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I heard about a graphic whores gathering, can I come ? :)


honestly, the vidz are looking great, great textures, good frame rate, high details but "hellooooooow" the art is terrible, so are the animations and WTF about the IA ??? Never seen such dumb ennemies since... well I can't remember since when.
 
Sunski said:
Looks great. They coudl easily tone down the ragdoll physics but I think they want it slightly over the top for impact. You'll feel a lot more happiness making one of those suits fly around being pummelled with bullets than if they just fell to the floor as per normal games.
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They're going for an exaggerated, somewhat cartoony effect across the board. Not so much in the environments, but in all of the character art and animation.

I just don't see Rare ever doing a hyper-realistic game. It's not what they're about.
 
Kseutron said:
I heard about a graphic whores gathering, can I come ? :)


honestly, the vidz are looking great, great textures, good frame rate, high details but "hellooooooow" the art is terrible, so are the animations and WTF about the IA ??? Never seen such dumb ennemies since... well I can't remember since when.
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Did you not even bother to read the whole thread. The A.I has been switched off for this demo.

"Bad art"?. Godamn i'm sick of the GAF idiots that plague this board and keep saying that. If it's "bad art" then actually explain in your own words what you mean. Actually spend the time to work out what you don't like about it and post your opinion. You know. Actually move the thread along for once. Just stop with the blanket statement "Bad art". It doesn't mean anything. Rant over!
 
cyberheater said:
Did you not even bother to read the whole thread. The A.I has been switched off for this demo.
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Oh, doesnt it run fast enough with the AI turned on? Will we get the AI as extra downloadable content later?
 
When I first heard that PDZ was using a Havok physics engine I thought to myself: this game is gonna be amazing! Even the earlier shots with the wallguy didnt dampen my spirits about it cos I loved HL2 and Farcry primarily for their use of havok.

Now after watching those clips I am not so sure anymore. It seems the developers have coded in moon gravity by mistake. Also, the world appears free of any objects to interact with. Bottom line is that I am more disappointed about these videos than I was about the quality of graphics in earlier screenshots. What a waste of havok..... :(
 
Apparently physics and AI were turned off, the game was running on debug kits. This is why they dont allow pics of vids to be shot during private events. You people overreact and think the game will ship in its current state.
 
How can they say that physics were turned off if u can clearly see the effects of gunfire on enemies. without physics there would be no ragdolls....
 
vas said:
How can they say that physics were turned off if u can clearly see the effects of gunfire on enemies. without physics there would be no ragdolls....
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The article states "most of the physics"

It is worth clarifying that in this debug build many physics were turned off as well as the enemy AI.
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my bad
 
vas said:
How can they say that physics were turned off if u can clearly see the effects of gunfire on enemies. without physics there would be no ragdolls....
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Ragdoll:-

"A ragdoll is therefore a collection of multiple rigid bodies (each of which is ordinarily tied to a bone in the graphics engine's skeletal animation system) tied together by a system of constraints that restrict how the bones may move relative to each other."

Ragdoll does not require inertia or mass or weight etc.... so that's why they can say the physics has been switched off.
 
Don't worry, when everything is turned on and working properly they'll find something else to bitch about. When all else fails they can always fall back on the "bad art" line.
 
Redbeard said:
Don't worry, when everything is turned on and working properly they'll find something else to bitch about. When all else fails they can always fall back on the "bad art" line.
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:lol So true...and sad, because the haters are so predictable.
 
vas said:
When I first heard that PDZ was using a Havok physics engine I thought to myself: this game is gonna be amazing! Even the earlier shots with the wallguy didnt dampen my spirits about it cos I loved HL2 and Farcry primarily for their use of havok.

Now after watching those clips I am not so sure anymore. It seems the developers have coded in moon gravity by mistake. Also, the world appears free of any objects to interact with. Bottom line is that I am more disappointed about these videos than I was about the quality of graphics in earlier screenshots. What a waste of havok..... :(
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I think if you really want to make use of a physics the whole gameplay must be designed with that in mind. There must be a resonable amount of objects that can be manipulated and the game design must fit into this to avoid having players find ways around stuff not intended by the designers. And some puzzles should be done using physics. But I dont see we can expect this stuff from PDZ.
 
cyberheater said:
Ragdoll:-

"A ragdoll is therefore a collection of multiple rigid bodies (each of which is ordinarily tied to a bone in the graphics engine's skeletal animation system) tied together by a system of constraints that restrict how the bones may move relative to each other."

