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[Pandaman]

people dogpiling on sennorin tend to ignore this part that goes with that quote:
"I just wanted to express how much I´d hate the thought of some guy pounding my daughter."

 

[Ezalc]

I have a question: Centuries ago men would usually marry women who were very young, like 15 or younger so the woman could have many kids and raise a family correct? I'm wondering when this started to change and when people would just look at it as something wrong. I may be mistaken but I think it's something left over from those times.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Sexual orientation I thought was the behavior of being either attracted to either masculinity or femininity?

Pedophilia is the behavior of being primarily attracted to pre-sexual aspects of humanity, not masculinity or femininity.

 

[Dali]

Opiate to be clear are you asking for proof that there is no pedo gene or IS a "gay gene" (there isn't a single gay gene but twin studies indicate a strong genetic component to homosexuality along with hormone exposure in the womb)

I'm familiar with the hormone exposure explanation, but if you have two genetically identical people, one of which is straight as an arrow, wouldn't that sort of detract from your claim that there is a "strong genetic component". You mind posting something pointing me to these twin studies that indicate as much?

 

[crazy monkey]

You're being too harsh on them. They deserve our utmost concern and patience. My suggestion isn't to punish them as you would. For I consider myself caring. My suggestion is to build a huge float, HUGE, prepare a nice deserted island for them and send them on their way to the island. Build a fence around the island to make sure nobody invades their new state. Let them live their for the rest of their days.

 

[SturokBGD]

But they DON'T all want to rape kids. If you find a woman attractive does that mean you want to rape her? I sure fucking hope not. I sure don't.

I'm pretty sure the consent of a little kid and the consent of a grown woman is a completely different thing. Rape is the only word for it, because that's what it would be.

 

[cutmeamango]

As of now neither pedophilia or homossexualism has been tied to a gene or genes.

But homossexuality has been linked to hormone balances but (and this next is my view) generally it is a choice commitment.

Pedophilia on the other hand has been linked with mental illness, yet (as far as I've seen) none are judgement imparing. And abuse/traumas are a big part of the background.
So while there may be those that chose to be pedophiles (the real sick fucks, because they are not sick) I'd say it is mostly a disorder.

And while being a disorder, it is one that if you choose to act you should be punished accordingly to the whichever law system.
Saying no to that is just like excusing clinically proved psychopaths/other mental illness from their wrong doings.


And as Gaborn said, homossexualism isn't harmful.

 

[akira28]

In some (quite a few) countries they still do.



Yet paedophilia has been around for centuries if not millenia, All those people were abused as children ?

Ok. Nope. First recorded case of an abused child ever was on Jan 1, 1900.

Or a how about this, back then it wasn't considered abuse or pedophila, it was just someone who liked to fiddle with children. That some of those children found that they also got excited from the thoughts of fiddling with other children as they aged is just an example of how pervasive sin is in our society. We must simply build more churches.

 

[Uchip]

Grown men have been marrying 13 year olds for a long time, until we decided it's not okay anymore. I agree that it is wrong, but the older you get the more unclear it becomes. I think any man who denied he'd ever seen a 16 year old he'd gladly fuck is a liar.

and people used to get hung for stealing a piece of fruit, or killed for not believing in a fictional deity
the past is never a good reference

 

[BocoDragon]

Well, obviously anything involving something that is self reported like sexual attraction and the development of attractions is EXTREMELY complex. I think that most organizations basically think that "something" happens to stunt the movement of attractions from children to adults.

Remember that almost EVERYONE is at some level attracted to someone underaged - when they themselves are underaged. It's normal for a 12 year old to be attracted to a 12 year old, it wouldn't be normal for a 40 year old. So I think the theory is for some reason they get "stuck" at the development level.

That's a potential model. But that "getting stuck at the development level" might just be a matter of failing to internalize society's mores about what's appropriate... not necessarily a biological-level stunting of development.

If our society accepted men marrying 12 year olds, then I think you'd find a lot of men would "fail to develop"... It's not so much that they'd fail to develop in any objective sense. They'd merely be raised to cultivate sexual preferences that our current society doesn't allow.

