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Penn State football pedophilia thread (UPDATE: NCAA sanctions handed down)
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Goddamn Dhalsim is the voice of our generation
It doesn't even have to be something as serious as Sandusky or UW either. People fly into a state of disbelief and aggressive defense when just allegations are brought against their program. See: Cam Newton and Auburn, Oregon and Nike, Kentucky's basketball program, etc.
There's a defense force for that.
There was a thread about it actually.
Pensions don't just go away because you become a felon. Doesn't work like that (as far as I know). Any 'defense force' for it is just common sense GAF.
mambadragon
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I got my undergrad at Penn State, and it's tough. The thing to remember is that there are a lot of professors/students doing great research there - people who couldn't give a shit about football or view it as the simple entertainment it actually is. I think about my friend there who was a Physics major who never went to a sporting event and has passion was the college's juggling club. I think of my best professor there named Panaki Das, and I bet Panaki doesn't even understand the rules of football. As an alumni, I associate myself with the Engineering program and have no ties to football.
There are plenty of intelligent PSUers who don't view Paterno as a golden god and want justice served for these horrible leaders. Yes there are the rioting students and the fans (a weird thing in PA is a lot of people are big PSU sports fans that didn't go to the school) but that's not everyone.
As for the football program being shut down, I want to see it happen in principal, but the sad thing is other parts of the institution would be affected by the money lost from football. Doesn't change wanting to see it shut down, but makes it more complicated than it sounds.
indigo-cyclops
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Nevermind, I need to read more about pensions.
There's no chance lawsuits would change the fact that he's getting it?
With all that's surfacing, I wouldn't be surprsied if PSU football isn't tied to organized crime or something. Death of the DA just solidifies it as a cover up in my mind. Disgusting.
Arrowgigantic
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"Gets to keep" is unlikely. The civil suits will leave him and his wife penniless, as they should be.
indigo-cyclops
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Remember that rumor that there was a "child sex ring" involved in this? Could that be a metaphor of some kind for this level of cover-up? At this point I'm starting to wonder...
ElRenoRaven
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Yup and I believe every goddamn cent of it should go to the victims for life considering what crimes have happened here not only by him but everyone above him that covered it up.
Well that would be one reason for the massive cover up and reason enough for that DA to "disappear". That's another reason I think that DA was killed. If this ring involved people higher up in power in the university and even the state government would they want it coming out? Of course not. so make the DA disappear and proceed to start destroying any evidence you could so that when another came looking into shit they wouldn't find near as much evidence of anyone else's involvement.
Mengy
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I'm not proud of this debacle, but PSU is so, SO much more than just the football program. You can't just hate the whole campus because of this, that would be irrational and unfair to the rest of the school.
Eh, I'm always going to be a bit biased on this because of my time spent there. Although I'll never have a positive reaction again when I hear or see the name Paterno. Any respect I had for the man went out the window. He did so much good for the school in his time there, but if he was capable of THIS for his beloved football program, then who knows what else he turned a blind eye to as well? He certainly wasn't the man I thought he was.
He had a responsibility to the children and students under his care and on the campus. And when it came down to a choice he chose his friend and his football legacy over those kids. I wouldn't have believed it a year ago, but the truth is what it is.
Paterno was a selfish coward.
SouthernDragon
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I'm not proud of this debacle, but PSU is so, SO much more than just the football program. You can't just hate the whole campus because of this, that would be irrational and unfair to the rest of the school.
Eh, I'm always going to be a bit biased on this because of my time spent there. Although I'll never have a positive reaction again when I hear or see the name Paterno. Any respect I had for the man went out the window. He did so much good for the school in his time there, but if he was capable of THIS for his beloved football program, then who knows what else he turned a blind eye to as well? He certainly wasn't the man I thought he was.
He had a responsibility to the children and students under his care and on the campus. And when it came down to a choice he chose his friend and his football legacy over those kids. I wouldn't have believed it a year ago, but the truth is what it is.
Paterno was a selfish coward.
Unfortunately, he tarnished PSU's reputation, especially since the school's identity is so tied up in its football program. Now students on the academic side might feel unfairly maligned.
Sandusky's actions, and his peers' lack of proper action, have damaged children and students beyond count in many ways.
Again, it's certainly fair.
If I was a current student at the school, months ago, I would have walked directly to the administrator/transfer office and done everything possible to get out of there.
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Maybe you should stop assuming so much before you totally lash out at me. Although I do realize this must be rough and you get a lot of smartass remarks from people.
I have previously expressed sympathy for students who have absolutely nothing to do with this. To know you are attending/have previously attended a University that will now forever have the sick and negligent actions by a small group of people a part of its history is a tragedy. I feel really bad. It has to suck for faculty too.
But on the other hand, by "Penn State sports yuppies" I'm implying the neanderthals who are still going to march around campus like JoePa is their lord and savior. You and I both know they're out there, alumni as well. It's that specific mentality I was speaking to, and I'm sorry if you assumed I was generalizing and speaking on behalf of the entire student body. Reading over my post again, I didn't really word it all that well.
Really, I think you misunderstood what I was saying and perhaps it's my fault for not putting it in the right context. But I'm not dumb enough to assume that everyone who attends PSU is a pedo or would condone such behavior. Sorry for getting you all riled up, man. And I truly do feel bad for students/alumni like you who have to deal with the reality of this all.
Someone who didn't have the balls to stand up to a man who worked under him as assistant coach, who also just happened to be a serial pedophile is not a great man. He fucked up, and it will probably cost him his legacy. I can't say I feel bad for him. Joe Paterno had that school in the palm of his hand, and had more than enough power to handle this thoroughly and without bringing down the school with it. Now PSU has a real problem, and it's not right for everyone else to have to be associated with this pure lunacy out of the football program, President of PSU, and of course Sandusky. But most people will be reminded of that when they are told by someone that they went to PSU, and that is a real shame.