Ragdoll does not require inertia or mass or weight etc.... so that's why they can say the physics has been switched off.
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If that's the case whats the point in the movie?
 
Redbeard said:
Don't worry, when everything is turned on and working properly they'll find something else to bitch about. When all else fails they can always fall back on the "bad art" line.
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Hey! That's been my line since the beginning, when there was plenty of other stuff to bitch about still.

And I stand by it.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
:lol So true...and sad, because the haters are so predictable.
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...and so are the loverz....

Any negative comment seems to just bring out those "lovers" in herds. Noone is jumping on you for "lovin" so much therefore dont jump on people for "hatin". Most people criticise because they care about the game and they want it to turn out a hit.
 
+Aliken+ said:
If that's the case whats the point in the movie?
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It isnt even supposed to be recorded and shown to the public. So there is nothing weird with having some physics parameters turned off.
 
vas said:
...and so are the loverz....

Any negative comment seems to just bring out those "lovers" in herds. Noone is jumping on you for "lovin" so much therefore dont jump on people for "hatin". Most people criticise because they care about the game and they want it to turn out a hit.
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And most people love on a game because they're genuinely excited about it. On this forum, the difference between the haters and the lovers is that the haters can be anyone, including plenty of those who have even previously stated they don't give a shit about the title in question. You don't really see much positive appreciation shown on this forum, or most forums for that matter, from those who have no interest in the title. Hate...hate can and will come from everywhere. :lol It's like trying to shield a lone flower growing between the cracks in the sidewalk of a busy street during the morning rush to work...you and the flower are gonna get trampled on by the hundreds that don't care anyway.

Meh...let's wait until about a week from now, when direct feed footage from a newer build, with all the little bits turned on is shown.
 
vas said:
...and so are the loverz....

Any negative comment seems to just bring out those "lovers" in herds. Noone is jumping on you for "lovin" so much therefore dont jump on people for "hatin". Most people criticise because they care about the game and they want it to turn out a hit.
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But most of what you brought up isnt even an issue, theres an explanation. Wait till X05 :P
 
Prine said:
But most of what you brought up isnt even an issue, theres an explanation. Wait till X05 :P
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I agree, lets all hope for a good showing at X05. Still have some faith but its cutting it too close to launch.
 
If this game wasn't called Perfect Dark Zero, these videos wouldn't pique my interest. Visually it's underwhelming compared to, say, Oblivion, Gears of War and MGS4 (and "current gen" PC first-person shooters) and gameplay seems shallow. However, since it IS PDZ I remain cautiously optimistic.
 
syllogism said:
If this game wasn't called Perfect Dark Zero, these videos wouldn't pique my interest. Visually it's underwhelming compared to, say, Oblivion, Gears of War and MGS4 (and "current gen" PC first-person shooters) and gameplay seems shallow.
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Gears of War, MGS4? Yes. Oblivion? Not really, it seems to be about par in these videos.
 
syllogism said:
If this game wasn't called Perfect Dark Zero, these videos wouldn't pique my interest. Visually it's underwhelming compared to, say, Oblivion, Gears of War and MGS4 (and "current gen" PC first-person shooters) and gameplay seems shallow. However, since it IS PDZ I remain cautiously optimistic.
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yeah, might turn out to be a nice little game, if not I am done with Rare and Microsoft is screwed anyway.
 
cyberheater said:
Did you not even bother to read the whole thread. The A.I has been switched off for this demo.
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didn't read the whloe thread, indeed, but glad to hear that ! interest in the game : + 25
 
syllogism said:
gameplay seems shallow.
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Let's see. You've got rolling, ladder climbing, slideroping, steath, holographic projections of self, ducking, multiple weapons, sniping etc...

I'm trying to work out what was shallow about those 4 mins clip???
 
Or if they are not optimized enough and would lower the framerate.
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Why do you bring reason over here? I am calling a mod right now!

BTW, nice to see the old haters looking for something to blast the game off. Yeah, we get it, those physics are weird but it is not like you were going to buy it to begin with. At least you could try to be a little less transparent.
 
cyberheater said:
holographic projections of self
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Has this been used much in FPS games? I remember it was in Duke Nukem 3D but after that I havent seen it (OTOH I haven't played many FPS games since).
 
