Passersby Struck by [Deaf] Driver Amid Comic-Con Zombie Walk
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Snkfanatic
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What the hell at the guy trying to get the passenger out of the car.
The driver made a mistake trying to drive through the crowd, although you can't say the crowd was in the right at all blocking the entire road, making no attempt to move and mocking the car. They legally had no right to be doing what they were doing without a permit.
After the mistake of entering into the crowd tepidly with the car, I can't find any fault with the driver (no one was hurt at this point btw). The crowd, now a mob, reacted violently and threatened the safety of the family of the driver. Mob mentality is a dangerous thing, and people behave violently and do things they wouldn't do if they didn't feel so secure as part of a large group.
Fault to go all around here, but really the driver shouldn't be responsible for anything more than the initial, tepid entrance into the crowd in an attempt to go through. It wasn't an entirely unreasonable attempt. Any pedestrian who has been to a crowded event with vehicle traffic has had to move for slow-moving cars parting through crowds, it's always part of the deal and it's the only way to get through many areas when things are crowded.
After the mistake of entering into the crowd tepidly with the car, I can't find any fault with the driver (no one was hurt at this point btw). The crowd, now a mob, reacted violently and threatened the safety of the family of the driver. Mob mentality is a dangerous thing, and people behave violently and do things they wouldn't do if they didn't feel so secure as part of a large group.
Fault to go all around here, but really the driver shouldn't be responsible for anything more than the initial, tepid entrance into the crowd in an attempt to go through. It wasn't an entirely unreasonable attempt. Any pedestrian who has been to a crowded event with vehicle traffic has had to move for slow-moving cars parting through crowds, it's always part of the deal and it's the only way to get through many areas when things are crowded.
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Deleted member 17706
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What makes it a normal question? I'm just trying to think how their being deaf would be relevant to the situation at hand given the video that has surfaced.
Lone_Prodigy
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Crowd should know better than to antagonize someone driving something that can run them over.
Driver should know better than to accelerate irresponsibly into a crowd, knowing that he can run them over.
Driver should know better than to accelerate irresponsibly into a crowd, knowing that he can run them over.
Woffls
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There's a small amount of fault with the driver not waiting longer, but if the kids in the back of the car are scared then you've got to look out for them. That said, he put them at greater risk by trying to drive through the crowd.
A few minutes might have made this a non-issue, but I'm definitely on the driver's side with this one. The crowds were giving no regard to their surroundings, and should not have been on the road when traffic is trying to get through.
The crowd's reaction to the car trying to get through is pitiful. They make no attempt to move, and actually try to obstruct the car, as if they're entitled to be there and the car isn't.
At this point it just gets out of hand. If you've got kids in the car and some people - who are by this point an actual mindless mob - are hitting the car in a threatening manner, then y'know what, fuck 'em.
A few minutes might have made this a non-issue, but I'm definitely on the driver's side with this one. The crowds were giving no regard to their surroundings, and should not have been on the road when traffic is trying to get through.
The crowd's reaction to the car trying to get through is pitiful. They make no attempt to move, and actually try to obstruct the car, as if they're entitled to be there and the car isn't.
At this point it just gets out of hand. If you've got kids in the car and some people - who are by this point an actual mindless mob - are hitting the car in a threatening manner, then y'know what, fuck 'em.
Freaky Fred
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someone was asking if the entire family was deaf. I don't think they were assuming it was the cause of this incident, or was really relevant at all, but were just curious since the article in the OP says "a deaf family"
it's okay to ask questions
PhantomHound
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Someone clearly yells "flip that car." I'd get the fuck outa there too.
The driver couldn't hear the people.
Considering this mob was on the verge of forcefully ripping out the passenger from the car, I'd say voluntarily getting out the car isn't such a good idea. This situation almost exactly happened a month ago during the WC where a bunch of supports crowded the streets without a permit or having the roads closed and were surprised someone tried to go up the road with their car. Eventually car got surrounded and banged on and then the rear window was shattered and he took off.
I didn't blame that driver then and I certainly don't blame this one.
Neuromancer
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Had that been an actual attack, the driver did the exact right thing. A zombie apocalypse is no time to start getting sentimental.
I want to be really diplomatic in saying this and I might be missing something, but... he can still see there's a bunch of people in front of him... right?
How many options did the driver have? Get out the car and try and speak with someone, go get some help from the car behind, reverse slowly with your indicators on, call the police using a minicom service. Anything!
fallingseastar
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Ok, first off, I wasn't aware that deaf people could drive. I just assumed that being able to hear sirens, etc was important to driving.
Second, if you approach a road that is blocked by a crowd of people, you do not fucking inch your way through them. You stop your vehicle and wait, or find another way around. They were just normally dressed people in the middle of the day. No reason to feel threatened.
This reminds me of that car that drove through a bunch of cyclists doing critical mass, but with much less carnage.
