Penny Arcade's Tycho uses vitriol and fancy wording to look like a tool
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Zombie James
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Azih said:
What did Epic promise where that now transferring maps through a memory card/virtually any USB device is so outrageous and difficult to do?
Zombie James
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urk said:
"Transfer cable" = USB (omg, scary!)
"Memory card" = 16MB (omg, have to buy another one if I want to save more than 3 pictures!)
Stoney Mason
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GAF never change.
WHOAguitarninja
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The Faceless Master said:
I would love it if that were possible, but the simple fact the of the matter is you're going to get more people who think they have the bandwidth and don't than people who actually have the bandwidth. It would be GREAT if that weren't the case, but most people don't really understand how networked gaming works and the demands hosting puts on your upload speed.
ickingfudiot
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Did you guys really expect Epic to take on the job of moderating every mod that comes out to approve it for PS3 or something? Are you kidding? The resources any sort of moderation would take are just ridiculous relative to the benefit an end user would get. Come on.
I thought Rein answered the questions fairly and Tycho just came off sounding like a prick. I can understand criticizing not having the process 100% working day one - it's completely valid - but the USB stick transfer method is hardly something to shit a brick over. Blame Sony if anything - good luck getting them to approve any sort of ingame content download method that isn't a patch. They'd probably require you to go through the Playstation Store and mods would NEVER end up on there, that's just laughable.
I thought Rein answered the questions fairly and Tycho just came off sounding like a prick. I can understand criticizing not having the process 100% working day one - it's completely valid - but the USB stick transfer method is hardly something to shit a brick over. Blame Sony if anything - good luck getting them to approve any sort of ingame content download method that isn't a patch. They'd probably require you to go through the Playstation Store and mods would NEVER end up on there, that's just laughable.
Kestastrophe
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It almost seems like Tycho is only really pissed about Rein and EPIC being a mouthpiece for Sony.
Visualante
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Oh bravo! Every PS3 comes with reasonable means to transfer data from PC to PS3, via USB. In some cases you are afforded the convenience of a media bay or wireless.urk said:
Give them time and I'm sure they'll implement a direct download portal when Sony gives such a service the go-ahead.
Yeah, uh, this is really easy to do and I'm getting the benefits of endless user-made content out of it. It could be done better with direct downloading to the PS3 but it doesn't kill anything. I don't even have a 60gig with memory card slots, I just use my PSP and it takes a few mins.
You'd think most people who've tried this out would be happily discussing how awesome it is to play PC maps on their console instead of bitching that it took 3 mins to put it there.
You'd think most people who've tried this out would be happily discussing how awesome it is to play PC maps on their console instead of bitching that it took 3 mins to put it there.
InterMoniker
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What he's complaining about the mods? Fuck that stupid tycho guy. Mark Rein will pwn that skinny little dork.
He's just being a whiny bitch. :lol
He's just being a whiny bitch. :lol
rollingstart
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AtomicShroom said:
um, Far Cry Instincts used a really limited poor map creator, you couldent even use custom textures. It doesnt even begin to compare to what old PC games offered nor what UT3 on PS3 will offer in time.
although user made maps/mods are really early in UT3 for PS3, it is still a huge step for console games to have real custom maps. It is actually really simple to do once you stop complaining about it and actually attempt to install the maps, its even easier than spending money on map packs!
Yeah, it's exactly this gulf between what was promised and the current state of things that prompted the original (and now, epic follow-up) post. Funny thing is, they gave the topic all of a paragraph before. If Mark had let it be (and perhaps not CC'd others on the exchange) it would have been left at that. Now it's on the front page. Whoops.urk said:
Barkley's Justice
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cant you place files on a normal ipod just fine?
Fixed2BeBroken
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InterMoniker said:
you're so cool man.
Stoney Mason
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Dave Long said:
I don't even know what this means.
The Faceless Master
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yet they can figure out how to use a usb key, memory stick, etc, get everything in the right folders, etc... right?WHOAguitarninja said:
I mean isn't the whole point of PSN being an open system that you CAN just download shit straight to your PS3?
Real talk: if you can't grab the maps and tiny admin style mods from servers you're trying to connect to, then this shit is truly worthless. Nobody is going to monitor map sites on the daily to keep themselves up to date with every little update to bigkitchen003 and Fragking's Instagib Pro.