Funky Papa said:
Why do you bring reason over here? I am calling a mod right now!

BTW, nice to see the old haters looking for something to blast the game off. Yeah, we get it, those physics are weird but it is not like you were going to buy it to begin with. At least you could try to be a little less transparent.
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I disagree, I think most people that criticise a game are at least interested in the game. If they werent considering buying it, what would the point in wasting time on discussing its flaws. Please lay off the people with negative comments. There has been a lot more love in this thread and yet you still manage to whine about those that "hate".
 
vas said:
I disagree, I think most people that criticise a game are at least interested in the game. If they werent considering buying it, what would the point in wasting time on discussing its flaws. Please lay off the people with negative comments. There has been a lot more love in this thread and yet you still manage to whine about those that "hate".
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actually I am not interested in buying an xbox360, maybe if PDZ turns out to be a killer game I rent the game plus the hardware
 
I disagree, I think most people that criticise a game are at least interested in the game.
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Dude, this is GAF. I don't know where you come from, but some of the most vocal critics are old time haters. I am not that happy with RARE's efforts, but I don't like people who only come to certain threads to bitch and moan either.

I couldn't care less about how much people are positive, at the end of the day most of them were waiting for something to love, I find the irrational haters much more anoying.
 
vas said:
I disagree, I think most people that criticise a game are at least interested in the game. If they werent considering buying it, what would the point in wasting time on discussing its flaws. Please lay off the people with negative comments. There has been a lot more love in this thread and yet you still manage to whine about those that "hate".
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I once thought like you, in time you will learn that round here there are a merry band of idiots that do go into every thread concerning something they have no interest in just to point out why they arent interested and why everyone else should agree with them.
 
Ghost said:
I once thought like you, in time you will learn that round here there are a merry band of idiots that do go into every thread concerning something they have no interest in just to point out why they arent interested and why everyone else should agree with them.
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I'll be on the look out for those....
 
Vas, the case with GA is the most vocal posters regarding a game, are usually people critising the game. It can go from the usual its a graphical mess, then when this fails, the art sucks and now the new one, Physics are crap. It’s also the case that 99% of the critics have no intention of buying the Console the game/s is destined for let alone the game itself.
 
Pug said:
Vas, the case with GA is the most vocal posters regarding a game, are usually people critising the game. It can go from the usual its a graphical mess, then when this fails, the art sucks and now the new one, Physics are crap. It’s also the case that 99% of the critics have no intention of buying the Console the game/s is destined for let alone the game itself.
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Ill tell you where I am coming from. I am buying an xbox360, got it preordered. I will need to pick up 2-3 games at launch. Therefore the games that I pick have to adhere to my standards, dont like to waste money. You can call me a hater if you want, but I agree with the people that are disappointed by the physics in those vids, I think its a valid criticism (in fact I already stated my view on that subject). All we can do now is wait for x05 where hopefully all will be well and fixed.

On a side note, we in the UK are actually in a good position regarding launch being a week or so after the american one. By the time of UK launch I will get enough feedback from people actually playing the games I consider buying and will make my final decision then.

P.S. Just over a day left before the origen360 timer runs out.
 
vas said:
I disagree, I think most people that criticise a game are at least interested in the game. If they werent considering buying it, what would the point in wasting time on discussing its flaws. Please lay off the people with negative comments. There has been a lot more love in this thread and yet you still manage to whine about those that "hate".
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No.
 
No vas, criticism makes you a hater, you are mistaken, please make your way to the happy-happy-joy-joy reprogramming centre where Robbie Bach awaits with horrors for your lack of loyalty to the hive.
 
Destructive criticisim does indeed make you a hater. People tend to fail to see the difference between constructive and destructive criticism...
 
Damn. The game looks FANTASTIC!

And all you haters can just complain about the ragdoll animations? :lol :lol :lol

I'll give you guys that one
 
Vennt said:
No vas, criticism makes you a hater, you are mistaken, please make your way to the happy-happy-joy-joy reprogramming centre where Robbie Bach awaits with horrors for your lack of loyalty to the hive.
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HATERZ EAT CROW WOOT WOOT
 
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