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Persona Community Thread |OT8| Coming Winter 2014
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A Dead Diehard
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Still, I guess it's technically better than press conferences where they pay people to be a cheering audience.
Still, I guess it's technically better than press conferences where they pay people to be a cheering audience.
I thought that everyone liked those energetic "Wooooo"'s in conferences
sackboy2197
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I mean, I think I prefer that to audiences that stay quiet during all the announcements.
Persona 5 engine to be reused for more 15 years confirmed.
So happy japanese folks praise the demon negotiation and the game atmosphere. I wonder what about Persona 1 they found, though, but I think in the end the game is a heavy mix from Persona 2 and Persona 3 and I can't be happier.
Funyarinpa
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Saw this on Twitter, Persona 5's original concept was going to be backpacking around the world, but it seems the 2011 earthquake changed Hashino's line of thought.
CrimsonFist
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#FE had a lot of interesting gameplay ideas, and I feel like the entertainment industry and ancient mythology is actually really good combination that you could do some interesting things with, which #FE kind of touches on, but I guess the Fire Emblem aspects kind of held them back from going any further with that.
Besides, the world travelling thing is just Jojo's part 3 anyway.
Persona 5 to have equaled Jojo part 3 while Persona 4 did part 4?
But aren't very often the hardcore fans the most critical when it comes to new entries?
At this point I'd say we aren't going to. They've been keeping it under wraps for so long now, I can't see them unveiling it now.
CrimsonFist
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I think they might show him. He's omitted from some art which we're going to have to see the full version of before launch, and they still haven't added him to the website, whilst Igor who only got his P5 art this week was added today. Plus his thief form cutin is on the PS4 bonus theme with the LE, along with some of the store promo bonuses.
On the other hand, Dengeki put out a Persona 5 survey today, which had Goro in the "other characters" category, rather than the "main characters" category.
On the other hand, Dengeki put out a Persona 5 survey today, which had Goro in the "other characters" category, rather than the "main characters" category.
I wonder what backpacking around the world in a persona game would be? It'd have to be a pretty drastic departure considering the series, at least since 3, has been about repetition through a calendar system.
I kind of hope they store those ideas and use them in some kind of concept down the line. Maybe not persona, but another original title, like Catherine.
I kind of hope they store those ideas and use them in some kind of concept down the line. Maybe not persona, but another original title, like Catherine.
I was watching the Best Friends LP of Catherine and I have to agree with them that Atlus should really use the Golden Theater thing in Catherine as a framing device for other games. The backpacking one would work well, I'm sure.
Going to take some massive assumptions based on the interview's translation:
It sounds like the original concept revolved around changing yourself by changing your surroundings: seeing different perspectives than the Japanese one and becoming better as a result. Once the earthquake happened, he didn't want to dismiss the pride of being Japanese, so instead the idea manifested into someone who internalizes that desire to reject status quo, essentially changing the hearts and minds of Japan from within. Rather than someone who saves himself from Japan, the hero is someone who saves Japan from itself.
It sounds like the original concept revolved around changing yourself by changing your surroundings: seeing different perspectives than the Japanese one and becoming better as a result. Once the earthquake happened, he didn't want to dismiss the pride of being Japanese, so instead the idea manifested into someone who internalizes that desire to reject status quo, essentially changing the hearts and minds of Japan from within. Rather than someone who saves himself from Japan, the hero is someone who saves Japan from itself.
That original concept sounds hot.
If it were any other series than Persona, i'd be absolutely livid that they choose the latter direction over the former, but it's Persona (a series that's kind of all about embracing Japanese themes). The new direction is also incredibly solid so we're good on that front too.
In any case, it's nice to see the team even contemplate the idea of embracing other cultures. Maybe that could explain why they go oversees during their trip (and perhaps even during certain dungeons).
If it were any other series than Persona, i'd be absolutely livid that they choose the latter direction over the former, but it's Persona (a series that's kind of all about embracing Japanese themes). The new direction is also incredibly solid so we're good on that front too.
