Patrick Kane Accusers Attorney: Rape Kit Evidence Tampered with (Up: Faked)

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Hopefully someone was trying to help the case and comes forward, but its disgusting that the evidence was tampered with in the first place.

Another significant part of the press conference is that her lawyer said that there are no settlement talks and he's never settled a criminal case.
 
Simon Belmont said:
The second part of your post disagrees with the first part. He hasn't been put in jail so he's obviously enjoying the benefit of being presumed innocent.

The court of public opinion is entitled to pass judgement however they want; they're not allowed to pass sanctions so the stakes are pretty low.
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Of course. If you want to ignore the facts and be prejudiced... It'd be morally wrong to treat Kane as a rapist (right now). It's clear cut black and white.
 
If the story from the other day that there's no link to Kane in the rape kit is true, it would make no sense that he'd want it tampered with.
 
darscot said:
Who appears to have the most to gain from this? Right now it seems clearly the women has gained the most. The rape kit evidence is not required for conviction. It will come down to he says, she says and who the jury believes.
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This is some straight up Alex Jones conspiracy shit.

It's far more likely who ever tampered with it meant for it to flat out dissappear.

So your who benefits scenario ignores that element.
 
thelatestmodel said:
I refuse to believe the Blackhawks organization would tamper with evidence. I refuse. They always conduct themselves in a very dignified manner.

This is an incredible twist though. I still don't want to think he did it.

And he has every right to be at training camp. Denying him the chance is basically saying he is guilty, when he hasn't even been charged with anything.
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I never really understood this. I don't think it's anyone's right to play a professional sport. I don't think he should be thrown in jail or considered legally guilty before a proper trial or whatever, but playing hockey? That doesn't seem all that important tbh. He should be step away from the team until this circus is over.

Samyy said:
Because all innocent people are exonerated, and only guilty people ever go to jail.
And the justice system is rainbows and sparkles and perfect (just like right now!)

The point of the matter is, this event means this evidence is likely not admissable and thus the trial is going to be impaired. I will always associate Patrick Kane with this, and I cannot think that he did not do something here.
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Totally agreed. I'm not a judge and I ain't on the jury so to me, this looks sketchy as fuck for Kane.
 
CharlieDigital said:
This is why the "Good Samaritan" scenario makes the most sense since Kane stands to benefit the most if the evidence "disappeared" or was "lost".

How likely is it that she or an associate could have gained access to police evidence cells?
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A policeman is just as likely to be close to her as to him. Why would it be easier for the people close to Kane to get access? The whole case is crazy, if it turned out she had a cop as accomplice in a frame up it would not surprise me in the least. It also would not surprise me if Kane raped her and someone thought they where helping him did it. Right now this hurts him though, if that rape kit would have shown there was no evidence linking him he is fucked now. If it did show evidence it still comes down to consent and public opinion.
 
Fjordson said:
I never really understood this. I don't think it's anyone's right to play a professional sport. I don't think he should be thrown in jail or considered legally guilty before a proper trial or whatever, but playing hockey? That doesn't seem all that important tbh. He should be step away from the team until this circus is over.
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No.

It is his right to turn up and play as per the terms of his contract. In fact that is what he is expected to do.

Barring him from training camp sends the message that the organization thinks he is guilty. You cannot set a precedent like that - proceed as normal until you know the facts. He needs to practice with the team, shake the rust off and warm up for another season as normal.

ElectricBlanketFire said:
No he shouldn't. Even if he's not guilty, this is conduct detrimental to the team as outlined in the collective bargaining agreement.
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Absolutely not, this is ridiculous. Again, he hasn't been charged, nobody knows what happened. Please stop playing backseat lawyers, thanks.
 
Simon Belmont said:
I fixed your post for you.

The second part of your post contains language suggesting you don't think Kane did anything, which is your own interpretation of events.
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Not really. Those are facts. It's been 6+ weeks. He hasn't been charged with anything.

If he is charged and found guilty, then my stance will change. Until then, I will do what's right and treat him like an innocent person.
 
excelsiorlef said:
This is some straight up Alex Jones conspiracy shit.

