Petrock123
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I do everything wrong that was described in the video. I tried not DP'ing as much today but the urge was too great.
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Judging by your avatar you play Yosuke, so go nuts.
Petrock123
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I actually play mainly Adachi, though rather poorly
. I got my avatar off of some Space Jam mix with Yosuke's theme.I tried using other characters, but they seem so much harder to use/get good combos with. For example, with Aigis it was basically impossible for me to do any decent combos, it took me a long time just to get to Challenge 20. I occasionally use Elizabeth online, but basically all I do is hope that I can win with 5C, 2C, the occasional 5D, and random Ghastly Wails (no real combos).
Petrock123
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Yeah, Adachi's DP is somewhat slow compared to others. The overhead catches some people, I even used it a couple times against people blocking low to end games. Occasionally I'll whiff the overhead and someone will try to punish but the kick gets them.
I think its horizontal range is pretty good (as far as, if not farther than, his non-persona normals), and vertical range actually isn't too bad. It's just that against people who decide to jump and set something up on my wakeup, if I DP I sometimes lunge right underneath them and whiff the whole thing.
On the bright side, Adachi can combo off CH, but that's going to be removed in 2.0. But it's also being reduced to 5% blue health, which is good, but I don't really get why it was 10% in the first place. It's not like it was extremely good in the first place. Maybe since it was a relatively quick overhead they wanted to make it so you can't constantly make enemies guess between ending blockstrings high or low? IDK honestly.
I think its horizontal range is pretty good (as far as, if not farther than, his non-persona normals), and vertical range actually isn't too bad. It's just that against people who decide to jump and set something up on my wakeup, if I DP I sometimes lunge right underneath them and whiff the whole thing.
On the bright side, Adachi can combo off CH, but that's going to be removed in 2.0. But it's also being reduced to 5% blue health, which is good, but I don't really get why it was 10% in the first place. It's not like it was extremely good in the first place. Maybe since it was a relatively quick overhead they wanted to make it so you can't constantly make enemies guess between ending blockstrings high or low? IDK honestly.
The Yo Tornado
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Finally made it to red, and perfect timing with BBCPEX right around the corner. It's funny, a run of Mitsurus, Yosukes and Chies nearly brought me down to a light green and then a run of not having to face those characters brought me all the way up to red. I don't know if that's an indictment of how match-up heavy this game is, or how incompetent I am at learning said match-ups.
(Probably more that I'm bad and play bad characters.)
The Yo Tornado
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IAD back jD to cut off Jiraiya's jD/5D. Pray I get a counterhit 2B/jB. If I block I lose. The S-Hold gimmick usually only works once. It is not fun, lol.
Nah she has worse matchups than Mitsuru and Chie. Yosuke is Yosuke though
The Yo Tornado
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I'm curious as to what they are. I don't really have major problems with other characters unless it's user error on my end. Yu, maybe, but I generally do alright when I pick Kanji against him.
It really is awful.
Then you jump on the machine and the zero-bars swarm, and bitch when you tell them you don't want to play.
Shouta
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I didn't see any offers today mostly because I didn't ask here, lol
Oh, yeah, I didn't ask today. I'll have to ask whenever I have the time again.
Shouta
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Seattle to Texas or TN would probably be badddd, lol.
Yukari vs Ken is annoying for Ken but not nearly as bad as Aigis is for him. I played DC in the side tourney at FR and he was using Yukari too. Aside from being rusty and tired from traveling, it wasn't a rough match-up though I lost because of the above.
My Ken isn't anything like Axis', or Shaka's since you're often in his channel when streaming Mdesilva. Or at least I think that's you, lol. I don't use the combo routes that they use, which as far as I can tell are derived more from Kubo's stuff. I end up getting slightly more damage overall or a lot more damage with clean B punishes. =o
Yukari vs Ken is annoying for Ken but not nearly as bad as Aigis is for him. I played DC in the side tourney at FR and he was using Yukari too. Aside from being rusty and tired from traveling, it wasn't a rough match-up though I lost because of the above.
My Ken isn't anything like Axis', or Shaka's since you're often in his channel when streaming Mdesilva. Or at least I think that's you, lol. I don't use the combo routes that they use, which as far as I can tell are derived more from Kubo's stuff. I end up getting slightly more damage overall or a lot more damage with clean B punishes. =o
I'm in North Texas and my internet is (usually) pretty good so I actually can connect to most people in the US pretty well, so it's worth a try.
Yukari vs Ken is probably even actually. But a good Yukari can mess you up. Luckily for everyone else, those don't exist in the US. The few of us that actively play working on it though, and we're also trying to teach other players how this character works too so they can learn to fight or play as her.
Yukari vs Ken is probably even actually. But a good Yukari can mess you up. Luckily for everyone else, those don't exist in the US. The few of us that actively play working on it though, and we're also trying to teach other players how this character works too so they can learn to fight or play as her.
ShadowSoldier89
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If they're not a friend, kick 'em off the cab.
Petrock123
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Does watching the entire intro improve anything if you're at a decent-good connection (3bar connection) ? Just wondering cuz today I had a 3 bar with someone, and (s)he got mad and told me to leave since I kept skipping part of the intro. I know that if you're at a 0 bar, then it might be better to wait the whole thing.
Looking at the Narukami frame data for 2.0. SB stab super is now 3+1 now interestingly enough.
Still wondering why I would use SB Heroic Bravery in 2.0. It's not a grab and does +3 on block, but 2.0 SB Zio is +11 with 18 startup.
Edit: Assuming all of these are now accurate https://twitter.com/akio520/status/587333085844279296
Still wondering why I would use SB Heroic Bravery in 2.0. It's not a grab and does +3 on block, but 2.0 SB Zio is +11 with 18 startup.
