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[Prez]

I've had this discussion with a friend and he believes that pedophilia is just a sexual orientation like being straight/gay. He thinks we should accept pedophilia as a sexual orientation but pedophiles should not be allowed to act upon it.

This is exactly what the Vatican thinks of homosexuality. Do you think this mindset is reasonable? Is it reasonable to accept anyone's sexual orientation yet expect them not to act upon it? It seems like such an easy thing to say as a straight or gay person, because society does not condemn you for acting upon your orientation. If you're straight, just try to imagine not being allowed to touch a woman for your entire life. It's not realistic to expect that from anyone.

That's the reason I view pedophilia as a disorder. It's not natural to be attracted to people who aren't sexually developed yet.

 

[Gaborn]

Pedophilia is a disorder because it's fundamentally harmful when acted upon. Homosexuality is considered immoral in some religions but there is nothing harmful merely about gay sex or gay relationships.

 

[IamMattFox]

Don't pedophiles get off in large part because of the power they have over the kiddos?

Disorder.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Oh jeebus not this again.

 

[cackhyena]

It's unreasonable since kids aren't sexually mature. For fucks sake. They aren't mature in any way shape or form to take part in something of that nature. You're friend is gross. Tell him I said so.

 

[sfedai0]

Disorder, because it can be treated.

 

[scar tissue]

If you accept gay as a valid sexual orientation, pedophilia is one too.
Neither makes sense from a natural point of view - no kids will be made.
So yeah, I believe it is a sexual orientation.
That being said, obviously pedophiles should not be allowed to act upon it.

Edit: I'm also pretty sure 'pedophilia treatments' are about as effective as anti-gay camps.
If it were up to me, pedophiles should never be released. You cannot heal them.

 

[Escape Goat]

 

[dinazimmerman]

It's not natural to be attracted to people who aren't sexually developed yet.

So what supernatural force is making pedophiles attracted to kids?

 

[Salih]

Disorder, because it can be treated.

and it works?

If you accept gay as a valid sexual orientation, pedophilia is one too.
Neither makes sense from a natural point of view - no kids will be made.
So yeah, I believe it is a sexual orientation.

or you could say both are a disorder.

 

[Devolution]

I've had this discussion with a friend and he believes that pedophilia is just a sexual orientation like being straight/gay. He thinks we should accept pedophilia as a sexual orientation but pedophiles should not be allowed to act upon it.

This is exactly what the Vatican thinks of homosexuality. Do you think this mindset is reasonable? Is it reasonable to accept anyone's sexual orientation yet expect them not to act upon it? It seems like such an easy thing to say as a straight or gay person, because society does not condemn you for acting upon your orientation. If you're straight, just try to imagine not being allowed to touch a woman for your entire life. It's not realistic to expect that from anyone.

That's the reason I view pedophilia as a disorder. It's not natural to be attracted to people who aren't sexually developed yet.

Disorder. Mostly because there are benefits to homosexuals coupling and not reproducing their own offspring, like being doting uncles and aunties.

Doting uncles and aunties that are pedos? Uh yeah, stay away from my kid. As much as people want me to be accepting of their plight, if I know they're an admitted pedophile I do not want them around my children. Some might think it unfair, the safety of my kid comes first. Do I feel this way with homosexuals? No. With reason.

If you accept gay as a valid sexual orientation, pedophilia is one too.
Neither makes sense from a natural point of view - no kids will be made.
So yeah, I believe it is a sexual orientation.
That being said, obviously pedophiles should not be allowed to act upon it.

One could easily argue homosexuality is natural as well. In various social animals there are parts of the colony/group that do not produce offspring and instead work to ensure the survival of the rest. Homosexuality in humans could easily fit this role.

 

[Vicetrailia]

That's the reason I view pedophilia as a disorder. It's not natural to be attracted to people who aren't sexually developed yet.

Hold on, this doesn't make sense. Who aren't sexually developed?

Honestly, for what reason does this have to be the guideline? What at the back of your mind as an instinct says that you should only be attracted to sexually developed things?

 

[levious]

is that from that South Central tv show?

 

[Gaborn]

If you accept gay as a valid sexual orientation, pedophilia is one too.
Neither makes sense from a natural point of view - no kids will be made.
So yeah, I believe it is a sexual orientation.
That being said, obviously pedophiles should not be allowed to act upon it.

