Abstruse Moose
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It's ugly from a PR standpoint, but until he's charged with something he's gets treated like he did before the allegation happened. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Patrick Kane Accusers Attorney: Rape Kit Evidence Tampered with (Up: Faked)
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It's ugly from a PR standpoint, but until he's charged with something he's gets treated like he did before the allegation happened. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
An empty evidence bag on the mother's doorstep of a woman who is accusing Chicago's current most successful professional athlete of rape.
Tell me where that doesn't suggest threat?
That's kind of... uh, not cool.
Not just an empty evidence bag. THE evidence bag from her daughter's case. The assumption being someone witnessed or found the kit that was tampered with and thrown away and delivered it anonymously to the family of the victim.
CharlieDigital
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It would be quite risky as a threat; only a limited number of individuals should have access to that evidence so it would easily implicate a member of the police.
On the other hand, if it "disappeared" or they lost track of it, it would be simple incompetence unless proven otherwise as malicious. This is a much safer route to take if you want to make the evidence disappear rather than taking it and then displaying it again.
It does make more sense as an act of a good Samaritan. Possibly another officer that saw the kit in the garbage or maybe even a janitor and decided that something had to be done.
...that's pretty much what I was implying.
You were implying it's not a reasonable threat.
LyleLanley
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"Patrick Kane attorney tells Trib that his client would be hurt most by tampered evidence because they can't do their own testing if needed" - @StacyStClair
Hmm, interesting position to take.
Hmm, interesting position to take.
You work for a criminal organization?
Squirrel Killer
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Lots of people get investigated for lots of things. Assuming the investigation isn't about anything job related, yes, you should be able to continue doing your day job. That said, Kane's job isn't to play hockey, it's to get people to pay to watch him play hockey.
massivekettle
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Are we now guilty before proven innocent?
Kane has not been formally charged yet people here are acting as if he were guilty.
Kane has not been formally charged yet people here are acting as if he were guilty.
It's also a ridiculous position. Who would benefit from tampering depends on what the original evidence was before it was tampered with.
HawksWinStanley
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Doesn't this seem like something that could figured out pretty quickly? I mean police have to sign in and out of the evidence room and aren't those constantly being recorded?
You'd thinking finding the break in the chain would happen pretty fast.
You'd thinking finding the break in the chain would happen pretty fast.
I'm implying it would be stupid. What kind of message are you sending by tampering with evidence, and then leaving the proof of that tampering on the doorstep of the victims mother? That's not a threat. That just brings widespread news coverage right back onto the person you're attempting to aid.
LyleLanley
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It should be noted that I was being sarcastic there.
Because all innocent people are exonerated, and only guilty people ever go to jail.
And the justice system is rainbows and sparkles and perfect (just like right now!)
The point of the matter is, this event means this evidence is likely not admissable and thus the trial is going to be impaired. I will always associate Patrick Kane with this, and I cannot think that he did not do something here.
"This is a message of what we think about your lying daughter's case."
Not quite accurate. Accuser's lawyer was asked what the motivation could be for someone to drop the evidence bag at the house. The lawyer said that he didn't know, but speculated that it could very well have been a 'Good Samaritan'.
Sho_Nuff82
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"Good samaritan" or "not so friendly warning to back off?"
In either scenario that's a black eye for Chicago PD.
In either scenario that's a black eye for Chicago PD.
Simon Belmont
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That makes the most sense to me. Calling attention to the fact that the evidence has been mishandled by the police would be a pretty damned ballsy thing for the police to do.
From the Buffalo News 3 days ago:
So if that's true, the police have more to look at than just the rape kit to go after Kane with.
I think this happened in Buffalo.
So if that's true, the police have more to look at than just the rape kit to go after Kane with.
I think this happened in Buffalo.
It could absolutely be either. The lawyer's tone was spot on. He sounded pissed the entire time, without really throwing blame around.
His "good samaritan" comment would contrast perfectly if the story turns to "pissed cop".
HawksWinStanley
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This is happening in NY...
excelsiorlef
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Buffalo PD
Squirrel Killer
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Why?
massivekettle
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Way to be prejudiced...
If there was enough evidence to charge him, he would have been charged long ago. The fact that this is dragging on and on does not look so good for the accuser.
It happened in Buffalo where Kane is from.
CreeperBlocks
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It's actually happening in Buffalo NY.
SliceSabre
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Regardless he is still innocent until proven guilty. Hell the man hasn't even been charged yet.
Yes this is a very bad look, but as of right now there is no proof he had anything to do with this. Also it is not outside the realm of possibility that some fan felt they were doing him a favor by doing this even though Kane had nothing to do with it.
Just be devils advocate, there is the possibility, Kane did not rape her and someone close to the women destroyed the evidence and make it appear very threatening. Right now this appears to hurt Kane and really sway public opinion to the women. She appears to be the person that gains from this. If the evidence was not strong enough to help her case destroying it only makes it look stronger.
