GrayChild
Member
Turns out Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart CAN run on a hard drive... thanks to DirectStorage 1.2 on PC
This becomes the first DirectStorage 1.2 game with GPU decompression support.
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PC Gamer: Turns out Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart CAN run on a hard drive thanks to DirectStorage 1.2
killatopak
Gold Member
Just looking at the spec requirements, it doesn't run that well above 720p textures right? I was also told here that it comes with a slight cost to CPU performance. Is that true?
01011001
Banned
what the hell are 720p textures?
killatopak
Gold Member
uhh lower res textures used for 720p resolution meaning smaller texture sizes that needs less bandwidth?
01011001
Banned
I mean, that is very vague terminology.
technically Gears of War 3's Xbox 360 textures were meant for 720p, yet years later when the Xbox One X patch released many were shocked at how high res the textures looked when played at 4K
how much of an issue texture size will be when playing on an HDD is hard to say without knowing how the game loads data.
so we will see
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killatopak
Gold Member
Yeah, I understand. IIIRC Dark Souls also had this when it was ported to PC but as far as I know it isn't really a common occurrence in the past especially console exclusive games which is why plenty of games have mods that increase texture resolution. Increasing texture resolution and cleaning them up are remastered games' bread and butter.
DownTheRabbitHole
Neo Member
Are there any xbox console games that use this technology yet ?
01011001
Banned
yeah but especially on PC games, textures aren't meant for specific resolutions, they're meant for specific VRAM sizes.
Ratchet's minimum requirement is a GPU with 2GB of VRAM, so that's what the lowest textures will be designed for, not for any particular output resolution or storage speed.
and given how awful many texture settings were recently I wouldn't even expect them to look good at 720p
like how The Last of Us Part 1 launched with medium texture settings that looked lower res than PS3 textures.
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01011001
Banned
pretty sure many do yes, but it's not really advertised. it's a bigger deal on PC because PCs do not have a dedicated decompression block and games have less hardware access.
so having an API that allows developers to easily implement GPU decompression is a big deal there (even tho there have been games in the past that did that with proprietary solutions)
Topher
Identifies as young
Didn't require the SSD after all, but does require the compression tech which wasn't available on PC until late last year. Glad to see this is becoming more widely used. Will be interesting to see some benchmarks when the game launches across the different drive types.
killatopak
Gold Member
But isn't that why direct storage is designed for? Faster transfer of files to the GPU? You compensate the lack of size of your vram with how fast you can replace them.yeah but especially on PC games, textures aren't meant for specific resolutions, they're meant for specific VRAM sizes.
Ratchet's minimum requirement is a GPU with 2GB of VRAM, so that's what the lowest textures will be designed for, not for any particular output resolution or storage speed.
and given how awful many texture settings were recently I wouldn't even expect them to look good at 720p
like how The Last of Us Part 1 launched with medium texture settings that looked lower res than PS3 textures.
That's the least of TLOU problems in the PC port lol. It's a bad release but I don't blame the devs. I blame Sony for rushing it to coincide with the HBO show.
01011001
Banned
older games exist that used their own way of GPU decompression. so it's not tech that wasn't available, it's tech that wasn't easily implementable.
Rage used GPU decompression when played on Nvidia cards for example, as iD made their own cuda based decompression system for iD Tech
Topher
Identifies as young
Ah...didn't know that. Thanks.
01011001
Banned
in a perfect scenario yes, but that would only work with an SSD.
but I doubt that any dev will ever take full advantage of this given how game development is recently... :/
true. but it was one of the more ridiculous ones. when 8GB of VRAM give you texture quality that an Xbox 360 would he ashamed of having
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
720p textures aren't a thing. Texture quality is generally independent of resolution and generally comes in 256x256, 512x512, 1024x1024, 2048x2048, 4096x4096 and so on. You can have a high resolution image and low resolution textures, this will result in obviously blurry textures. You can also have high resolution textures and a low resolution image but the perceived texture quality will suffer since the image doesn't resolve them properly. You'll think the textures are low res but it's actually the image that has a low resolution. I think Returnal is a good example. The textures on PS5 look significantly lower than PC's highest despite presumably being the same but that's because the internal res of the image on PS5 is 1080p whereas it can go above 4K on PC, resulting in a cleaner resolve.
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No,to the best of my knowledge.
Though the article is garbage,how did you come to that conclusion?
The irony is that was the whole point of an SSD that Mark Cerny talked about in the road to PS5. If direct storage was that practical on HDDs then there wasn't any reason for SSDs to begin with it,as Sony and Microsoft could've gone with making HDDs more useful for games.