Edit: Assuming all of these are now accurate https://twitter.com/akio520/status/587333085844279296
Petrock123
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OK thanks, I thought it was a bit unnecessary to go through the whole thing. Not exactly sure why I was told to leave the station. I think I just have some ability to piss people off when I play. Even today, I was getting beaten a ton by some guy, but s(he) still complained alot about my '2 button netplay tactics' (DP and rolling a lot, not even necessarily on wakeup). It was somewhat funny to me, though apparently I'm going on youtube for the time(s) that I got completely destroyed.
Petrock123
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Netplay tactics means things that you can do just because of lag right? Because we were on a 4 bar, so I'm not sure if netplay is the right word to use. Noob-friendly tactics, I can agree with, especially since that's part of the reason why I use the characters I use.
But yeah, things happen in lobbies. Arguments, calling each other noobs, and waifu wars come to mind. I think there's a player I see somewhat frequently who almost never fights in the lobbies, and I'm guessing it's to witness these events.
The Yo Tornado
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The RPers are the goofiest shit I've ever seen. There were a ton back in the BBCP lobbies as well. Don't even attempt to play the game. They just sit there and try, in the worst manner possible, to act like their avatar. I've seen enough chibi Adachis running around calling people whores for one lifetime.
Petrock123
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I think I've only witnessed one or two RPers in P4AU lobbies, to be honest, and even then I'm not entirely sure since I didn't read enough of the conversations. I've seen people calling each other 'free' and saying they'll 5-0 each other, or saying they suck even though they lose many times in succession. Also I saw someone run around saying 'Chie is worst girl' or something, which quite quickly got at least one person to respond and say the offender's avatar (Mitsuru) sucks and Chie is best.
Petrock123
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Fought a good Kanji player today and the player said I gave some Adachi matchup experience. I feel kind of bad though since I may have given the impression that half of Adachi's gameplan is to J.C and DP as often as possible, and also randomly throwing out J.2D and Sb Atom Smashers.
How are other ArcSys fighters compared to P4AU, if anyone played those? I saw a few gameplay videos of Guilty Gear Xrd and characters seem to noticeably slower around the screen.
How are other ArcSys fighters compared to P4AU, if anyone played those? I saw a few gameplay videos of Guilty Gear Xrd and characters seem to noticeably slower around the screen.
ShadowSoldier89
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As far as raw game speed goes, Persona is the fastest ASW game out there. Characters and animations and thigns are just quick. As far as pacing goes, Xrd is probably much faster. BBCP is also really fast paced. The thing about Persona is, even though the game speed is fast, neutral plays out at a slow pace for a huge number of reasons, and once pressure starts you can take more time to make certain kinds of decisions. In Xrd, if you get put into a situation you don't have time to think, you just gotta do something.
BB varies a bit more in pacing, it can be stupid fast or pretty tame depending on how the MU is playing out.
Also, Persona is the most simple and straightforward. Hitboxes tend to make more sense, the game is focused on more traditional neutral (P4U vanilla especially so), and execution and confirms aren't super strict. In fact, Persona is the least strict of the big 3 ASW games so it lends itself to be the one that gives the player the most creativity in deciding how they wanna do things at the basic level. Then you go play Xrd and the game is more about crazy neutral and characters being very strong, and BB is probably the most tame but has a lot of different decision making and reactions to mess with.
Petrock123
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OK thanks. I'm not exactly good at any of the fighting games I've played, and my execution and reaction speeds are pretty bad. I thought that maybe since the characters seemed to move a bit slower in Xrd that maybe the game's pacing might be a bit slower and possibly easier on defence. I haven't really seen any blazblue though, outside of maybe 1 video a while ago.
cj_iwakura
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So uh, LTTP, but get. If people still play this, you know who to add.
So uh, LTTP, but get. If people still play this, you know who to add.
Who do you plan to use? I still play all the time.
cj_iwakura
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Elizabeth. Sub undecided. Oh my god, Adachi's colors are amazing. Katsuya AND Kyouji Kuzunoha!?
I'm so sorry
cj_iwakura
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I'll live. I main Tsubaki in BB. Mine is the road of suffering.
cj_iwakura
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Elizabeth has been downright spayed in this version.
She's still my main, but yeesh.
Adachi is my definite sub. He's growing on me fast, and his voice is the best.
She's still my main, but yeesh.
Adachi is my definite sub. He's growing on me fast, and his voice is the best.
So I made a quick video on punishing Yosuke's DP with Yukari. Orbs being as active as they are really helps to hit counters during their recovery
https://youtu.be/bM5bkOIbKA8
Also if you haven't checked out my channel yet you should, I have videos of other Yukari tech, matches with players like Jona, Tectal, and LK, and mirrored P4U2 vids from nico. Sorry for the self-promotion >.<
https://youtu.be/bM5bkOIbKA8
Also if you haven't checked out my channel yet you should, I have videos of other Yukari tech, matches with players like Jona, Tectal, and LK, and mirrored P4U2 vids from nico. Sorry for the self-promotion >.<
cj_iwakura
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I find it hilarious how good Adachi's Ziodyne is. Makes him better at pressure than Elizabeth used to be.
Adachi's 5D or j.D? That's a horrible move, in general.
cj_iwakura
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5D. And yeah, the startup is awful, but so good if it goes through.
Even if it doesn't get punished during start-up, what it does is let the opponent build a whole bunch of free meter by insta blocking it relentlessly. An awful move to use at neutral, and is basically only useful right after the opponent's been knocked down or when they're on the defensive for whatever reason, to push them towards the wall or for mix-ups.
cj_iwakura
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The Fog is such hype music for a fight, unstoppable.