Second, if you approach a road that is blocked by a crowd of people, you do not fucking inch your way through them. You stop your vehicle and wait, or find another way around. They were just normally dressed people in the middle of the day. No reason to feel threatened.
This reminds me of that car that drove through a bunch of cyclists doing critical mass, but with much less carnage.
CeramicDragon
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Idiotic me first driver. Typical socal driver. He barely waited a few sec. Deaf. Dumb and stupid.
Why is everyone angry that they mentioned them being deaf? They mention the race all the time when it doesn't have to do with anything.
Why is everyone angry that they mentioned them being deaf? They mention the race all the time when it doesn't have to do with anything.
CeramicDragon
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Moral Panic
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"FLIP THAT CAR"
In any case I blame the organisers/the city for letting that situation exist. Although the driver seems to have gotten spooked unnecessarily, being put in such a stressful situation could potentially cause anyone to make bad decisions.
In any case I blame the organisers/the city for letting that situation exist. Although the driver seems to have gotten spooked unnecessarily, being put in such a stressful situation could potentially cause anyone to make bad decisions.
I'm from the UK so it might have a different name in the states, but over here there's a really old service called a 'minicom' which is used by disabled people and those with hearing problems to use emergency and other phone services. It's a teletype service basically, been around for decades.
CeramicDragon
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The people didn't crowd the car. Idiot driver keep inching forward. So reckless. You can u-turn and go around. It's not like he was driving thru the crowd in ARGO in Iran.
City had nothing to do with it, it's already been confirmed that the group that organized the walk on facebook had no permit.
Moral Panic
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So? The city knew this event was occurring.
It's not, it's just something a bunch of people do of there own accord. They are kinda dickheads about it honestly, I live in San Diego and have seen them do it. They don't follow traffic laws, and just kind of clog the street as you can see from the video.
You've never been to downtown San Diego I take it. The streets are tiny, there's no way to flip a U.
jamesinclair
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The driver purposely drove into pedestrians crossing the street.
Should be jailed and have license removed.
I'm not excusing the people attacking the car, but the driver incited the entire incident probably due to impatience
SteveWinwood
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its not hard to gently part as a crowd to let a car through jesus
why would you be jumping on top of a vehicle and pounding on windows
why would you be jumping on top of a vehicle and pounding on windows
Yes, you can clearly see it in the slow-mo video (passenger side rear door), but that video has been taken down for some reason.
adamsappel
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Can someone point me to a driving manual which says it's okay to drive into a crowd of pedestrians, even "tepidly"? I get that it's a pain in the ass to wait for idiots to walk across the street (especially if they did not obtain the proper permits!), but driving through pedestrians is dangerous, not merely annoying.
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As a driver, your first and foremost goal should be to not hit anyone.
Locke Lamora
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Summary of the incident:
No excuses here for the driver in my opinion. Cars have a reverse gear for a reason if the street in front of you is blocked with PEOPLE, dude.
No excuses here for the driver in my opinion. Cars have a reverse gear for a reason if the street in front of you is blocked with PEOPLE, dude.
jamesinclair
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http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/comic-con-hit-and-run-zombie-march/
Also, to those of you blaiming the victims here: Take a long hard look in the mirror.
Being MILDLY inconvenienced while sitting inside a comfortable climate controlled vehicle does not even justify use of the horn (which would be illegal in California for this situation btw).
If you cant handle a mild delay, as one might find at a train crossing, rush hour traffic, construction etc without ENDANGERING DOZENS OF PEOPLE you shouldnt have a license, period.
It doesnt matter how annoying the people in front of you are. Unless youre frantically trying to reach a hospital, there is ZERO justification to launch your 6,000 pound vehicle into a crowd. Ever.
LaserBuddha
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The person who was struck is the victim, not the whole crowd, and the people beating on the car and trying to break into it are the perpetrators.
Moving the car forward and honking the horn is a dick move. It also is an event that PRECEDED the incident in question.
Honking a horn and lurching forward didn't get people hurt. Forcing someone in a car to flee for fear of their family's safety is what got people hurt. And really, trying to assault someone for honking makes the honking itself look like the act of a saint. If you can't handle someone honking without swinging your big balls around and trying to mob them like the coward you are, you shouldn't walk around in public.
"Take a long hard look in the mirror",. lol, spare me the sanctimonious bullshit.
Stormhammer
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I thought someone mentioned some people were just sitting in the road not moving with the flow of people at all? Also in your quote, "do not block foot or auto traffic" and it seems to me in that video they were blocking auto traffic. I think someone also mentioned the people had been waiting over 20 minutes or so to get past the crowd?
Also, a 4 door Honda isn't a 6,000lb vehicle.
Lone_Prodigy
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For those of you who said the driver was only waiting a few seconds, that's just what the video shows. I've heard it was as long as 10 minutes, but a 10-minute video is boring.
As a pedestrian, I don't stand in the middle of a street, crosswalk or no. Sure I'm protected by some lines painted on the street and right-of-way, but moral high ground doesn't make me heal faster from injury.