In a recently taken down blog post on Steam (via Wccftech), Nixxes, the developer behind the PC port of Rachet and Clank: Rift Apart, wrote that because of the recent DirectStorage update, you can play the former PS5 exclusive on a hard drive, albeit at its minimum settings
Topher
Identifies as young
I don't get your question. The game runs on HDD when Marcus Smith said it wouldn't be possible without the PS5 SSD.
Because of directstorage and if true,at 720p minimum settings.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
yeah but returnal ps5 vs pc is not 1:1.720p textures aren't a thing. Texture quality is generally independent of resolution and generally comes in 256x256, 512x512, 1024x1024, 2048x2048, 4096x4096 and so on. You can have a high resolution image and low resolution textures, this will result in obviously blurry textures. You can also have high resolution textures and a low resolution image but the perceived texture quality will suffer since the image doesn't resolve them properly. You'll think the textures are low res but it's actually the image that has a low resolution. I think Returnal is a good example. The textures on PS5 look significantly lower than PC's highest despite presumably being the same but that's because the internal res of the image on PS5 is 1080p whereas it can go above 4K on PC, resulting in a cleaner resolve.
Pc version is a very light remaster almost. They got some new textures in there. It's not just a straight port
Topher
Identifies as young
Which is essentially what I said regarding compression tech.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Apparently, the texture quality is the same according to DF.
asdasdasdbb
Member
How bad are the textures going to look on the lowest setting tho.
01011001
Banned
they used the same texture quality on both, which you can see if you go really close so that the resolution isn't a factor anymore
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Mr Moose
Member
He was talking about PS4. PS4 doesn't have DirectStorage 1.2.
feynoob
Banned
welcome to PR world.Only possible due to the magic of PS5 ultra fast SSD
Sony you
Moses85
Member
I knew this world already. Same and Same all over again.
RE4, not possible on PS2… only on GCN..
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Tangerine
Banned
Know if it's fixed yet? Is it a good port yet? Last on us on PC...
Want to play it and I don't have a ps5.
LostDonkey
Member
You spin me right round baby right round....
winjer
Gold Member
Pixel resolution is not related to texture resolution.
The closest thing is MipMap LOD bias. But that only determines the range at which higher mips are loaded.
I'm sure when people were saying when Rift Apart was coming to PC and being playable on it with a HDD,they meant exactly like a PS5 with little compromise.
Topher
Identifies as young
Ah....you are correct. He leads off his statement about PS5 SSD by referencing "previous generations". Timestamped 1:05.
I don't know what you are talking about. I'm not saying any such thing.
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
We've been waiting for Direct Storage for a long time. I'm glad we can finally see it in action. How much will performance cost for decompressing with our GPUs is what I want to know.
KuraiShidosha
Member
I called this in the other thread with the vote taking bets what the requirements will be. It's really funny to see the lame memes about Cerny and his magical SSD being dismantled now. There's nothing special about the PS5, nothing.
8BiTw0LF
Banned
After it's been out for almost 3 years? You're right. There's nothing special about 3 year old hardware, but this generation is only half way through and the PS5 seems to have a pretty good foundation in this regard.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
The ps5 was just the same step up we've seen every gen but we were tricked by marketing. There is absolutely nothing special about it vs xbox or pc. It just has a faster ssd than xbox.
The pro will launch and all will be forgotten.
I don't think, or hope many will be tricked again.
Looking forward to the digital foundry on this.
Hopefully direct storage will be a hit on pc and it needs to roll out more.
The pro will launch and all will be forgotten.
I don't think, or hope many will be tricked again.
Looking forward to the digital foundry on this.
Hopefully direct storage will be a hit on pc and it needs to roll out more.
Buggy Loop
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
I'll admit that I bought into the SSD hype though after Cerny's deep dive, but really neither console lived up to the marketing. Xbox hasn't really delivered on being the "most powerful console". And let's not forget Microsoft was extremely proud of their SSD tech too. Trademarked "velocity architecture". So yeah......all this "secret sauce" isn't really special at all.
I'm not talking about you specifically but the chatter of other people with regards to Ratchet and Clank coming to PC.
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What? The whole point of the SSDs was for gameplay play design and quality of life improvement over HDDs. Around 8:35 and upwards explained by Cerny the reason the PS5 SSD is what it is.
asdasdasdbb
Member
If I had to guess, it's the former but we will see.
Oddvintagechap
Member
01011001
Banned
I bet all you will have in such a setup is small stutters from time to time... if at all.
01011001
Banned
I mean, it wasn't special when it released either.
the consoles were outclassed in every way before they were out, not as much as the last gen systems were, but still.