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[SteveWinwood]

Searched, didn't see that it had been posted.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...ay-huge-price-for-anti-obamacare-politicking/

Some quick quotes:

It turns out, the pizza eating public did not approve.

Indeed, so serious was the reaction that Schnatter was forced to publish an op-ed piece where he sought to convince us that he never really intended to cut back worker hours but had simply been speculating on what he might do in response to the legislation.

According to YouGov BrandIndex, a leading marketing survey that measures brand perception in the marketplace (called “Buzz&#8221, Papa John’s had good reason for concern as the pizza chain’s brand identity has plummeted from a high of 32 on election day, to a remarkably low score of 4 among adults who have eaten at causal dining restaurants during the past month.

Fast food server, Applebee’s, possessed a healthy Buzz score of 35 before Zane Terkel, CEO of one of the company’s largest franchisees, appeared on television to complain about the law and to announce that he would not be building more restaurants or hiring any more workers in response to his objections to Obamacare.

Applebee’s “pre-Terkel” Buzz score of 35 now sits at a pathetic 5.

I don’t imagine Mr. Terkel will be getting many Christmas cards this year from other Applebee’s franchise owners.

While these corporate complainers have sought to explain away the hit they are experiencing at the hands of the public’s perception, one such company is facing the music straight on. Darden Restaurants, Inc.— owner of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse—has lowered its profit projections for the quarter ending November 25th, acknowledging that its bad numbers are the result of poorly performing promotions, Superstorm Sandy and…wait for it…the poor publicity it engendered by its decision to test out a plan to cut back on healthcare costs by putting more workers on part-time schedules.

No clue how this "buzz" rating thing is, but if it's good enough for Forbes, it's good enough for me!

 

[Beerman462]

Crap chains with crap policies. Fuck em

 

[KHarvey16]

This is actually phase two of Obamacare. Less Applebees and Papa John's restaurants will reduce healthcare costs and eliminate the deficit.

 

[Volimar]

I liked Papa John's, but I boycotted after his remarks. Don't politicize my pizza, man.

 

[Riposte]

I once saw my cousin spit out a green worm after he took a bite out of his Applebee's burger.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Doesn't really mean much outside of temp bad press.

 

[Dance Inferno]

This is actually phase two of Obamacare. Less Applebees and Papa John's restaurants will reduce healthcare costs and eliminate the deficit.

Genius.

 

[blame space]

y'all ever go to applebee's.. after dark?

 

[SteveWinwood]

Doesn't really mean much outside of temp bad press.

While these corporate complainers have sought to explain away the hit they are experiencing at the hands of the public’s perception, one such company is facing the music straight on. Darden Restaurants, Inc.— owner of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse—has lowered its profit projections for the quarter ending November 25th, acknowledging that its bad numbers are the result of poorly performing promotions, Superstorm Sandy and…wait for it…the poor publicity it engendered by its decision to test out a plan to cut back on healthcare costs by putting more workers on part-time schedules.

Actually I'm going to put that in the op.

 

[NomarTyme]

Haven't been to applebees since forever.

 

[Clevinger]

I love how people already hated Denny's.

 

[Piecake]

Doesn't really mean much outside of temp bad press.

This temp bad press has translated into a loss of revenue that they will never make up even if their business goes back to normal after this bad press passes

 

[nckillthegrimace]

I thought Zane Terkel died in Moonraker.

 

[OJdaKiller]

Nothing 2 MILLION FREE PIZZAS can't fix.

 

[Concept17]

This is actually phase two of Obamacare. Less Applebees and Papa John's restaurants will reduce healthcare costs and eliminate the deficit.

I'm okay with this. Cardboard pizza with shit sauce and microwavable food belongs in the grocery store.

Most corporate-ran restaurant chains are terrible places to work at. Employees are often treated like shit and management is a joke.

 

[Horseticuffs]

Well, I hope these bastards and that Dairy Queen owning bastard learn to quit trying to hold back our country from joining the first-fucking-world in the future.

If it wouldn't cost people their jobs I'd hope their businesses failed and they ended up homeless and ruined. They deserve to know what it's like to need help and not be able to get it.

I don't mean to come off like a dick, but at least when I am a dick it doesn't impact millions of the working poor.

 

[SiteSeer]

its one thing to disagree on policy in the public, but to also threaten your worker's livelihood in public is something else completely. whatever bad reputations comes to those businesses, they've certainly earned it.

 

[Piecake]

Nothing 2 MILLION FREE PIZZAS can't fix.

Probably all poisoned so that we overburden the health care system and destroy it

 

[EatinOlives]

Good. The whole temper tantrum from these companies was embarrassing.

 

[TheOMan]

This is actually phase two of Obamacare. Less Applebees and Papa John's restaurants will reduce healthcare costs and eliminate the deficit.

Gah, I wanted to post something pretty similar to this.

 

[GhostWriter24]

"Buzz" ratings, lol. Take a look at their stocks, then you'll get a true gauge of how they're doing as a company.

This is Papa john's over the past 20 years:

 

[mavs]

Olive Garden and Red Lobster are owned by the same company? In hindsight, I should have been able to figure that one out.

 

[enzo_gt]

This is actually phase two of Obamacare. Less Applebees and Papa John's restaurants will reduce healthcare costs and eliminate the deficit.

Ether.

 

[Guevara]

Actually heart warming. Good job American consumers, I didn't think you had it in you to agitate on behalf of your fellow man.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpXAknykeg

 

[Gotchaye]

"Buzz" ratings, lol. Take a look at their stocks, then you'll get a true gauge of how they're doing as a company.