In any case, it's nice to see the team even contemplate the idea of embracing other cultures. Maybe that could explain why they go oversees during their trip (and perhaps even during certain dungeons).
Morning Star
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I wonder how they would have handled that concept (backpacking) with regards to things like your party, SLinks, the threat the protagonist faces, and the protagonist themselves. Would you have a small and intimate persistent party that you travels with you from beginning to end, one where you pick up members in each location, or some combination thereof?
Lots of things about the current formula would have to be reevaluated, at least imo. I'd love to hear more about it eventually, if there is more, but I doubt it.
It's insane to think some of us were clinging to the belief that it was launching in 2015 when all we were getting was a whole lot of nothing.
Lots of things about the current formula would have to be reevaluated, at least imo. I'd love to hear more about it eventually, if there is more, but I doubt it.
It's insane to think some of us were clinging to the belief that it was launching in 2015 when all we were getting was a whole lot of nothing.
Guilty as charged here. I thought they'd try comin' in hot. Should have known better: Atlus always floods with info before a launch.
cj_iwakura
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I decided to give up on importing when I realized that, unlike Catherine, the language barrier was going to be really steep. And unlike Soul Hackers(I imported the Saturn one a while back), I don't have a guide to fall back on.
I remember when I was like
"There's absolutely no way they're launching the game with barely any advertising, that's absolutely idiotic."
But STILL believed in 2015. So jokes on me :')
For me, it was hard to tell: I wasn't really around for 3 and 4's launches, so I personally thought the trailers they had shown were enough information... save for maybe a trailer or two talking about dungeons or something closer to launch later that year. I don't think it's entirely out of the question.
If you ask me, they've probably shown too much at this point.
If you ask me, they've probably shown too much at this point.
I wasn't around the launches of P3/P4, but from what I've heard/experienced, they announced P5 way too early in comparison to their other games. It does feel like they're are overcompensating for the delays by revealing too much lately, but that's probably because I'm feeling impatient and want to play the game already. I have tons of games to tie me up until Feb, but the only games that would obsess me enough to distract me from the wait are FE for the NX and SMTV.
A Dead Diehard
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I still hope they go back to that idea in the future. Maybe even make it P6?
sackboy2197
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Since we're talking about it, I was around only for the launch of Persona 4 Golden, and I'm pretty sure I had seen just one trailer and messed around on the official Japanese website before buying it. When I think back I wonder how I decided to buy it. It probably helped as I was pleasantly surprised by most of what I have seen, but still, it could have ended up poorly
My thoughts exactly.
But atleast im glad that Hashino even considered something different, maybe a college or travelling persona game isn't out of reach.
Maybe once it becomes a more stablished franchise (hopefully with p5) they can start experimenting.
I would personally be already glad if Atlus JP started treating west and nippon the same
A backpacking story is the last thing I would have expected from a Persona game, to be honest. I know that Eternal Punishment ditched the school setting, but even then it would be strange to have the characters go on a journey around the world, especially when they explicitly mentioned after P4 that they don't really know how to authentically replicate another country. The settings in Persona always feel rather authentic to me, so I think it would be weird if every country in the game was like Catherine's rather Japanese-centric interpretation of the US.
How were you expecting backpacking?
That is way too specific.
Unless you meant a persona game outside of japan.
Catherine's location was ambiguous. Pretty sure I remember Hashino saying it was a deliberate choice to make the game appeal to people outside of Japan, too.
Then there's the fact that 'Teens traveling the world' is a much more grounded basis than the whole phantom thief thing.
In both of those respects, it's much more in line with what I would have expected. The current Persona 5 is probably the least grounded game that Hashino has made, and is also mega, mega Japanese-centric.
That's also not at all what I said, haha.
"Much more inline with my expectations" doesn't mean "100% the same as what I predicted."
If you don't mind me asking, what was this trajectory that you saw Persona going in?
EDIT: Literally answered my question above.