Evolutionary biologists have come to various different conclusions on the relevance of that. Certainly their conclusion is NOT that homosexuality does not make sense from a natural point of view.

 

[Prez]

If you accept gay as a valid sexual orientation, pedophilia is one too.
Neither makes sense from a natural point of view - no kids will be made.
So yeah, I believe it is a sexual orientation.
That being said, obviously pedophiles should not be allowed to act upon it.

This is exactly what my friend thinks and I don't think that is reasonable in any way.

 

[Xater]

Pedophilia is a disorder because it's fundamentally harmful when acted upon. Homosexuality is considered immoral in some religions but there is nothing harmful merely about gay sex or gay relationships.

First reply nails it.

 

[SUPREME1]

ALL pedos should be castrated.

 

[confused]

Disorder, because it can be treated.

Just like being gay could be treated.

It's a terrible sexual orientation, sadly.

 

[Orayn]

ALL pedos should be castrated.

Including the ones who realize it's harmful and have never acted on it in any way?

 

[akira28]

I love how this plays in normal speed and then every 5th or so its in super obvious "I warned you about stairs bro" slowmotion. So very appropriate.

Pedos are sickos. They need help. Also gtfo.

 

[Sneds]

Pedophilia is a disorder because it's fundamentally harmful when acted upon.

It's unreasonable since kids aren't sexually mature. For fucks sake. They aren't mature in any way shape or form to take part in something of that nature.

See:

He thinks we should accept pedophilia as a sexual orientation but pedophiles should not be allowed to act upon it.

 

[Rikyfree]

Just checking in....

Seriously, pedos should be jailed and castrated.

 

[that1dude24]

It's a sexual orientation, but it's harmful if it is acted upon. Gaborn has it right, it's a disorder.

 

[G-Fex]

I really really hate children but it's common sense that pedophilia is wrong.

 

[cackhyena]

See:

Look, reading all those words puts hurts on my brains.

 

[dinazimmerman]

Evolutionary biologists have come to various different conclusions on the relevance of that. Certainly their conclusion is NOT that homosexuality does not make sense from a natural point of view.

Well, there has to be some evolutionary explanation for pedophilia, too, doesn't there? Explained by evolution =/= morally correct.

 

[Devolution]

Pedophilia is a disorder because it's fundamentally harmful when acted upon. Homosexuality is considered immoral in some religions but there is nothing harmful merely about gay sex or gay relationships.

I'd even argue several benefits about gay relationships. Like the ones I see adopting kids instead of producing their own.

Well, there has to be some evolutionary explanation for pedophilia, too, doesn't there? Explained by evolution =/= morally correct.

Can you think of any inherent benefit to pedophilia? Any at all? Even if they don't act on it, it makes them miserable no? And if they dare admit it, a social pariah.

 

[Orayn]

http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq205/Rikyfree/chris-hansen.jpg

Just checking in....

Seriously, pedos should be jailed and castrated.

We don't jail or castrate people just for being sociopaths, and the implications of that are potentially just as bad as pedophilia.

 

[Gaborn]

See:

I saw it. I'm saying the analogy, putting it along side homosexuality is unnecessary. Why is it these comparisons are never pedo vs heterosexuality?

Devolution - Absolutely. Which partially goes to my second post about evolutionary biologists.

 

[Plywood]

Pedophilia is a disorder because it's fundamentally harmful when acted upon. Homosexuality is considered immoral in some religions but there is nothing harmful merely about gay sex or gay relationships.

/thread

But of course it won't be the end, its only just begun.

 

[Speevy]

Gay guys don't generally seek to trick, imprison, or rape their partners, so I'm gonna go with disorder.

 

[Sennorin]

Oh jeebus not this again.

1. This.

2. It´s a sexual attraction/orientation, but *we* call it a disorder to clearly brand it as something inherent negative. What your friend said is pretty much what should happen: Don´t hate pedophiles as long as they´re not acting on their urges. the end.

Edit: I see, we already have some sick fucks calling for "kill them" and "castrate them". smh

 

[akira28]

See:

So. Combat, not acceptance. See, acceptance isn't always correct, particularly in wrong situations.