 

[Dan Yo]

Homosexuality is becoming accepted because we're seeing how stupid it is to tell two consenting adults what they do sexually is wrong. It's none of our business. (And please someone don't straw man me with incest, not in the mood to talk about that right now.)

You don't get to justify one sexual preferences with "Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want", and then condemn another with "except this one, though. That one's no good".

 

[Arcipello]

yeah we seem to have this thread every few months or so

 

[Lionheart1337]

OP tell yourself this "friend" of yours that it's largely a matter of opinion.

 

[levious]

But they DON'T all want to rape kids. If you find a woman attractive does that mean you want to rape her? I sure fucking hope not. I sure don't.

I think they just meant any sexual activity would be rape due to lack of ability of a child to give consent.

You don't get to justify one sexual preferences with "Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want", and then condemn another with "except this one, though. That one's no good".

oh good, incest defense too?

 

[Darklord]

I'm pretty sure the consent of a little kid and the consent of a grown woman is a completely different thing. Rape is the only word for it, because that's what it would be.

So you're saying there are no pedophiles who don't act upon their urges? Bullshit. They'd like to but don't. Not all of them are daughter raping, child porn watching, evil freaks. There is more than just one kind of pedophile.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Eh, disorder or no disorder it's still a sick fuck that wants to rape little children who think saying the dictonary term for their private parts is bad. Throw them all in jail.

What does this have to do with the thread? Dictionary term?

 

[mantidor]

Well, obviously anything involving something that is self reported like sexual attraction and the development of attractions is EXTREMELY complex. I think that most organizations basically think that "something" happens to stunt the movement of attractions from children to adults.

Remember that almost EVERYONE is at some level attracted to someone underaged - when they themselves are underaged. It's normal for a 12 year old to be attracted to a 12 year old, it wouldn't be normal for a 40 year old. So I think the theory is for some reason they get "stuck" at the development level.

Oh this is interesting, is the first time I've ever seen this mentioned anywhere. I certainly don't remember any attraction to underage people at all in my childhood and adolescence. Do you have like, some bibliography to look into it? that might sound weird but the topic interests me, and is good to build defenses and counterpoints when homophobes throw the homosexuality = pedophilia rhetoric.

 

[akira28]

You don't get to justify one sexual preferences with "Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want", and then condemn another with "except this one, though. That one's no good".

There's no possible way to conflate pedophilia with homosexuality.

 

[Gaborn]

You don't get to justify one sexual preferences with "Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want", and then condemn another with "except this one, though. That one's no good".

You missed the traditional caveat "as long as it's not harming anyone." Incest, and particulary incest over multiple generations inarguably harms the products of such relationships.

Dali - Mumei has a shit ton of links, hopefully he'll hook you up when he gets a chance!

 

[Majmun]

Pedophilia belongs in the same category as animal sex and necrophilia.

Disorder.

"Normal" sex is when both parties actually agree on sex and know the meaning of sex.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

I realize now that people who are using homosexuality as an example haven't yet accepted the fact that heterosexuality isn't the only normal sexual orientation.

Sexually mature adults consenting is what is normal. Incest isn't normal by biological reasons and is immoral but still makes more sense than pedophilia, and that is seen as a sexual disorder involve sexually mature adults. There will always be exceptions and just because homosexuality doesn't produce children does not mean that pedophilia is in anyway a sexual orientation or normal.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Correct,they just want to 'love' the children.

Or not all of them act on their impulses but ya, whatever you want to make up to help your argument I guess.

 

[Lionheart1337]

Disorder, because it can be treated.

:lol

 

[Parl]

Both?

 

[Pandaman]

You don't get to justify one sexual preferences with "Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want", and then condemn another with "except this one, though. That one's no good".

what if that one is short one consenting adult?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Or not all of them act on their impulses but ya, whatever you want to make up to help your argument I guess.

And?

 

[Devolution]

In nature? I think there is only one other species known so far that has sex as a recreational activity/for pleasure/bonding.

Social animals, bonobos/chimps/dolphins. They're also known to have homosexual relationships. Sex goes beyond reproduction in some of the social animal world, it serves other social functions.

