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[Borys]

It doesnt only happen in xbox threads. It goes both ways and its getting worse.

No.

It happens only in Xbox threads.

Unwritten GAF Rules:

1) Every Nintendo thread goes to shit because of you know who doing you know what.
2) Every 360 thread goes to shit because of countless posts saying 360 games look like shit and others saying they do not. Both sides are right varying on the game being discussed.
3) You can't write a bad word on any 360 game because instantly you are a HATA, PC elitist, Sonybot or somebody who would never ever buy a 360 in the first place. Take your pick.
4) You can't criticize MGS4 (the newest one).

The truth is people have opinions. And you shouldn't believe a certified Xbox hater saying some game looks like shit just like you shouldn't believe a certified Xbox fanboi saying it's the shit and all. Both sides are annoying. Haters repeating that PS3 is where it's at and fanbois saying MS will finally show Sony and take the #1 spot.

sp0rsk, clean up this mess, you're a mod after all.

/all this brought to you by an Xbox hata so take it as you will/

 

[sprsk]

sp0rsk, clean up this mess, you're a mod after all.

Yes, i am only one man.

I can't really ban someone for calling someone a hater (although repeat offenses put you on the "one fuckup and your gone" list)

 

[cyberheater]

Anyways. Back on subject.

I noticed that no leaves moved in the jungle scene when Joanna crashed thru it. Do you think in the final game that the plants etc... will move with real physics ala farcry2 engine?

 

[vas]

Anyways. Back on subject.

I noticed that no leaves moved in the jungle scene when Joanna crashed thru it. Do you think in the final game that the plants etc... will move with real physics ala farcry2 engine?

Not a chance.

 

[quetz67]

Anyways. Back on subject.

I noticed that no leaves moved in the jungle scene when Joanna crashed thru it. Do you think in the final game that the plants etc... will move with real physics ala farcry2 engine?

you should understand that this is extremely close to the final build, dont expect any major changes from now on

 

[cyberheater]

Not a chance.

I'm trying to remember if Turok on Xbox did that.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Didn't TeamXbox say most physics were turned off?

 

[DieNgamers]

This will be the next holy grail of console-fps-gaming! (the last was PD64 )

 

[Laurent]

This looks amazing! Let's hope the story and mission are better than the original Perfect Dark (which sucked on those aspects)...

 

[Razoric]

This will be the next holy grail of console-fps-gaming!

uh no.

 

[JasoNsider]

Good graphics = redemption?
Good graphics = Rare's back?
Good graphics = good game?

Seriously, this place is getting out of hand. All a developer has to do now is devote the largest portion of their resources to game visuals and they win GAF's vote.

 

[enjoy bell woods]

Honestly, and this may be a stretch, I think people think it looks fun.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Good graphics = redemption?
Good graphics = Rare's back?
Good graphics = good game?

Seriously, this place is getting out of hand. All a developer has to do now is devote the largest portion of their resources to game visuals and they win GAF's vote.

The game looks fun to me, it gives off Goldeneye/Perfect Dark 64 vibes to me. Those are great games. It looks as if this will follow the tradition

 

[Prine]

Good graphics = redemption?
Good graphics = Rare's back?
Good graphics = good game?

Seriously, this place is getting out of hand. All a developer has to do now is devote the largest portion of their resources to game visuals and they win GAF's vote.

No, reading about gameplay details is why people are getting excited (since e3). Graphics just add to the excitement

 

[enjoy bell woods]

Guys, what do you expect from JasoNsider?

 

[PhatSaqs]

Good graphics = redemption?
Good graphics = Rare's back?
Good graphics = good game?

Seriously, this place is getting out of hand. All a developer has to do now is devote the largest portion of their resources to game visuals and they win GAF's vote.

Yes. God forbid people get a little excited over finally seeing the game in motion after the E3 debacle. Kill them...

edit: Way to add to the discussion Razoric. Atta boy.

 

[Razoric]

Sick'em Xbots! :lol

 

[enjoy bell woods]

Razoric, I post as fanciebombjack elsewhere. You've been witness to my opinions on Xbox 360 titles. Quiet.