This really went all the way to the top and everyone looked the other way. I can't think of a bigger disservice to the students who put in so much faith and loyalty to this University, not to mention the victims themselves.
Bottom line: Everyone who was in on this needs to be punished. The statue needs to come down and the football program needs to be scaled back or eliminated. That's just my opinion, I don't expect everyone to jump on the bandwagon with me.
And fuck Sandusky's pension. They better figure out a way to eliminate that.
I don't think the students have anything to be personally ashamed of, but I don't see how anyone could have any pride in the institution with the knowledge of how thoroughly corrupt it is. To put it another way, I don't think it's fair to say that students are morally obligated to transfer out (if all truly conscientious people leave, how will they set the institution straight?), but I hope that those who stay hold no illusions about the nature of their school and what it, as an institution, is guilty of.
Arrowgigantic
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It's true, it's also the alma mater of Rick Santorum.
vas_a_morir
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But it is also the alma mater of Mengy, Minecraft God.
And a lot of other people.
Rick Santorum is a douchebag and an ideological loon, but even he wouldn't defend these actions (or lack thereof... except for the pedo who was allowed to sexually molest and assault kids whenever he felt like it while no one else gave a shit).
Ninja Scooter
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No, but he would spin them into another reason we should outlaw gay marriage.
BriareosGAF
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To a certain extent that's why I think the most egregious behavior here is really Spanier. The attempt to firewall the entire affair within the athletic dept would be reprehensible but understandable from the perspective of human selfishness and fear. But once it hits the President's office you'd think the broader responsibility to the University (to say nothing of the victims) would compel action. Alas, no.
Joe Shlabotnik
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The problem is that confining the punishment to just the offending people may not be enough of a deterrent to other programs. This all happened because priorities became unfathomably out of whack, and the reputation and survival of the football program was paramount above literally everything else.
If another school's program becomes incredibly successful and profitable, administrators may still feel covering up a similar scandal is "worth it" if there is no real threat to the program even if they are caught harboring a pedophile.
GoldenEye 007
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Well the players I'd feel sorry for. But if it came to that, they would be released from scholarship with no penalty and able to go to another school.
Pollux
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Kalnos, my friend, please never compare our bball program to Pedo State ever again...for the love of God...
I'm just saying that fans get extremely defensive of their favorite team over even the smallest of issues, it doesn't take something this large. I'm not comparing the schools, don't worry.
Pollux
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I'm just saying that fans get extremely defensive of their favorite team over even the smallest of issues, it doesn't take something this large. I'm not comparing the schools, don't worry.
Ah well yes...i recall my priest giving homilies that somehow tied UK bball into whatever the Gospel reading of that week/day was. As a state, we certainly are devoted to our Wildcats. In that regard you are correct.
As sick and twisted as this sounds, a film or novel based on all of this would be story of the year. Thing sells and writes itself. We have vanishing DA's, cult-like culture, cover-up going as high as the governor, riots, trials, slimy defense attorney, all we need now is a cop-and-prosecutor duo who can carry us through the whole plot and BAM, best-seller.
Again, I realize it sounds sick and twisted, but if I was a good writer, I'd be penning the story of "Barry Landunsky" instead of posting on GAF.
Again, I realize it sounds sick and twisted, but if I was a good writer, I'd be penning the story of "Barry Landunsky" instead of posting on GAF.
freenudemacusers
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In a couple of years im sure there will be a law and order episode about this.
Mengy
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Oh God, no.
That's it, I'm burning all of my Penn State stuff today. This is more than I can take!!!!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Great Man being capitalized makes it look like they are talking about Jesus.
I think there needs to be FBI investigations of all the big insular sports programs in College Football. It's time to clean them out like the Catholic Church.
Am I the only one that finds it really funny that CNN blurs out the victims' faces, even in the courtroom artists' sketches?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKMLToLLEqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKMLToLLEqI
ElRenoRaven
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Yea you probably are. I actually respect them for doing that. They're showing some goddamn respect for the victims.
Not "ha ha" funny. Maybe you had to be there.
there's a number of listed offenses that would forfeit a PSU employee's pension, Sandusky's just happen to not be on the list. For instance, perjury would have foreited his pension.
Point being that nobody's going to recognize someone from a courtroom sketch. I understand not publishing names or photographs of victims.
Neuromancer
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Yes.
So, relocate the criminals, tell the victims to legally shut up, and cover it up?
Synth_floyd
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Not that the PSU scandal is on the scale of the Catholic church scandal but in both cases the higherups were more concerned with keeping the power of their organization and deflecting negative publicity of the organization rather than any concern for the victims or common decency.
ElRenoRaven
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Talk about trash. That's all that article is.
cartoon_soldier
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The victims should file a civil suit against PSU, Sandusky and Paterno estate.
Unless they already have..
Unless they already have..
I remember running into Spanier after the Alamo Bowl. Stand-up guy.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Newest Penn State trustee Anthony Lubrano asks for an apology from the board of trustees for firing Joe Paterno.
There are no words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU&feature=youtu.be
There are no words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU&feature=youtu.be
perfectchaos007
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I see Penn State is already putting the same type of people who that got them into this mess back in charge. They haven't learned a damn thing...probably because there was no punishment.
Those are some crazy claims no matter when he made them, but apparently he made them earlier this year. I'd like to see him asked point blank about the email evidence that Paterno was talked to and they decided not to report Sandusky to authorities.
NCAA desperately needs to step in and the lay the hammer down. The school isn't going to clean itself up.
Neuromancer
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What a douche bag.
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