It's far more likely who ever tampered with it meant for it to flat out dissappear.

So your who benefits scenario ignores that element.
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You have to be pretty fucking useless to have the evidence in your position with the sole intention of destroying it and it ends up on the victims front porch. Is it really that hard to dispose of a bag? The whole story is fucked and right now I haven't got a clue and nothing would surprise me
 
darscot said:
A policeman is just as likely to be close to her as to him.
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One party is a multi-millionaire and one party is not. One party is a sports star and the other is not. Hmmm.....

darscot said:
Right now this hurts him though, if that rape kit would have shown there was no evidence linking him he is fucked now. If it did show evidence it still comes down to consent and public opinion.
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Again, you are not thinking this through.

In either case, whether the evidence favored Kane or Plaintiff, the best strategy is for the evidence to disappear. So even if the evidence favored Kane and Plaintiff knew this, the best strategy is for the evidence to disappear if Plaintiff was able to get a hold of the evidence somehow.

The fact that it did not disappear lends more credence to the "Good Samaritan" scenario and an associate working for Kane's side tampering with the evidence.

It was tampered with and tossed out by police and retrieved by a good Samaritan (another officer? a janitor?).

If I was the Good Samaritan in this case, I'd also want to stay anonymous for fear or retribution whether I was an officer or a janitor.
 
Like someone said earlier wasn't there a report earlier of Kane not being linked to the rape Kit? If that is true it would make no sense for him or anyone close to him to do this.

This one hell of a development though
 
Boke1879 said:
Like someone said earlier wasn't there a report earlier of Kane not being linked to the rape Kit? If that is true it would make no sense for him or anyone close to him to do this.

This one hell of a development though
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Uh that could have been leaked after the tampering, you dont know where that information came from.
 
Boke1879 said:
Like someone said earlier wasn't there a report earlier of Kane not being linked to the rape Kit? If that is true it would make no sense for him or anyone close to him to do this.

This one hell of a development though
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Yep, from ESPN three days ago.

ElectricBlanketFire said:
A history of borish behavior and rape investigation now featuring tampered evidence?

Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for 6 games with no conviction.
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And if he fought the suspension in court, he'd have won. Boorish behavior doesn't get you kicked off of teams when you're one of the best players in the world.
 
CharlieDigital said:
One party is a multi-millionaire and one party is not. One party is a sports star and the other is not. Hmmm.....



Again, you are not thinking this through.

In either case, whether the evidence favored Kane or Plaintiff, the best strategy is for the evidence to disappear. So even if the evidence favored Kane and Plaintiff knew this, the best strategy is for the evidence to disappear if Plaintiff was able to get a hold of the evidence somehow.

The fact that it did not disappear lends more credence to the "Good Samaritan" scenario and an associate working for Kane's side tampering with the evidence.
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You are missing the point that the Rape Kit evidence is not required in a court of law for a conviction. It can't prove anything.
 
darscot said:
You are missing the point that the Rape Kit evidence is not required in a court of law for a conviction. It can't prove anything.
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It is still a critical piece of evidence, otherwise, no one would give a shit about it.

Also does not change the fact that strategically, whether it favored Kane or Plaintiff, the best strategy is for it to disappear (which was probably the intent).
 
Samyy said:
Again, YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHERE THAT INFORMATION CAME FROM
"Sources"????
How do we know that this wasn't leaked AFTER the tampering took place?

Theres no way to know.
You can say anything about if he would have won or lost.
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The hell are you yelling about? Have a conversation like a normal person.

Kifimbo said:
As far as I know, it's a leaked story, not an official one.
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That is true. "Sources" are what's mentioned. It could be anyone.
 
thelatestmodel said:
No.

It is his right to turn up and play as per the terms of his contract. In fact that is what he is expected to do.