 

[Razoric]

Razoric, I post as fanciebombjack elsewhere. You've been witness to my opinions on Xbox 360 titles. Quiet.

It was more of a joke. I hit refresh on the forum and say 3-4 replies within a few minutes to Jason's posts. Just thought it was funny. It's like he shot a wasp's nest with a BB gun. :lol

 

[quetz67]

First, to get it out of the way, this might turn out a great game and yes, it looks nice.

Why many here call it not real next gen is because they are expecting more 'realism' after seeing the Killzone 2 and MGS4 trailers. I dont care if Rare were going for a less realistic touch or not, but it isnt there like it is in those trailers. Maybe it doenst have to do with power of the machines or what game has the best texture work. The difference lies in two points:

1. The animation in the MGS4 and Killzone trailers is out of this world. I think you must be blind if you dont see the difference.

2. But more important. the player is only part of something big going on in the PS3 trailers. In the PDZ it is the usual behaviour of enemies trying to kill the player. Sure there is no rule every game must offer a whole battle going on during gameplay, but thats one thing that impresses people.

If PDZ does perfectly what it intends to do I am happy if it gets a 99% even without the most impressive graphics. I just think it isnt a good idea to use this game to show off what next gen can do. Many people want a reason to shell out $300-$400 again. And they ask questions when seeing a similar game could have been done on current gen console hardware.

Yes, I know the lighting in PDZ is done very well, but I am sure many people just dont notice the difference. And while many will welcome the new texture effects like the second coming, for me the walls and some floors just look like a showcase for those effects and neither real nor fitting the style of the game.

 

[JasoNsider]

Guys, what do you expect from JasoNsider?

Yeah, seriously! What do you expect? Obviously going to hate on anything outside Nintendo. You guys are unbelievable sometimes. :lol

 

[PhatSaqs]

It's like he shot a wasp's nest with a BB gun. :lol

Funny. That's almost exactly how trolling is defined.

 

[Flo_Evans]

just to add some fuel to the fire (not that it need its )

but if the AI and physics are turned off, does this still qualify as the best looking game?

Seems like the definition of a tech demo is a interactive (or non-interactive) graphic demo without regards to physics or AI.

/disscuss :lol

oh and even though I have no intrest in the game I will comment anyway!

Graphics are much improved, bricks too shiny, roll is dumb (yes there is a way to do this in 1st person, its called side stepping, double tap strafe in HL2 to see this) KB+mouse forever! Lighting looks good, but we have seen volumetric lights this gen, character models whack.

did I miss anything? :lol

 

[Stinkles]

2. But more important. the player is only part of something big going on in the PS3 trailers. In the PDZ it is the usual behaviour of enemies trying to kill the player. Sure there is no rule every game must offer a whole battle going on during gameplay, but thats one thing that impresses people.

Sweet christ on toast.

The player isn't part of anything in those trailers (MGS4, Killzone2). Because there is no player in those trailers. Technically the own PDZ, but they're not gameplay.

 

[Razoric]

Funny. That's almost exactly how trolling is defined.

Maybe he was trolling. I dunno. I can't really agree with him considering I emptied my balls when the MGS4 video came out. :O

Graphic whores unite!

 

[Dante]

It looks fun, But again graphically dissapointing for a premeire next gen title. The ragdoll physics are horrible, humans are not rag dolls, and dont float around like that.

 

[quetz67]

Sweet christ on toast.

The player isn't part of anything in those trailers (MGS4, Killzone2). Because there is no player in those trailers. Technically the own PDZ, but they're not gameplay.

You can of course argue that in a game trailer there never is a player because it is just a movie. And I am not talking gameplay, taking Killzone 1 and Pefect Dark 1 the chance of PDZ being the better game (MGS4 we will see)

 

[Razoric]

PDZero will probably be a lot more fun than Killzone PS3. Graphically I'd expect Killzone to look better unless Sony's ready for the torches and pitchforks from gamers across the world.