Real talk: if you can't grab the maps and tiny admin style mods from servers you're trying to connect to, then this shit is truly worthless. Nobody is going to monitor map sites on the daily to keep themselves up to date with every little update to bigkitchen003 and Fragking's Instagib Pro.
Stoney Mason
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Borys said:
uh huh.
Visualante said:
Eh, I was just pointing out the flaw in the analogy. One of Tycho's complaints is that for many PS3 owners, additional hardware is required.
I think it's a good think that user content is coming to a console, no matter how it gets there. Hopefully, this will show Sony (and Microsoft) that it's not as scary as they think.
But there is quite a bit of difference between the way Mark presented it and what's actually happening, which appears to be the most significant issue here. Blown out of proportion? E-penis waiving? Yup. But maybe the dude will start wrangling his "Gears can't be done on PC" level marketing bullshit and just stick to the facts from now on.
Metalmurphy
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What the hell? oO
Tycho is being a total ass...
Not once Mark Reign said the game would support getting mods directly from the PS3, it was hinted for the FUTURE.
And what's the problem with these:
And saying the PS3 version wasn't ready to receive mods at launch is WRONG. No matter how you try to spin it.
What's next? Gonna complain the fact that you need an internet connection to download the mods and winrar/zip to extract them?
Tycho is being a total ass...
Not once Mark Reign said the game would support getting mods directly from the PS3, it was hinted for the FUTURE.
And what's the problem with these:
And saying the PS3 version wasn't ready to receive mods at launch is WRONG. No matter how you try to spin it.
What's next? Gonna complain the fact that you need an internet connection to download the mods and winrar/zip to extract them?
The Faceless Master
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no, it's not classier, hence the 'almost'.v0yce said:
okay, maybe it's slightly classier, but only because they started it!!!
*points*_leech_ said:
There are expectations, based on previous games.
In UT2004 (and previous UTs) if you join a server with any mods/mutators you don't have, it automatically downloads everything you need, right there If the mods are too big or you don't want to take the time to do so, a simple F10 quits you out and you can choose a different server.
This is how it should have been, not this clusterfuck we have with the PS3 version, right now.
Fixed2BeBroken
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SRG01 said:
uh, that can be said for people in this very thread if u replace game's with something else..
Draft said:
Downloading from the server is a good option for dedicated servers, but I don't think it would be fast enough on a peer-to-peer server.
Even though I would like it to function that way, this USB option guarantees that no outside source can censor the content.
If there was a central repository for UT3 mods, it would have to be moderated. If Epic hosted a Master Chief mod, they'd get slammed. But copyright holders can't regulate the existing USB option.
I wish gamers stopped asking for a walled garden when Epic is giving us unprecedented flexibility.
Why even offer mod support when you know that the console maker is going to need certain controls over all the mods that get made? This will happen either because of distribution issues, hacking the console itself via the mod, or just because of content.Stoney Mason said:
You just can't turn people loose on a game console the same way you can on a PC. If you do, the console maker gets angry about something or blocks something and suddenly your entire userbase is up in arms over it on the Internet.
Leaving out the mod support on PS3 would've been the better option here, or simply keeping Unreal Tournament III on the PC and making it the best it could be on there instead of splitting time with PS3 development.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Crushed said:
:lol
Stoney Mason
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Dave Long said:
Plenty of developers do alright making PC/Console games. If they failed here the failure is simply on them. Personally I think they simply over-promised and delivered a very niche solution. If their game doesn't sell it falls on them.
MoxManiac said:
That is unfair, you can´t ask a propietary console to offer the same freedom and versatility of a non propietary platform.
Maybe it would be better that the console version didn´t offer anything of this "editor" stuff, console owners should be glad of being able to use half assed editors that just modify created maps.
HocusPocus
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Draft said:
Exactly.
WHOAguitarninja
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The Faceless Master said:
I understand your point, but I just don't think that precludes that they'll understand the additional burden put on the game by allowing downloadable content during gameplay. Most casual users don't tend to bother to stop and think about alot of the options they choose that don't directly affect gameplay. It used to happen alot in the early days of Unreal when someone would host a server on their computer and would enable autodownloading but didn't have the bandwidth for it. Everyones ping times would shoot up and the experience as a whole would suffer.
Granted...this doesn't apply to everyone...and it would be great if they built in some sort of network test to have it autodetect if you could select the option based on the number of people you were going to let into the server. But it doesn't, unfortunately.
theBishop said:
THIS. Everyone slagging on epic should read this and consider it very carefully.