You don't get to justify one sexual preferences with "Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want", and then condemn another with "except this one, though. That one's no good".

Nice reading bucko. I didn't say whether it was or wasn't acceptable, just that I didn't want to discuss that strawman in the confines of this discussion. Ugh.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

And?

Read my post?

 

[confused]

Ok. Nope. First recorded case of an abused child ever was on Jan 1, 1900.

Or a how about this, back then it wasn't considered abuse or pedophila, it was just someone who liked to fiddle with children. That some of those children found that they also got excited from the thoughts of fiddling with other children as they aged is just an example of how pervasive sin is in our society. We must simply build more churches.

Sarcasm I hope ? seeing as the church is the biggest propagator of paediohilia known to man.

 

[Gaborn]

Oh this is interesting, is the first time I've ever seen this mentioned anywhere. I certainly don't remember any attraction to underage people at all in my childhood and adolescence. Do you have like, some bibliography to look into it? that might sound weird but the topic interests me, and is good to build defenses and counterpoints when homophobes throw the homosexuality = pedophilia rhetoric.

Off the top of my head I really don't. It really shouldn't surprise you though. Most people don't suddenly feel attraction to 18 year olds when they hit 13. I mean, they MAY but it's perfectly natural for kids to be attracted to other kids. It's even natural for kids to "play doctor" and explore each other sexually in a variety of ways, mutual masturbation for example is common (and has nothing to do with the eventual sexual orientation of the people involved).

I realize now that people who are using homosexuality as an example haven't yet accepted the fact that heterosexuality isn't the only normal sexual orientation.

Sexually mature adults consenting is what is normal. Incest isn't normal by biological reasons and is immoral but still makes more sense than pedophilia, and that is seen as a sexual disorder involve sexually mature adults. There will always be exceptions and just because homosexuality doesn't produce children does not mean that pedophilia is in anyway a sexual orientation or normal.

BINGO, GOLD STAR!

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Read my post?

Did you read my post?

 

[Utako]

Both?

This is probably the correct answer.

In some cultures, pedophilia is considered more acceptable than homosexuality.

 

[Mumei]

I'm familiar with the hormone exposure explanation, but if you have two genetically identical people, one of which is straight as an arrow, wouldn't that sort of detract from your claim that there is a "strong genetic component". You mind posting something pointing me to these twin studies that indicate as much?

http://www.simonlevay.com/the-biology-of-sexual-orientation#TOC-Genes

Scroll down the sibling studies and twin studies.

A single "gene" does not exist that causes homosexuality. That said, there is evidence that genetics influences sexual orientation, and the best evidence of that is genetic studies of siblings. If genetics simply caused sexual orientation, then you would expect that in a pair of monozygotic twins, if one of the twins was homosexual, the other would also be homosexual. This would be a concordance rate of 100%. However this isn't the case. This is not, however, evidence that genetics doesn't play a role. For instance, brothers of homosexual men have a 22% chance of being gay themselves, compared to the 4% chance that brothers of heterosexual men have. In twin studies (as opposed to sibling studies), there is a concordance rate higher than for just siblings, and even higher for monozygotic twins as opposed to dizygotic twins (which is what we would expect if we were predicting that genetic influence was a factor, since that genetic influence should be stronger for identical twins (monozygotic) than non-identical twins.

 

[Houston3000]

I have to imagine, even if pedophilia was a regular, albeit, rare sexual orientation. The mere thought of acting on it implies that they have some sort of brain disorder. Honestly, I think the whole thing is a chemical imbalance in the brain - usually caused by trauma but I have no specific research on-hand to back that up.

 

[akira28]

Sarcasm I hope ? seeing as the church is the biggest propagator of paediohilia known to man.

Yes a very large smattering of sarcasm and humor. Anyway, I have this consent form for you to sign... >:} Why for? It's a surprise.

Defenders of order are the same who held the dark secret for so long. The same who protected the father who raped his daughter as the priest who raped the son.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Did you read my post?

Yes, or I wouldn't have responded to it. You said they only rape or love. They don't have to do either, my post isn't that complicated stop trying to be thick headed.