This is Papa john's over the past 20 years:

Why would you post a 20 year stock chart when we're talking about something that's only been going on for six months? Edit: Lol, and on a log scale.

 

[SteveWinwood]

"Buzz" ratings, lol. Take a look at their stocks, then you'll get a true gauge of how they're doing as a company.

This is Papa john's over the past 20 years:

And this is olive garden and red lobster over the last month:

Granted that probably has to do with them revising their profits.

Also how the hell can you tell anything from a picture of 20 years? Almost any mildly successful company is going to go up over that. And it's a log :/

 

[Acheron]

Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.

People like pizza without the politics, and if you are going to relate to a politician pick a better one than Mitt Romney.

 

[Risible]

I ate fried fish that some dude prepared for me in his "restaurant"/cave on the beach on one of the Greek isles on my honeymoon. The table was a big-ass rock, and the chairs were rickety plastic garden furniture.

Applebees makes that place look like haute cuisine.

I have never had worse food than I've had at Applebees.

 

[Acheron]

"Buzz" ratings, lol. Take a look at their stocks, then you'll get a true gauge of how they're doing as a company.

This is Papa john's over the past 20 years:

Stocks should (theoretically) represent the present value of future cash flows. It may be the case a declining brand image will impact sales and subsequently cause a downward revision in expectations of future Papa John's cash flows.

I personally am a bit ambivalent, while I don't think it would likely be a core reason for a stock price decline, I do think politicizing a fucking pizza chain can only lead down bad avenues.

 

[Link]

Yep, here's what I wrote about it a few days ago:

You publicly state that you're going to cut hours and pay because you don't want to provide health insurance to your employees, this is what's going to happen. All these idiot billionaire CEO's want to make this a political issue. Meanwhile, they're only hurting their own business.

 

[Gotchaye]

I ate fried fish that some dude prepared for me in his "restaurant"/cave on the beach on one of the Greek isles on my honeymoon. The table was a big-ass rock, and the chairs were rickety plastic garden furniture.

Applebees makes that place look like haute cuisine.

I have never had worse food than I've had at Applebees.

I liked these pizza sticks they had when I was a kid, maybe 15 years ago. Then the menu changed, and no pizza sticks. Fuck 'em.

 

[VALIS]

"Buzz" ratings, lol. Take a look at their stocks, then you'll get a true gauge of how they're doing as a company.

It's not about how they're doing as a company but that public opinion on them is low right now because of things said by representatives of their companies. Stock prices have to do with many factors.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Obama is bigger than Reagan confirmed

 

[Acheron]

I liked these pizza sticks they had when I was a kid, maybe 15 years ago. Then the menu changed, and no pizza sticks. Fuck 'em.

Speaking about that, Domino's brought back Twisty Bread (in Canada atleast). It's amazing what that garlic-y piexe of dough can mean to people.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Also how the hell can you tell anything from a picture of 20 years? Almost any mildly successful company is going to go up over that. And it's a log :/

How the hell can you tell anything over one quarter performance report?

 

[Kastrioti]

I liked Papa John's, but I boycotted after his remarks. Don't politicize my pizza, man.

 

[Piecake]

How the hell can you tell anything over one quarter performance report?

whether sales dropped when they declared that they were going to cut hours for their employees so that they could not pay them healthcare?

 

[TheExecutive]

Of course they hate it. I don't blame them- they have to pay more money to have employees. However, Obama was re-elected so they should get used to it instead of throwing money away

 

[SteveWinwood]

How the hell can you tell anything over one quarter performance report?

How well they did that quarter?

Is this a trick question?

 

[Jhriad]

I wonder how many Forbes contributor articles get posted on GAF every week.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I wonder how many Forbes contributor articles get posted on GAF every week.

I'm pretty sure it's all this Rick Ungar guy too!

His picture makes him look like a tool though. You're too old to pop your collar bro.

 

[way more]

Why would you post a 20 year stock chart when we're talking about something that's only been going on for six months? Edit: Lol, and on a log scale.

Bingo. Great pollstering attempt on his part, anyway.

 

[Tapiozona]

How the hell can you tell anything over one quarter performance report?

Umm, because that would directly show a direct correlation between Papa John's comments and a loss in revenue if one was present. Showing 20 years of their stock history does nothing to address the current situation and what this thread is about.

 

[LuchaShaq]

Crap chains with crap policies. Fuck em

This.


At least when I go to the local burger shop I know the racist asshole (with great fucking food) who owns the place is only fucking over 2-3 employees not thousands.


You want to play politics? Don't be surprised when people choose generic shit chain B over your generic shit chain C even if the other one has just as bad if not worse policies.

 

[DietRob]

The remarks by Schnatter were finally enough to get my wife to quit ordering that piece of rubber he calls a pizza. Thank you Papa.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

I wonder how that guy who hugged Obama is doing.

 

[commedieu]

did my part, and I enjoy papa johns. Just not enough to sell out my fellow citizens.

 

[LuchaShaq]

I wonder how that guy who hugged Obama is doing.

From what I remember he got a metric shit ton of people trying to harass him with threats, but when that story came out business boomed as a reaction from good people to the reaction from the shitheads.

That said I have no idea if the boom or harassment persisted after those couple of weeks.

 

[demon]

There's a local pizza place called Ian's here in Madison WI that is pretty popular and has good pizza. Just read an article in a local paper recently about how the owner came out in support of Obamacare in response to Papa John, and subsequently got invited to the White House. Their business is doing great too, just moved to a much nicer, larger location.
http://www.progressive.org/small-business-pizza-owner-sticks-up-for-health-care
That so fucking hard, John?