It isn't about hate Sennorin. I'm not talking about getting out the vans and shipping pedos off to the docks to be drowned en masse in shipping containers. I'm talking about mandated mental health programs to help them get over it. We need studies and treatments. Not rubber bands and denial and "self control".

Acceptance is never an option. Never. NEVER.

 

[confused]

I really really hate children but it's common sense that pedophilia is wrong.

We all agree it's wrong, but is it a disorder ?

 

[Stealth Editor]

Ugh, this is getting old.. real old.

Beside it's completely irrelevant for this thread so far and the background isnt even the right color

 

[levious]

that's like saying don't despise your disgustingly racist uncle if he manages to not blurt out anything in public.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

It is a disorder.

Once you think about it sexual development occurs to find traits in either men or women attractive, and those traits usually are the product of achieving puberty and signify things such as the size of breasts, the muscular form of a man, and such to reproduce and for mutual pleasure. Homosexuality is nothing more than being attracted to the other sex, nothing unnatural about it since you're born with it.

Pedophilia on the other hand isn't about what gender arouses you but the fact that children being of no sexual maturity or of developed mind to pursue these goals, making it rape. And it is a disorder due to it usually being a factor behind these things, which also could be an extreme perversion or deviance. And it has been treated before to success.

 

[Gaborn]

Well, there has to be some evolutionary explanation for pedophilia, too, doesn't there? Explained by evolution =/= morally correct.

There probably IS a biological or psychological explanation for pedophilia. I seriously doubt you'd find a BENEFICIAL explanation like you can with homosexuality though which is what I was responding to.

 

[cackhyena]

We all agree it's wrong, but is it a disorder ?

I personally think so.

 

[ahoyhoy]

Including the ones who realize it's harmful and have never acted on it in any way?

I'm hoping he's referring to those who have acted or attempted to act upon their impulses, rather than those who admit to being attracted to kids in general. In the latter case, the individual is clearly rational and understands how their attraction is not compatible with society, and is thus actively seeking to reduce said urges. Disallowing him/her a sexual drive in a compulsorily manner is unethical.

I'd vote to chemically castrate offenders rather than lock them up for an extended period/life.

 

[Uchip]

its both

 

[samus i am]

Without a doubt it is a disorder.

 

[SUPREME1]

1. This.

2. It´s a sexual attraction/orientation, but *we* call it a disorder to clearly brand it as something inherent negative. What your friend said is pretty much what should happen: Don´t hate pedophiles as long as they´re not acting on their urges. the end.

Edit: I see, we already have some sick fucks calling for "kill them" and "castrate them". smh

PEDO DEFENSE FORCE CALLING OTHERS SICK FUCKS.



LMAO.



Oh GAF, never change.

 

[AlberichMX]

Answering the OP question: Is a disorder.

 

[angelfly]

I see it as a sexual orientation. Aside from being illegal I see it as in the same sort of category as those 80 year old that want the 18 year old wife except they don't acknowledge legal boundaries.

 

[Prez]

I saw it. I'm saying the analogy, putting it along side homosexuality is unnecessary. Why is it these comparisons are never pedo vs heterosexuality?

I mentioned heterosexuality alongside homosexuality in the OP.

There's a fundamental problem with acknowledging any orientation and at the same time not allowing to act upon it.

 

[that1dude24]

Well, there has to be some evolutionary explanation for pedophilia, too, doesn't there? Explained by evolution =/= morally correct.

Not really, disorders and chemical imbalances might have more to do with birth defects rather than having some evolutionary purpose.

PEDO DEFENSE FORCE CALLING OTHERS SICK FUCKS.

LMAO.

Oh GAF, never change.

Personally, I'd consider there being something wrong with you if you're wishing harm or death on somebody for something they can't control.

 

[ghostofsparta]

Pedophilia is a disorder because it's fundamentally harmful when acted upon. Homosexuality is considered immoral in some religions but there is nothing harmful merely about gay sex or gay relationships.

I don't think this is a case of being harmful or not. I think it's a case of can it be treated or not. Can pedophilia be treated?.....Well can homosexuality be "treated"?

 

[Sai-kun]

Just like being gay could be treated.

This is news to me.