot]

That's exactly what i'm talking about.
Hopefully one day people will understand that Israel really had no choice in the matter.

No choice than killing children that play football? No other choice than bombing a few guys getting together to watch the football cup in public? No other choice than to snipe random people? No other choice then arbitarily killing people in the hopes that you may hit a terrorist? No other choice than creating more and more illegal settlements? No other choice than treating palestines like thrid grade citizens?

 

[Kolx]

That's exactly what i'm talking about.
Hopefully one day people will understand that Israel really had no choice in the matter.

Please tell me that this's a joke post.

 

[AntiFacebook]

No choice than killing children that play football? No other choice than bombing a few guys getting together to watch the football cup in public? No other choice than to snipe random people? No other choice then arbitarily killing people in the hopes that you may hit a terrorist?

The fault lies completely with the terrorists that chose to hide behind civilian population.

No other choice than creating more and more illegal settlements? No other choice than treating palestines like thrid grade citizens?

I never said I support those

Spoiler

Though Palestinians are still being treated in israel better than arab citizens in arab countries are,mind you

 

[Jpop]

Please tell me that this's a joke post.

I think it is sarcasm in a very very depressing way. The poster is a horrible person.

Edit:

The new post just shows how disgusting a person he/she is.

You disgust me. Jesus... I hope people never understand that.

 

[Tagyhag]

Nothing will come of it, lest the ICC be branded antisemites.

 

[hobblygobbly]

The fault lies completely with the terrorists that chose to hide behind civilian population.

Except there are many incidents where children were explicitly targeted unless you have forgotten about that.

The most well known example - what about the shelling on children on the Gaza beach where it was only the kids on the beach? The excuse by IDF? "The person firing mistakened them". What fucking bullshit. Another excuse "targeting a shipping container on the beach". Bullshit again. You telling you me you don't identify your target before opening fire? Lies. Furthermore, you're shelling in a very nearby vicinity with children, i.e civilians and think it's okay?

 

[Hyperactivity]

The fault lies completely with the terrorists that chose to hide behind civilian population.




I never said I support those

Spoiler

Though Palestinians are still being treated in israel better than arab citizens in arab countries are,mind you

You aren't paying attention to the specific examples he was talking about
Read up on those specific incidents. There was little to no Hamas actiivity in those areas

Not to mention a number of other situations that weren't as clear-as-day, but still involved a bunch of shadiness on the IDF's part

The two specific incidents btw:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...raeli-strike-gaza-kills-four-children-n157301
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ile-watching-world-cup-semifinal-9598542.html

And the beach in the 1st one

 

[Toxi]

I don't know about that imaginary country of yours,but Israel certainly is clean.

Just a reminder that this is what you're defending.

“They were two young women … The lookouts couldn’t see well so the commander sent a drone up to look from above, and the drone implicated them,” said the soldier.

“They directed fire there, on those girls, and they were killed,” the soldier continued. “After they were implicated, I had a feeling it was bulls—t.” Three tanks soon checked the dead women. They were unarmed, but were still listed as "terrorists" by the soldiers on hand, according to the report.

“They were fired at – so of course, they must have been terrorists,” the soldier said.

EDIT: That tag is well-deserved.

Hopefully one day people will understand that Israel really had no choice in the matter.

There's always a fucking choice.

 

[Chichikov]

Though Palestinians are still being treated in israel better than arab citizens in arab countries are,mind you

The Palestinians in the west bank are not being treated better than the Palestinians in Jordan.
But really, that's a fucking stupid line of defense.

 

[Protome]

Nothing will come of it and then in a year or two Israel will perform another genocide out of revenge and this cycle will continue forever.

 

[KimiNewt]

No choice than killing children that play football? No other choice than bombing a few guys getting together to watch the football cup in public? No other choice than to snipe random people? No other choice then arbitarily killing people in the hopes that you may hit a terrorist? No other choice than creating more and more illegal settlements? No other choice than treating palestines like thrid grade citizens?

I'm wondering, do you honestly believe that Israel WANTS to kill children / innocents? What would be the gain in that?
Wouldn't it make more sense if those were caused of carelessness, collateral damage and a better-safe-than-sorry attitude to any person in Gaza (as well as genuine accidents)?

 

[Jpop]

I'm wondering, do you honestly believe that Israel WANTS to kill children / innocents? What would be the gain in that?
Wouldn't it make more sense if those were caused of carelessness, collateral damage and a better-safe-than-sorry attitude to any person in Gaza (as well as genuine accidents)?

It would happen pretty much the same way cops in America have a happy trigger finger for black people. Black lives Don't Matter.

In Isreal it is pretty much Palestinian Lives Don't Matter.

 

[KimiNewt]

It would happen pretty much the same way cops in America have a happy trigger finger for black people. Black lives Don't Matter.

In Isreal it is pretty much Palestinian Lives Don't Matter.

Yeah, but that's still not the same as saying killing children (or whatever) is policy.

 

[Syph Medwes]

SuporterOfChildMurder

Should be your new username.


Oh boy.

Not surprised there are a disgusting amount of Isreal apologists on NeoGAF.

Hope you sleep well with all those murdered kids on your consciousness. Oh, right they are Palestinian so I guess they don't count as human.

I sleep great. Nice escalation though.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Yeah, but that's still not the same as saying killing children (or whatever) is policy.