 

[Emerson]

Oh this is interesting, is the first time I've ever seen this mentioned anywhere. I certainly don't remember any attraction to underage people at all in my childhood and adolescence. Do you have like, some bibliography to look into it? that might sound weird but the topic interests me, and is good to build defenses and counterpoints when homophobes throw the homosexuality = pedophilia rhetoric.

Really? You didn't have a crush on somebody else when you were in elementary or middle school or something?

 

[confused]

Yes a very large smattering of sarcasm and humor. Anyway, I have this consent form for you to sign... >:} Why for? It's a surprise.

*Signs. what do I win ?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Yes, or I wouldn't have responded to it. You said they only rape or love. They don't have to do either, my post isn't that complicated stop trying to be thick headed.

But they DON'T all want to rape kids. If you find a woman attractive does that mean you want to rape her? I sure fucking hope not.

Correct,they just want to 'love' the children.

Where did I say all they do is love or rape? I didn't. I said they just WANT to 'love' or rape.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Where's creepy gaf when you need them?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Where did I say all they do is love or rape? I didn't. I said they just WANT to 'love' or rape.

Then it's really badly worded. Either way, it doesn't matter anymore.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Then it's really badly worded. Either way, it doesn't matter anymore.

Lol ofcourse.

 

[Dan Yo]

You missed the traditional caveat "as long as it's not harming anyone." Incest, and particulary incest over multiple generations inarguably harms the products of such relationships.

Dali - Mumei has a shit ton of links, hopefully he'll hook you up when he gets a chance!

There are plenty of cases where incest resulted in no genetic abnormalities. It would be like outlawing the mentally handicapped or midgets from having relations due the the higher propensity of their children coming out with some sort of abnormality.

Not to mention, as homosexuals know, relationships do not always have to be about reproduction. Would you oppose a marriage between two relatives where the man had a vasectomy? Where the woman has had her tubes tied? Where both only engage in protected or oral sex? How about between a brother and a brother?

It's ostensible hypocrisy to condone one but then condemn another under that same common argument that is used to justify homosexuality.

 

[G-Fex]

We all agree it's wrong, but is it a disorder ?

Sure is, one of the worst kind.

Frankly I find beastiality also a disorder, it's pretty much the same thing, all around wrong.

 

[Wiseblade]

Where's creepy gaf when you need them?

Hello there.

Isn't there some sort of official criteria about what should be classified as a disorder? IMO paedophilia is an unhealthy sexual preference that only serves to harm the children involved. If that makes it a disorder, then yes, it is.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Lol ofcourse.

Ok, so you'd rather continue arguing about what you meant? Or did you just want me to tell you you're always right? :lol

 

[CornBurrito]

PEDO DEFENSE FORCE CALLING OTHERS SICK FUCKS.



LMAO.



Oh GAF, never change.

I don't understand how anyone with even a modicum of intelligence could have viewed that post as being for the defense of pedophilia.

Sennorin makes a distinction between pedophiles that act on their urges, and those that don't.

If pedophilia is not a choice, it would arguably be a huge ethical failure to kill/maim pedophiles that don't act on their urges. It falls into thought crime territory.

Show me a post that defends pedophiles that act on their urges (on real children mind you, not lolicon manga) and I'll concede that there is a pedo defense force.

 

[akira28]

*Signs. what do I win ?

Just a monthly drawing. If you win, at some point in time over the year you'll be hit in the head with a large wooden mallet, and will wake up days later with cranberry juice stains.

 

[confused]

Sure is, one of the worst kind.

Frankly I find beastiality also a disorder, it's pretty much the same thing, all around wrong.

It's all around wrong, but is it something that goes wrong in the mnid that can be treated ? Or is it something that people build a preference for ?

Just a monthly drawing. If you win, at some point in time over the year you'll be hit in the head with a large wooden mallet, and will wake up days later with cranberry juice stains.

Awesome, I'm unavailable on thursdays though.

 

[weekend_warrior]

STOP POSTING AND READ MY POST!

edit: cool, top of the page. now everyone will read my post.