 

[JasoNsider]

Maybe he was trolling. I dunno. I can't really agree with him considering I emptied my balls when the MGS4 video came out. :O

Graphic whores unite!

Wouldn't that mean that you do agree with me? Myself, a huge MGS fan, was completely speachless that this entire place went nuts over the MGS4 trailer. It looked really nice visually. Hurray. But there was nothing in the trailer that got me excited the same way it did in previous trailers. I'm not going to get excited over graphics like you guys.

It's starting to get tiring that this forum actually creates brand new threads for a couple new screenshots. Then the members argue over the 360/PS3 graphical superiority for pages on end. It's an interesting point of discussion the first two hundred times, but the generation hasn't even begun and I'm already getting tired of posts that consist of nothing more than "The lighting is great, they could probably do a better job on the hair. Tri-bump-parralax-nano mapping is used too much."

 

[dark10x]

It's really not all that different from last generation, though. People want something to discuss, and without any serious "gameplay" info, it's a little difficult to discuss it.

Most gameplay talk comes from something that the members of the forum have been able to play through. Nobody could have done that yet, so graphics are the main focus.

 

[Razoric]

Wouldn't that mean that you do agree with me? Myself, a huge MGS fan, was completely speachless that this entire place went nuts over the MGS4 trailer. It looked really nice visually. Hurray. But there was nothing in the trailer that got me excited the same way it did in previous trailers. I'm not going to get excited over graphics like you guys.

It's starting to get tiring that this forum actually creates brand new threads for a couple new screenshots. Then the members argue over the 360/PS3 graphical superiority for pages on end. It's an interesting point of discussion the first two hundred times, but the generation hasn't even begun and I'm already getting tired of posts that consist of nothing more than "The lighting is great, they could probably do a better job on the hair. Tri-bump-parralax-fart mapping is used too much."

Well when looking at a game that you know you won't be playing for probably 2 years you really only have one thing to talk about... graphics. Obviously most of that should go away once you sit down and start playing. But until then, as long as there are screenshots / video clips there will always be gamers that pic that shit apart right up to the release of the game. Especially now because we are all looking at next gen games but haven't played one of them. Graphics and gameplay descriptions are all we got to go by.

 

[Neex]

I think it's a valid complaint that tri-bump-parralax-nano mapping is used too much.

 

[JasoNsider]

It's really not all that different from last generation, though. People want something to discuss, and without any serious "gameplay" info, it's a little difficult to discuss it.

Most gameplay talk comes from something that the members of the forum have been able to play through. Nobody could have done that yet, so graphics are the main focus.

Discussion about a game's visual flavor is different from heated argument over console superiority and baseless excitement. If you don't know a lot about a game, there's no reason you should be bouncing off the wall in excitement. Sometimes it doesn't take a lot to get excited. I cannot even sit tight for Shadow of the Colossus even though I know hardly anything about the game (complete blackout.) However, I have a hard time getting excited about any game unless it offers something fun.

A good example is something like Gears of War. There really isn't anything in that game gameplay wise that should make anyone excited. If it was the same game with graphics closer to games in this generation, people wouldn't even give it the time of day. That's pretty much what I'm getting at.

Edit: I suppose one more point is that people should learn from the past. In past generations people got hyped for games that ended up being the same schlock recycled with a pretty pallet of color. I already see this happening again with this generation and I'm surprised people don't see it.

 

[cyberheater]

It looks fun, But again graphically dissapointing for a premeire next gen title. The ragdoll physics are horrible, humans are not rag dolls, and dont float around like that.

About those physics. Why don't you just join any other thread at random and don't bother reading the entire thread but just post you comments.

Cause your comment really helped here.

 

[Dante]

About those physics. Why don't you just join any other thread at random and don't bother reading the entire thread but just post you comments.

Uh, sorry I didn't read this whole 12 page thread. :lol

 

[cyberheater]

Uh, sorry I didn't read this whole 12 page thread. :lol

I'm sorry too. I didn't mean to be sound so mean.

 

[Dante]

I'm sorry too. I didn't mean to be sound so mean.

No worries!

