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Persona Community Thread |OT6| Where 6 Comes Before 5 (No PQ or P4U spoilers!)
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buddha0991
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Reanimatoin
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Or
Ikutsuki
Maya Okamura
technically Izanami too. There was no "redemption" for her, it was just her going "okay you proved your point, but I'm still right and you might see this in the future" kind of stuff.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Honestly, any time a rival character says "friendship is stupid!" and is not presented to be the main antagonist of the story (Sho is clearly not the main antagonist, someone else is pulling the strings), it's basically a guarantee that by the end of the story they will not only have learned more about the power of friendship, they will probably, if not reluctantly, make friends themselves.
This is textbook shounen, people.
Meanwhile, (P3 spoilers):
Like I said, there's two Sho's: One to be redeemed and one to actually be the big bad.
This is textbook shounen, people.
Meanwhile, (P3 spoilers):
Ikutsuki gets around this because he wasn't revealed to be against friendship from the start. His character is built around his twist, hence why he can go mad without receiving redemption.
Like I said, there's two Sho's: One to be redeemed and one to actually be the big bad.
Those two I would argue are more tragic and pathetic, respectively.
The former
has his life stolen from him and is forced to take life shortening drugs so his Persona doesn't murder him in his sleep. He's unrepentant of his actions, but he never would have gotten to that point on his own.
is motivated just to get some attention. He's a pathetic rat with no redeeming qualities, but his murder of Morooka was something he did less out of malice and more of an all consuming desire to be important.
Persona hasn't done all out, balls to the wall evil yet with any of its characters, even
the culprit of P4 ultimately ends up giving you a clue to finding the truth.
buddha0991
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You should play P2.
Hot Coldman
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what about the dude who wrote It's Time To Make History
WellBattle6
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r.i.p. Persona 1 and Persona 2.
r.i.p
Night Queen, Pandora, Tomomi Fujimori, King Leo, Hitler, Maya Okamura, Nyarlathotep.
Worse than dead, forgotten. ;_;
And the dude pulling his strings.
A Dead Diehard
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Oh my God.
Soul Hackers is the one with the lime green hair chick in the black bike suit, right?
Every time.
Yeah, Adolf Hitler was a really-
DAMMIT.
It's just a hunch based on experience. I seriously doubt they'll treat him like the villains you listed for a few reasons:
1. His backstory. The villains you mentioned have little to no backstory.
2. His relevance to the story is much more significant than the characters you listed.
3. He's a victim, which in turn makes him sympathetic.
4. The villains you listed were plot devices. A means to an end. You could barely call them fully fledged characters.
5. He hasn't done anything super unforgivable. (yet)
6. He isn't designed to look ugly / visually unappealing. His design doesn't scream "a villain that'll go down with the ship." You only have to compare him to someone like
Mitsuo
And let's be real here. You really think a character like Sho is going to go down without doing something? His visual design is textbook rival character.
I mean look at this screenshot:
(Yu: I'll make you see the error of your ways grrrrrr!)
You cannot tell me with a straight face that they won't do something meaningful with his character.(besides "going down with the ship"). Hell no. I refuse to accept it. It won't wash.
I'm going to be blunt; his personality in the trailer is irrelevant. His attitude in the trailer does not preclude him for heel-face turning. It does not preclude him from pulling a big damn heroes moment. It does not preclude him sacrificing himself. The trailer a preliminary look at it his character. Taking his initial personality and using it as some truth to determine what will happen to him is pointless. It's like assuming
Joker's
I mean, all I got are hunches. But for some reason... I feel like i'm going to be right in the end.
This. It's anime 101, lol.
Don't bother spoiler-tagging this, mate. Rules don't apply tonight.
You're not wrong, but I don't think it will apply to Sho. I am sincerely expecting redemption.
buddha0991
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I just got all-out-attacked by PersonaGAF.
I was more referring to the human antagonists of the series, but, yeah,
Nyarlathotep
he's born of every single malevolent thought and action of humanity. Evil is kind of hard bred into him.
buddha0991
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Bu... but.... half the people in my list are human!
brb gonna go cry in the corner of woe with buddha and a few others. ;_;
In regards to Persona 3 tho:
Takaya is a murdering asshole with no redeeming qualities even before he tries to end the world
Reanimatoin
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I fixed it, although a little less snark would be appreciated.
No way. Have you seen his hair? Just about the most redeeming quality in the entire franchise right there.
It's the most appropriate comparison because of that, not to mention the whole fact that they're both spin offs of the same series.
When a game like Chrono Trigger exists, one that's nearly 20 years old and still plays great, how old an RPG is can only be so much of an excuse for certain faults.
A Dead Diehard
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My inner sadist wants some artwork of Mitsuo screaming in a straightjacket from his padded cell.
Just sayin.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
1. Ratchet and Clank :Up Your Arsenal
2. Persona 4 Golden
3. Here comes the pain.
4. Final Fantasy X-2. (Haters gonna hate)
5. The last of Us.
2. Persona 4 Golden
3. Here comes the pain.
4. Final Fantasy X-2. (Haters gonna hate)
5. The last of Us.
LelouchViBritannia
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I hope this anit another Naruto/Obito thing. Come on Sho, be the ultimate villain.
There are 2 Shos. Here's hoping one is completely evil. I really hope he's not bipolar :[
On the one hand, I meant no offense (Sincerely!) and I apologise.
On the other hand, I probably shouldn't have to come into the thread and say "Hey, no posting spoilers from the end of a game." or "Hey, let's not derail the thread for two pages whilst we stop discussing things and just shout lists into the ether".
I hate you both.
Actually it was mentioned (and promptly ignored) by someone above. I'm curious to see the context of it.
That's because that is a super duper cringey thing to say/happen.
Well it is Arena we're talking about. That game where Kanji manages to roll into a television while asleep in spite of said TV's screen being nowhere near the floor.
Ah, must have missed that while glossing over the discussion. Good that someone pointed it out.
I think it's fine. Just as fine as P2, P3 or P4's themes that friendship grants power.
It's like one step away from asking about his power level.
I have a faint glimmer of hope that this might not turn out to be as cliché-filled as everyone is expecting it to be based on Wadas claim that the theme is "to stand up and be proud". I would assume that this means that characters stick to their ideals and that Sho goes down with his claims. I mean, if
is any indication, Sho won't win, but he might at least stay true to himself which - after all - is THE overarching theme of the entire series.
I might do that.
P4G's epilogue
I might do that.
And then I suddenly remembered that arguing about the nuanced complexities of Ultimax's plot is basically an exercise in masochism.
Reanimatoin
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It's OK, I saw the thread had been a bit......squiffy, the past couple pages.
At the very least, my image was with no context given other than "here is an evil man".
Spectrasonic
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MINAZUKI, WHAT DOES THE SCOUTER SAY ABOUT NARUKAMI'S POWER LEVEL?!
IT'S OVER 9000 O_O
Arena does seem to be embracing some Shounen tropes in the name of humor tho.
Huh, I didn't even think about that.
That is, the P4G epilogue.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Labrys probably has that as a built in feature. That or they'll reveal that Sho is actually the one who drove the car that killed Chisato Dojima.
We're way past this point but I just want to say I kinda dropped P4 Vanilla after I got to
. Just couldn't take all the times I got up to the last phase only to be destroyed by Unerring Justice.
That's when I picked up Nocturne, which ironically enough has been a lot easier for me.
Kunino-Sagiri
That's when I picked up Nocturne, which ironically enough has been a lot easier for me.
Chisato is Sho's wife-arm, infused into him with the power of papilion heart.