Nice, the American Police System at its worst is what the IDF is compared to

 

[Jpop]

Welp I'm out. I already see where this thread is headed.

 

[AntiFacebook]

The Palestinians in the west bank are not being treated better than the Palestinians in Jordan.
But really, that's a fucking stupid line of defense.

Like I said,I'm not defending it.I really think Israel should threat Palestinians better

 

[Chichikov]

Nice, the American Police System at its worst is what the IDF is compared to

American police is pretty bad, but it doesn't hold million of people without basic human rights.
It's a weird comparison anyway.

 

[Ayato Kanzaki]

I'm wondering, do you honestly believe that Israel WANTS to kill children / innocents? What would be the gain in that?

For some Israelis, including some of their soldiers, there's no innocents. All the civilians are accomplices of the terrorists. Don't underestimate the hatred that both sides feel for each other.

As for civlians casualities, the Israeli governement find them convenient, because it means that there will be more rockets. It allow them to, internally, make sure the far-right stay in power. And they can also use it to divert the attention of the rest of the world and justify their territorial expansion, by branding the palestinians as terrorists.

 

[Shuggananas]

I don't know about that imaginary country of yours,but Israel certainly is clean.

oh shit that's the best

 

[Catatafish]

Ironic that he wasn't an Arab but a Kurd. Look at how his people are treated in Arab majority countries. I can't stand Arab nationalism, but I'd rather we go back to the stupidity of the Nasser years, than the insanity that has wrecked the region currently.

The current insanity is a byproduct of Nasser years.

 

[m3k]

Jesus Christ this thread got shitted up quick

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

So, what's the over/under on how long it'll take before Israel makes up a reason to indiscriminately bomb the shit out of Gaza as a distraction from/punishment for this?

 

[lawnchair]

anyone saying that the american police force is worse than the IDF is ... wow. doing some shit.

do we need to see the receipts?

 

[Jpop]

anyone saying that the american police force is worse than the IDF is ... wow. doing some shit.

do we need to see the receipts?

No one said that. I said that Palestinian lives are inconsequential to Isreal much like Black lives are inconsequential to a lot of the America police force.

Keep reaching though.

 

[Cub3h]

So, what's the over/under on how long it'll take before Israel makes up a reason to indiscriminately bomb the shit out of Gaza as a distraction from/punishment for this?

Probably very long, as they've never done that before. Indiscriminate is aiming a rocket at a town / city and hoping that it'll hit as many people as possible.

This should lead nowhere, as both sides probably have commited some war crimes, which pretty much seems unavoidable when you are at war every other year.

 

[Walpurgis]

I don't know about that imaginary country of yours,but Israel certainly is clean.

Countries that recognise Palestine are green. It appears that you are the one imagining things.

I don't expect much to come of this. Israel and the U.S. are part of the few countries that are NOT in the ICC. The article says that Israel has to cooperate but they either won't or America will somehow save them. I think the last time something like this happened was the Goldstone Report.

The United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, also known as the Goldstone Report, was a team established in April 2009 by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) during the Gaza War (January 2009) as an independent international fact-finding mission to investigate alleged violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law in the Palestinian territories, particularly the Gaza Strip, in connection with Gaza War.[1] South African jurist Richard Goldstone was appointed to head the mission.[1][2] Goldstone's work investigating violence led directly to him being nominated to serve as the first chief prosecutor of the United Nations International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and for Rwanda from August 1994 to September 1996.

The report accused both the Israel Defense Forces and the Palestinian militants of war crimes and possible crimes against humanity. It recommended that each side openly investigate its own conduct, and to bring the allegations to the International Criminal Court if they failed to do so.[3][4] The government of Israel rejected the report as prejudiced and full of errors, and also sharply rejected the charge that it had a policy of deliberately targeting civilians.[5] The militant Islamic group Hamas initially rejected some of the report's findings,[6] but then urged world powers to embrace it.[7]

The controversial report received wide support among countries in the United Nations, while Western countries were split between supporters and opponents of the resolutions endorsing the report.[8][9][10][11] Critics of the report claimed that it contained methodological failings, legal and factual errors, and falsehoods, and devoted insufficient attention to the allegations that Hamas was deliberately operating in heavily populated areas of Gaza.[12][13]

On 1 April 2011, Goldstone retracted his claim that it was Israeli government policy to deliberately target citizens, saying "While the investigations published by the Israeli military and recognized in the U.N. committee's report have established the validity of some incidents that we investigated in cases involving individual soldiers, they also indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy."[14] On 14 April 2011 the three other coauthors of the United Nations (UN) fact-finding mission on the Gaza conflict of 2008–2009 Hina Jilani, Christine Chinkin and Desmond Travers released a joint statement criticizing Goldstone's recantation of this aspect of the report. They all agreed that the report was valid and that Israel and Hamas had failed to investigate alleged war crimes satisfactorily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Fact_Finding_Mission_on_the_Gaza_Conflict

So, basically, western countries that don't recognise Palestine side with Israel and the rest of the world sides with Palestine. Hamas is initially pissed off but realise that they don't have much credibility on the world stage and that Israel will take a lot more damage for the exposure of their behaviours which are more in line with a terrorist organisation. Western powers force Goldstone to retract his statements but failed to silence his co-authors.

Just click the article to see the table of contents. It was an utter shitstorm.