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Persona 4 Arena Ultimax |OT| It's SHO time!
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Actually, yeah, why are we talking about nerfing DPs? Particularly the DP motion? There's nothing wrong with it; it being a simple 2-button press is a good thing, if anything.
Lostconfused
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Although characters do have tighter more difficult options like 2B and auto correcting attacks that would avoid guessing a left/right directional input.
I don't see why guessing would be necessarily a bad thing. That and B+D isn't the only way to counter that. You have your options of 2B, roll, possibly backdash. I sort of feel like that move should've been -1 or 0 to begin with
I just don't think it's exactly necessary, that's just me. As it is, I just IB while getting my fingers ready on B+C+D if I'm not doing that other option select. Oh well, the game is what it is, and I've already accepted how the series is as a whole.
Edit: Just to clarify, the furious action input does fit the game. The game is meant to ease new players, and it's there to also help combat the amount of offensive pressure the game has, so I'm fine how it is, and it doesn't need to be changed. It's not for me, something like UNIB's defensive options is something I like more.
I would counter that the B+D input does more than just "fit in a crazy and bullshit game" though. For how incredibly fast and invisible some mixups are in this game it is almost required for a DP to be two buttons. Hell, I don't even know if "required" is the right word, almost like "the motion or lack thereof doesn't even matter" given how strong offense is.
EDIT: WHOOPS you changed your post while I was typing. Dammit Rhapsody!
Yeah, I neglected 2B in my explanation. Some characters have bad 2Bs though. Also I find it funny that Minazuki actually has a LOT of trouble countering his own teleport with 2B.
Rolling is a good answer too. Rolling overall is strong in this game and it's two buttons, lol.
EDIT: WHOOPS you changed your post while I was typing. Dammit Rhapsody!
Yeah, I neglected 2B in my explanation. Some characters have bad 2Bs though. Also I find it funny that Minazuki actually has a LOT of trouble countering his own teleport with 2B.
Rolling is a good answer too. Rolling overall is strong in this game and it's two buttons, lol.
Lostconfused
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Rolls in my opinion are not a good answer to a teleport since it will put you closer to Minazuki and might not cross him up if the roll is short enough. New players holding back against a cross up teleport is also great as they close the distance for you making it easier to combo and removing the need for micro dashing.
Edit: As for rolling through the teleport you either have to do it really early so you can beat the start up of 5A or do it later and have a reversal ready or hold back and end up in a block string. 2B is the better option on reaction it looks like to me oh and since its air unblockable it will also beat ex teleport DP bait. Of Course this was without microdashing 5A, so crossing up a microdash might make roll more useful.
You don't want to do it too early lol. The timing is obviously harder than a DP but its not that hard. Netplay obviously makes things a bit more difficult.
Edit: As for rolling through the teleport you either have to do it really early so you can beat the start up of 5A or do it later and have a reversal ready or hold back and end up in a block string. 2B is the better option on reaction it looks like to me oh and since its air unblockable it will also beat ex teleport DP bait. Of Course this was without microdashing 5A, so crossing up a microdash might make roll more useful.
I'm just for motions being simpler, not more complicated. Of the Divekick mentality, I think it's best when user error regarding inputs is not that much of a factor in a game, which leaves more room to actually think about when the best time to make use of a tool is, and be able to always perform it flawlessly without being frustrated because one got the motion down wrong when the plan they had come up with would have worked if it weren't for the motion.
I think it's part of why Smash is so popular. It's a very different fighting game compared to the typical 2D fighter, but universal and simple inputs makes it easier to do what you want to do, when you want to. That's why I don't think B+D is a bad thing for DPs, and why I think it's only a bad thing if one (or one's going against an opponent who) can't defend against them, which is then not about the motions at all but about predicting an opponent's movement.
Where I come from a reversal and/or a DP is a luxury, not a right.
Just wanted to say that, ignore me.
Yeah, definitely, especially on that latter for smash. It's interesting since it's all about balance on easy inputs (so people do actions they want instead of struggle with inputs) or balancing a move on having a slightly more complex input (360s etc).
I have no idea why they decided to leave those as they are. Should've at least made Liz like Margarets, but you can hold it to make it like her old DP or something.
In other news, been working on Aigis even more now. I tried using Shadow, but regular is just so much more fun. Like the first game, I'm still pretty awful starting offense or playing neutral, but I like Aigis as a character a lot, so I want to make it work.
The Yo Tornado
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Hey man, I'll ride the Labrys train until the wheels fall off. Of course, I dabble with other characters to keep from going insane. That DP is atrocious though. Nothing makes me want to go back to Blazblue more than my DP taking so long to come out that my opponent can DP themselves on reaction and punish it. Hell, some characters can jump cancel their attacks on reaction and punish me from behind.
The game balancing is on ASW, according to the interviews they've had. Wonder if some outliers like Liz and Labrys could see revisions once the arcade version is updated.
I would've, but I actually liked the first game's Labrys more. So I didn't like the new changes aside from a few things.