As a pedestrian, I don't stand in the middle of a street, crosswalk or no. Sure I'm protected by some lines painted on the street and right-of-way, but moral high ground doesn't make me heal faster from injury.
They sat there for 10 mins while these people just kinda clogged the road doing there stupid zombie shuffle. They really don't give a fly fuck for traffic laws, or other peoples time. He slowly pushed into them and honked his horn letting them know to get out of the way. Most normal crowds are going to part to let the 6000lbs car past, but they decided it was better to get on his hood and pound his windshield and try to open his car doors, so fuck them.
Well this is all kinds of stupid. People shouldn't be clogging up roads much less harassing vehicles that try to drive by.
It sucks that an old lady was hurt in the chaos, and the driver shouldn't have accelerated so damn fast, but god damn people it's the mob mentality's fault as it usually is in these cases. They didn't give a shit about traffic laws or the driver and his family, and it's abundantly clear in the videos as well.
It sucks that an old lady was hurt in the chaos, and the driver shouldn't have accelerated so damn fast, but god damn people it's the mob mentality's fault as it usually is in these cases. They didn't give a shit about traffic laws or the driver and his family, and it's abundantly clear in the videos as well.
Valkyr Junkie
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Most normal drivers would just pull a 3-point-turn, which the driver had plenty of space to do judging from the video. Hell, why you would even wait 10 minutes is beyond me. Drivers always have more of a responsibility to behave appropriately in a situation versus pedestrians. It's the reason you need a license to drive a 6000lb (more like 3500lb) moving hunk of metal, but not to use crosswalks. The fact an innocent person could have died in this scenario is not unexpected at all when you answer a "wrong" with a "wrong"
It's a tiny street clogged with people, how are they going to pull a 3 point turn? Also I said 6000 because the poster did, I know a Honda is light.
I don't know what way they were going, but any way is going to be packed with cars, and people. Good luck turning around.
TAJ
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No way were they sitting there for 10 minutes. There's no one behind them, and the other side of the intersection is only a handful of cars deep.
The Faceless Master
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do Pedestrians have the right of way in California? if so, then the driver is definitely at fault for instigating the situation by inching forward.
Driver simply cannot do that. Scared, impatient, or whatever...you simply cannot drive your vehicle into pedestrians--full stop.
Traffic blocked? Car getting damaged? Call the police. Otherwise...deal with it.
Unless someone is putting/threatening your life in/with imminent danger: You. Can't. Do. That.
As a long time driver and even longer ped/bus rider, I respect the laws and pedestrians whether they're in the right or not.
Traffic blocked? Car getting damaged? Call the police. Otherwise...deal with it.
Unless someone is putting/threatening your life in/with imminent danger: You. Can't. Do. That.
As a long time driver and even longer ped/bus rider, I respect the laws and pedestrians whether they're in the right or not.
This is completely spot on.
I watched the video.
I didn't see anyone in the crowd dressed up as a zombie, so I'm kinda skeptical about the "my kids were scared so we couldn't wait for the crowd to disperse" excuse.
It looked to me like the driver got impatient.
But people sitting on the car and that guy yanking the door open toward the end? They're idiots, too.
I didn't see anyone in the crowd dressed up as a zombie, so I'm kinda skeptical about the "my kids were scared so we couldn't wait for the crowd to disperse" excuse.
It looked to me like the driver got impatient.
But people sitting on the car and that guy yanking the door open toward the end? They're idiots, too.
SocksAndShoes
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That driver is ridiculous. I don't see why you have to freak out and plow through a crowded group of people like that. If someone is trying to pull a passenger out of your car, you call the police. You don't gun your car forward into other people.
Having said that, the idiot who sat on the guy's car is at fault here as well. Walking around in a large group doesn't give you the right to mess with someone else's property.
Having said that, the idiot who sat on the guy's car is at fault here as well. Walking around in a large group doesn't give you the right to mess with someone else's property.
I'm sorry, but this is idiotic to me. Really...? You'd be willing to injure or risk the lives of people just to make a point of wanting to go forward or through them?
Or better yet: What if YOU were a pedestrian just passing through? Perhaps to catch up with friends in the march or just get to the other side of the street? And then the car came through (for any reason whatsoever) and struck you innocently? That's part of what happened here as well.
...still doesn't justify vehicular assault.
Drivers aren't in danger here, however. They're stopped. Jaywalking fines are traditionally issued because pedestrians put themselves and drivers, who are moving at actual driving speeds, in heavy danger. The hood jumper would get nothing more than a warning, as he caused no actual damage (supposedly, and I could be wrong) to the vehicle. Much worse happens to my car when I park it at the mall than in this incident.
This was all an residual effect due to the walk that happened about 10 minutes prior. It's not uncommon for people to do this as a social norm--not to say it's fully justified. But if people refuse to move and are blocking a public access road, then call the cops...that simple. No driver on the planet has the right to use their vehicle as a weapon unless their life is in imminent danger.
This is all purely my opinion on the incident.
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