You had a point, I just don't have the time to read through every post in threads this large.

 

[Lunar Aura]

It looks fun, But again graphically dissapointing for a premeire next gen title. The ragdoll physics are horrible, humans are not rag dolls, and dont float around like that.

i guess expansive world, lighting/shadows, awesome textures, polys up the wazoo<<<<<AI that may have not even been turned on in that demo. :lol

BTW virtua cop physics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ragdoll

 

[FiRez]

Discussion about a game's visual flavor is different from heated argument over console superiority and baseless excitement. If you don't know a lot about a game, there's no reason you should be bouncing off the wall in excitement. Sometimes it doesn't take a lot to get excited. I cannot even sit tight for Shadow of the Colossus even though I know hardly anything about the game (complete blackout.) However, I have a hard time getting excited about any game unless it offers something fun.

A good example is something like Gears of War. There really isn't anything in that game gameplay wise that should make anyone excited. If it was the same game with graphics closer to games in this generation, people wouldn't even give it the time of day. That's pretty much what I'm getting at.

Edit: I suppose one more point is that people should learn from the past. In past generations people got hyped for games that ended up being the same schlock recycled with a pretty pallet of color. I already see this happening again with this generation and I'm surprised people don't see it.

You know, not everyone is looking foward to play FPS with a light gun, for some people the overall experience (the mix of the music, graphics, atmosphere, gameplay, etc) is vast more important.

 

[Bonk]

Maybe I´m alone on this one but can anyone explain what "constructive critizism" could be in an internet forum? I mean chances somebody of Rare will read this are pretty low if not zero....

 

[Dante]

i guess expansive world, lighting/shadows, awesome textures, polys up the wazoo

I Must have seen different videos.

 

[sprsk]

Maybe I´m alone on this one but can anyone explain what "constructive critizism" could be in an internet forum? I mean chances somebody of Rare will read this are pretty low if not zero....

Well, what mister shompola was probably referring to was polite critisism and flat out bashing.

 

[dark10x]

Maybe I´m alone on this one but can anyone explain what "constructive critizism" could be in an internet forum? I mean chances somebody of Rare will read this are pretty low if not zero....

I think you'd be suprised...

There are more people reading the GAF than you'd think. Whether or not they put any stock at all into the words here, is something entirely different...

 

[bitwise]

Maybe I´m alone on this one but can anyone explain what "constructive critizism" could be in an internet forum? I mean chances somebody of Rare will read this are pretty low if not zero....

I wouldn't be surprised at all. I bet a lot of people in the industry browse GAF.

 

[Stinkles]

Rare might read it. They are interested in knowing what a broad swathe of folks think. Even if, like all forums, you take it with a big pinch of hater salt. You can sort through the "bad art" rubbish and find interesting opinions in here. It has to be said though that 360 haters are becoming almost hysterical now, so GAF is temporarily a really bad place to find any unpolluted info at the moment.

 

[Bonk]

I intended to write "are zero" at first. Did not help obviously My point still stands though. But enough about semantics...

 

[FartOfWar]

 

[dark10x]

Yeah, that yellow frog is a bitch.

Wondering why? Here's the answer...

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=64687

 

[Razoric]

I think you'd be suprised...

There are more people reading the GAF than you'd think. Whether or not they put any stock at all into the words here, is something entirely different...

God could you imagine?

Rare: Release the first pics! Lets read GAF and see!
GAF: WALLGUY?? LOL THIS GEN!! LOL Xbox 1.5 haahahah! fucking rare!! graphics sucks!! Xbox 1.5?? more like Xbox 0.5. YEAH LOL!! monkeys are running the show!
Rare: :_(

Rare: Ok we've improved the graphics a lot, here we go! Open up GAF mate.
GAF: Looks aight but PHYSICS?!? LOL RAGDOLL wtf? Yeah look at the ragdoll how stupid. Yeah fuck rare your physics suck. LOLOL
Rare: AHHHH FUCK THEM WANKERS I QUIT!

 

[Blimblim]

He, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a hidden Wallguy reference somewhere in PDZ.