Barring him from training camp sends the message that the organization thinks he is guilty. You cannot set a precedent like that - proceed as normal until you know the facts. He needs to practice with the team, shake the rust off and warm up for another season as normal.
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Still disagree with this. "Shaking the rust off" and warming up for another season is so unimportant in the grand scheme of things. It's hockey. His legal battle is infinitely more serious and it's a bad look for the organization to proceed as normal. Because things are not normal right now for Patrick Kane.
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
No he shouldn't. Even if he's not guilty, this is conduct detrimental to the team as outlined in the collective bargaining agreement.
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It's a whole can of worms getting into the CBA and interpretations or rules. The Hawks clearly don't think he broke any rules just yet to warrant keeping him away from the team. Barring him from training camp could also have the NHLPA biting at the organization.

On the whole, it would've been at the Hawks' best interests to keep him away from the team while the investigation is ongoing by either having him train privately and independently, or to have him stay home. But the Hawks fucked up either way by holding a press conference focused entirely on Kane but not completely address the elephant in the room.
 
Troy said:
Neither of which you or anyone has proven he's committed. He hasn't even been accused yet.
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He has been accused. He hasn't been charged.

The NHL and the team both have insane reach when it comes to suspension. The CBA is quite clear about their power to do it, it's not the same as Brady and the NFL. They CAN tell him to go home.

And if it were, say, David Runblad - they would.
 
Fjordson said:
Still disagree with this. "Shaking the rust off" and warming up for another season is so unimportant in the grand scheme of things. It's hockey. His legal battle is infinitely more serious and it's a bad look for the organization to proceed as normal. Because things are not normal right now for Patrick Kane.
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Well I'm sorry, I don't agree.

It sends a message of suspicion to keep him out of camp. That's not fair until you know the facts, and would be an even worse look for the organization.

They won't tolerate rapists on the team, sure, but barring every player who even gets accused of rape? Bit much. False accusations do happen.
 
LyleLanley said:
The accusers attorney believes that it was done by a good Samaritan that found the evidence in the trash.
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Good on the person that delivered it in that case.

But now the case becomes a matter of "he said, she said" instead of actual evidence. Ugh.
 
Sheroking said:
He has been accused. He hasn't been charged.

The NHL and the team both have insane reach when it comes to suspension. The CBA is quite clear about their power to do it, it's not the same as Brady and the NFL. They CAN tell him to go home.

And if it were, say, David Runblad - they would.
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It's the same CBA that was used against Ray Rice and Adrian Petterson, who both won when they took it to court.

DeathoftheEndless said:
He's been accused, he hasn't been charged. Based what her lawyer said today, I think he will be at some point.
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Yeah, I changed my wording after the fact. Obviously she's accused him of it. My mistake. Was just surprised it was taking the police so long to charge him, and then the other day we got a reason about why it might have been taking that long.
 
darscot said:
A policeman is just as likely to be close to her as to him.
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I don't think so

An off-duty Buffalo police lieutenant served as Patrick Kane’s chauffeur on the night the hockey star was accused of raping a young woman in his Town of Hamburg home.

Lt. Thomas English told The Buffalo News that he drove Kane, the alleged rape victim, her female friend and a male friend of Kane’s to the National Hockey League player’s home on Old Lake Shore Road early on the morning of Aug. 2.

English said investigators from the Erie County District Attorney’s Office have interviewed him as they investigate the allegation against Kane.

English said he supports Kane, a longtime family friend who has employed him for the past five years. In photos that could be viewed on English’s Facebook page as recently as Thursday, he is seen with the Stanley Cup at a celebration with Kane in 2010.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/city-reg...anes-driver-on-night-of-alleged-rape-20150815
 
Sheroking said:
He has been accused. He hasn't been charged.

The NHL and the team both have insane reach when it comes to suspension. The CBA is quite clear about their power to do it, it's not the same as Brady and the NFL. They CAN tell him to go home.

And if it were, say, David Runblad - they would.
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They should do this anyway.
 
https://twitter.com/Lahlahlindsey/status/646752172978368512

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As horrible as this is, couldn't it have farther reaching implications? Anything that went through that evidence locker or lab would be called into question now. LawyerGAF?
 
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