I guess my two cents is that I'm genuinely excited to know that the game was (somewhat) influenced by the Tohoku Earthquake. Being influenced by current events of that scale can add a ton of authenticity towards how the game portrays its themes. See also; Nier being influenced by 9/11.
Fun fact: FFXIII-2's scenario was influenced by the Tohouku Earthquake as well.
I've said it a few times before, but I really think that Hashino's team has the potential to make a game that appeals to more than just anime and JRPG fans, but I don't think P5 is it. Things like the fan service, Morgana (like, everything about her) and the thief outfits are going to alienate people outside of the niche.
The trajectory as I saw it was games that were getting increasingly stylish, polished and grounded, whilst maintaining all of their weird character that the fans liked in them. P5 has moved away from all of that in big way (well, maybe not the polish).
The trajectory as I saw it was games that were getting increasingly stylish, polished and grounded, whilst maintaining all of their weird character that the fans liked in them. P5 has moved away from all of that in big way (well, maybe not the polish).
CrimsonFist
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I get the impression that a lot of Japanese media was.
It's best to remind myself that no approach is flawless and bad writing grows out of any approach.
I remember when P5 was announced I was kind of thinking we might get something along the lines of the P4/P3 in tone and world. I was expecting Japanese high school with supernatural elements. Obviously had no idea what direction it was going to go in other than that. When they showed PV1 I was completely shocked at the Phantom Thieves element they were going for. It was different enough to distance itself from P3/4 for something a little more fantastical which got me incredibly excited.
If they went the other direction with a backpacking/world adventure I would have been equally surprised for completely different reasons. I probably would have still loved whatever they showed, even if it was a bit more grounded. Though I'm sure we would have still gotten a mascot character and shitty fanservice regardless of what the game was about. Still would love to see what they could do with the concept.
If they went the other direction with a backpacking/world adventure I would have been equally surprised for completely different reasons. I probably would have still loved whatever they showed, even if it was a bit more grounded. Though I'm sure we would have still gotten a mascot character and shitty fanservice regardless of what the game was about. Still would love to see what they could do with the concept.
I fully agree with that, but the backpacking trip sounds like another can of worms with the potential to not only alienate, but also offend people. Let's take Germany as an example: Most of the time when Germany appears in Japanese media, it's either a somewhat medieval town with a couple of people dressed in dirndls and lederhosen eating sauerkraut and drinking beer or it's another nazi story. These are all aspects of Germany, but that's not all there is to this country. I just don't have any confidence in their current staff that they could make the overseas setting work without resorting to stereotypes as their staff apparently has next to no experience with other cultures.
snow in jamaica
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I don't think it means anything more than "it's not as bright as P4".
Cannon_Fodder
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I'm not sure how you can say that the backpacking idea would have been any different when all we have is a one sentence description. If you describe the current P5 as "Thieves who are trying to right wrongs in society," then that would be accurate, while simultaneously not mentioning all the problems you have with the game. The backpacking idea could very easy have been just as "alienating."
It sounds like the Phantom Thief theme was thought up after they decided to change the direction they wanted to go. In that case, I am very glad they decided to change it up.
But it also sounds like they didn't get very far with the backpacking thing. They could have still ended up working with Phantom Thiefs, since it would work so well with traveling the world.
It would be cool to see them revisit the idea, but this news doesn't change the fact that I am very happy with everything I see about Persona 5.
But it also sounds like they didn't get very far with the backpacking thing. They could have still ended up working with Phantom Thiefs, since it would work so well with traveling the world.
It would be cool to see them revisit the idea, but this news doesn't change the fact that I am very happy with everything I see about Persona 5.
snow in jamaica
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Changing their identities on the run?
Chrono Helix
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I think this is my first time seeing Igor's legs.
If you take Lupin as an inspiration (which it's only one), a big focus of the series is the international aspect of exploring the world whether it's monuments, treasures, etc.
If you take Lupin as an inspiration (which it's only one), a big focus of the series is the international aspect of exploring the world whether it's monuments, treasures, etc.
that's uncomfortable