RavenSan
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Considering the law is "innocent until proven guilty" -- yes.
Sho_Nuff82
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My apologies on the location. It would be black eye on their organization if they a) allowed evidence of a high profile case to be tampered with while in their possession, or b) they allowed the same as a), but then rubbed it in.
Simon Belmont
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The second part of your post disagrees with the first part. He hasn't been put in jail so he's obviously enjoying the benefit of being presumed innocent.
The court of public opinion is entitled to pass judgement however they want; they're not allowed to pass sanctions so the stakes are pretty low.
bananafactory
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A rape kit was performed the day of the attack. If there was no rape I imagine that would have probably been known by now. The delay in formal charges is likely just building the case and evidence.
Im aware innocent until proven guilty but in this instance allowing Kane to remain on the roster seems like a bad judgement call.
Everyone's saying holy shit, but I can't make heads or tails of what this story actually is. Is the implication that someone had access to the evidence locker, tried to dispose of the rape kit, then a third-party found said rape kit in the garbage and left it on the accuser's mother's doorstep as a way of making sure it was returned to the police?
excelsiorlef
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Way to be prejudiced...
If there was enough evidence to charge him, he would have been charged long ago. The fact that this is dragging on and on does not look so good for the accuser.
Yeah because we all know that rape victims always get swift justice.
How would some close to her gain access? That's some hella false flagging you're suggesting.
I'm not sure who would even be in a position to take that piece of evidence. It has to be somebody within the police force, correct? Or are the legal teams given access to evidence to some extant for working on their cases? Somebody from the lab? Or is there no real protocol enforced and nobody knows wtf happened.
The only thing I know about police evidence is what I learned from TV shows. Big shelved room with a desk person who controls the library like system. Can't be too hard to figure out.
The only thing I know about police evidence is what I learned from TV shows. Big shelved room with a desk person who controls the library like system. Can't be too hard to figure out.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I refuse to believe the Blackhawks organization would tamper with evidence. I refuse. They always conduct themselves in a very dignified manner.
This is an incredible twist though. I still don't want to think he did it.
And he has every right to be at training camp. Denying him the chance is basically saying he is guilty, when he hasn't even been charged with anything.
This is an incredible twist though. I still don't want to think he did it.
And he has every right to be at training camp. Denying him the chance is basically saying he is guilty, when he hasn't even been charged with anything.
It goes both ways, no women has ever cried rape on a rich high profile athlete or celebrity. That is why we need to have a trial and let the facts come out.
SliceSabre
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Because if he ever got charged and they tried to use the rape kit any defense attorney worth their salt would motion to have it tossed out because the evidence has been tempered with.
The other issue at play is the fact that it had to have been a cop who did this since they are the ones with access to the evidence room. The other possible issue is that maybe Kane didn't even rape this woman and thus the actual rapist is probably getting away with a crime because of tempered evidence.
ElectricBlanketFire
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He needs to sit down ASAP. This is at best a PR nightmare and at worst pure evil.
I agree that Kane shouldn't be practicing but this is always a weak argument and it doesn't have to do with anything.
My job can probably find a replacement for me within 5 minutes wheras Kane is an elite talent responsible for millions of dollars. It's ugly but $ will always talk louder.
That is where Bettman needs to step in.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
"Sit down" how? What do you mean?
He absolutely should be practicing with the team as normal.
Who appears to have the most to gain from this? Right now it seems clearly the women has gained the most. The rape kit evidence is not required for conviction. It will come down to he says, she says and who the jury believes.
CharlieDigital
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Do you know about the huge backlog of rape kits in this country that need to be tested? We're talking about decades worth of backlogs. I heard this story just the other day:
http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2015/09/14/rape-kit-backlog-grants
Police Agencies Get Money To Test Backlog Of Rape Kits
The Manhattan District Attorney’s office and the U.S. Department of Justice are giving $79 million to 43 police agencies across the country to process rape kits that, in some places, have sat untested for years.
It’s estimated that there’s a backlog of 70,000 sexual assault evidence kits in laboratories or police storage, meaning that forensic evidence has not been tested or used to identify perpetrators.
It’s estimated that there’s a backlog of 70,000 sexual assault evidence kits in laboratories or police storage, meaning that forensic evidence has not been tested or used to identify perpetrators.
This is why the "Good Samaritan" scenario makes the most sense since Kane stands to benefit the most if the evidence "disappeared" or was "lost". In this case, the "Good Samaritan" retrieved the evidence after it was disposed of and produced it to the plaintiff ostensibly to prevent an injustice.
How likely is it that she or an associate could have gained access to police evidence cells?
yea like building a statue of a known domestic abuser outside their rink
incredibly dignified
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