Being able to hold 22x Tsurugi (?) was really fun. And I liked that j.A had a cross up hitbox. There was no reason to remove that :/
The Yo Tornado
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Yeah I preferred vanilla P4A and I think Labrys is the main reason. I miss her 5AA being -1 and being able to go into red axe super out of 214A. I keep doing that on instinct and then blowing all my axe and getting fatal'd for it.
Err, yeah that was a flub on my part.
I just think it's incredibly strange that a character like Yu managed received more buffs and less nerfs than a character like Labrys. And it's not just Yu; for better or for worse, it's pretty clear that they simply tried harder when it came to re-examining other characters in general (such as Mitsuru, Yosuke, Akihiko and Kanji.) Labrys's changes feel half-assed, disingenuous and downright cruel by comparison (she even got frame data nerfs!!). Her existence as a fighting game character is just baffling and irritating to me.
I can somewhat sympathize with how Liz ended up (she's inherently a difficult character to balance) but there's no reason why Labrys still sucks. There wasn't even a proper attempt at making her better in P4AU.
I'm all about that 9.5k health life. A large part of the reason why i'm putting work into learning how to play Margaret is due to her solid health.
ShadowSoldier89
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they should make it so 5BB > 2B for marie links without delaying the second B. One of the most annoying chains ive ever had to deal with, and just fucked in net play
I think it should be 6B+D just so you can't mash it as an option select while being pressured. Yeah, baited DP's will get you blown up in this game, so they're always risky, but I still think you should have to fully commit to your DP, and 6B+D would achieve that while keeping the input simple.
Isn't that the DP/Throw OS or something?
Lostconfused
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I won't be home until evening, and I haven't touched this game in like a week OTL.
Lostconfused
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Finally got home, should probably try to put some time in this today.
ShadowSoldier89
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so, does anyone here have some photoshop skills and would be willing to help me out?
Basically instead of playing persona I've been busy building this:
And now that I'm almost done I need a marquee. I tossed the logos for blazblue, persona, and guilty going across but I can seem to come up with a background that looks like anything other than shit.
So if anyone is bored and willing to help me out, toss me a PM
Basically instead of playing persona I've been busy building this:
And now that I'm almost done I need a marquee. I tossed the logos for blazblue, persona, and guilty going across but I can seem to come up with a background that looks like anything other than shit.
So if anyone is bored and willing to help me out, toss me a PM
LelouchViBritannia
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Why is Narukami so broken? Didnt they test the console version before release?
Examples as to how Narukami is broken?
Lostconfused
Member
I'd play anyone if they want to partner up for practice.
Evenings though since I am bussy with work.
Evenings though since I am bussy with work.
Combine Sho and Minazuki, pool the special moves, etc
Unrelated tangent but earlier today (during ranked match) I was told I was playing Yu wrong after I beat a Margaret (with an almost perfect record) by repeatedly tossing out zios as they sat across the screen, before trying for a mixup. I wasn't trying to spam, I just wanted to see if I could get them to budge, but apparently that was wrong of me...
Dude apologized later but it was just such a weird thing to bite my head off about, but maybe I'm lucky that that was my first unpleasant online experience in ultimax.
There's a random pointless story for you all, I wouldn't have brought it up but it felt so bizarre to me ¯_(ツ
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Dude apologized later but it was just such a weird thing to bite my head off about, but maybe I'm lucky that that was my first unpleasant online experience in ultimax.
There's a random pointless story for you all, I wouldn't have brought it up but it felt so bizarre to me ¯_(ツ
_/¯Shadow characters have actual bursts now? Either that, or it's just a visual indicator for something else?
Anyway, hoping for some reasonable balance adjustments.
There are people like that around the net. Don't let it ruin the experience. Just remember if they can't get around whatever you're doing, you're doing it right.
Anyway, hoping for some reasonable balance adjustments.
Unrelated tangent but earlier today (during ranked match) I was told I was playing Yu wrong after I beat a Margaret (with an almost perfect record) by repeatedly tossing out zios as they sat across the screen, before trying for a mixup. I wasn't trying to spam, I just wanted to see if I could get them to budge, but apparently that was wrong of me...
Dude apologized later but it was just such a weird thing to bite my head off about, but maybe I'm lucky that that was my first unpleasant online experience in ultimax.
There's a random pointless story for you all, I wouldn't have brought it up but it felt so bizarre to me ¯_(ツ
There are people like that around the net. Don't let it ruin the experience. Just remember if they can't get around whatever you're doing, you're doing it right.
Sure but in return, Aigis's orgia mode has to function like it does in Persona 3.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
all I ask is the removal of the delay needed to chain Marie's 5BB > most anything
and remove yukari from the game, thatd be cool too
and remove yukari from the game, thatd be cool too
What annoys you most about Yukari?
LelouchViBritannia
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Nerf Narukami to hell, and BUFF Junpei and Liz as much as humanly possible.
Was this close to disconnecting from an opponent when I was about to lose my promotion match to Grand Master. Moral fortitude got in the way, heh. One can only get there by winning against opponents ranked Master and above, so it's probably the last chance I'll get since, outside of Japanese players, I've gone against a grand total of two others at that rank.
Shouldn't be focusing on that so much.
Shouldn't be focusing on that so much.