We're all treated the way we are based on our actions, but I'm open to a truce if you are. I'm here to make friends, not enemies.
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Persona Community Thread: The Butterfly Effect
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We're all treated the way we are based on our actions, but I'm open to a truce if you are. I'm here to make friends, not enemies.
You're massively misinterpreting the imagery. You're looking at it literally, which isn't how Soejima's art works. You're saying "Well, this is conveyed as a gender change operation so it's obviously about gender confusion", right? But this is wrong. Kanji isn't an incredibly effeminate homosexual and Rise isn't a stripper.
The operation is to cut out the parts of her that she doesn't want, because maybe if she did that, if she was born as a man, then she'd be taken seriously as herself, and her shadow's true form as a robot symbolises the childish idea that she can hide behind a stoic, robotic facade in order to be taken seriously. Her other form is a child in a labcoat because she's a child playing make-believe that she's an adult. She's afraid of admitting that she's a woman because she doesn't want to be looked down upon by the sexist way that the police department is run. It has nothing to do with gender confusion. It has to do with sexism in the workplace.
Don't, it's fine. I should've said to start. Levito even tweeted me saying someone was probably thinking the exact same thing.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
(cools off)
Yeah i'm done too.
No point in having discussion with someone who treats us like naive children, as if we don't know any better.
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ANYWAY
Here, have some happy music to lift your spirits. Your complimentary friend cupcakes shall be delivered the next time I'm in Ottawa.
You've gone too far!
*blinks*
Well I'm glad I was playing Guild Wars 2 when all of that went down. Although I don't think there can be much racism involved when you're talking about an NPC who has less than page of dialogue. All of which is probably an invention of the locaization.
I have considered this.
Like I said, it's not like I love the game any less!
Wut.
Every track on Dangerous is fucking GOLD.
Best post in ages. LOOK TO THE COOKIE, PERSONAGAF.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Not sure how I feel about funky student. My friend called me and was was like "look at that this nonsense bro". We weren't seriously offended (we were laughing our ass off). Mark from P1 though..... that guy can fuck off.
Remember, he's not even meant to be black; The game takes place in Japan.
He's just a silly student with a silly afro. Nothing more.
It can be interpreted in a wide variety of ways as I already said and acknowledged the POV you share. That's not the problem, the things P4 leaves up to your imagination shouldn't be left up to your imagination.
And yes Dantis, I'm aware of what symbolism is. The rest of my post you quoted addressed the larger issues with Naoto's arc/slink.
ShmeebAlina
Member
I'd like to see that. Maybe it was something along the lines of by looking back at their wives they have to face the truth and accept that they're dead in order to move forward?
They probably will, there are already personas from those myths, and Greek and Japanese deities/mythological figures were the themes of the playable characters' personas in P3 and P4 respectively, so I can see them going with something different for P5.
buddha0991
Member
Isn't this Funky in P4A?
Where are you in the game? The game's first two dungeons are some of the toughest.
Yukiko Castle. I mean Im just getting murdered. Ive died at least 10 times in the last 2 hours.
It's a really weird game. The designs are wildly inconsistent, the HUD is a shambles (Though I say the same about Arena, keep in mind) and the story past the first game is gibberish.
I actually played through the entire first game (And about 100 online matches) under the impression that the whole project was a parody, and I was laughing along with it. It was only when I saw what people were saying about it online that I realised it was serious.
I enjoy the gameplay a lot though. It's probably my favourite 2D fighter.
Correct. Like I said, he's just a silly teenager with an afro.
As for Naoto, the game is blatantly clear that her issues is sexism in the workforce. It's stated plain as day when you beat her shadow.
Make sure you're acquiring and fusing Personas. Your own protagonist's level means nothing if you're level 15 and still equipped with a Level 5 Persona, as the stats are determined by the Persona. Don't fear fusion either, go at it and experiement, as there's no real penalty for doing so and the system is designed to let you just toss and go.
just like halo 4
What difficulty are you playing on?
Normal I think.
I'd recommend grinding a little and taking note of enemy weaknesses. As long as you make the dungeon a first priority you'll be fine.
I was quite ecstatic when I saw him.
Also, when they first encounter Funky Student in the Endurance Run is one of my favorite moments.
But that's not the one where they go back in time to save the whales!
That's the only old Star Trek movie I've seen. lol
Yeah pretty much all you need to do, really. Get to maybe level 12-14 and you should be fine.
Also fuse a persona with a resistance to fire if you can.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Yup. First Contact comes pretty close though, and I really friggin liked Into Darkness and don't think it deserves the amount of the hate it gets. The only part that warrants vitrol is the ending, and even that is more disappointing and lazy than painful or deal-breaking.
And my response yet again is:
Already explained the issue, and it's largely Atlus skewing things and spending mixed messages.
That's you looking for something that's not there and taken out of context.
All that image is, is the scene where you determine if it's a lovers route (first choice) or a friendship route (second choice), no more.
That's you looking for something that's not there and taken out of context.
All that image is, is the scene where you determine if it's a lovers route (first choice) or a friendship route (second choice), no more.
It'snot taken out of context, I've already explained the issue with deciding a person's identity for them repeatedly.
But hey if you want blatant transphobia from Atlus:
Yeah, we're on the same page, basically. It's like, I like it and it's great mechanically, but I found myself asking, "Would I actually spend money on one of these?"
I like Halo 4 :'(
But hey if you want blatanty transphobia from Atlus:
Was altered in P3P because they realized how offensive it was. Seriously dude... :\
buddha0991
Member
It'snot taken out of context, I've already explained the issue with deciding a person's identity for them repeatedly.
But hey if you want blatanty transphobia from Atlus:
How do you feel about Catherine's Erica?
Which proves that Atlus is in fact, not exactly overtly sensitive with these sort of things.
Neither side is going to budge on this, so again, why don't we just move on?
First Contact was pretty awful, it's got some solid acting from Patrick Stewart and some good special effects, but the plot is horrible.
Into Darkness was really enjoyable, but it's a big dumb summer movie that rely's on nostalgia and not much else.
Which proves that Atlus is in fact, not exactly overtly sensitive with these sort of things.
I imagine they don't care too much about the opinions of someone on the internet overreacting to a minor NPC that's not even nearly as offensive as a lot of modern day television.
I haven't fully played Catherine, but I wasn't aware there being too much offensive about Erica?
I was initially annoyed by how Vincent and gang treat her once I learned the truth, but I've mellowed out now. In hindsight Vincent's sometimes cruel jokes just seem like ribbing between friends.
BTW: Why do we always ignore Jun and Tatsuya when discussing LGBT things in Persona? lol, poor things never get brought up.
It'snot taken out of context, I've already explained the issue with deciding a person's identity for them repeatedly.
But hey if you want blatant transphobia from Atlus:
If this bothers you then sitcoms like Scrubs and Arrested Development must really get under your skin.
Haha, I bought all three of them! I haven't played the stories past the first game though, I just play with my brothers.
And I liked Halo 4's single player, but didn't like the multiplayer. My one criticism of the game as a whole is that it was really fucking safe.
Sure thing man
I'm sorry I got defensive. When I think that someone is looking down on me, I get super insecure and start to freak out. You're absolutely right though, PersonaGAF is the best freaking community ever and we shouldn't fight amongst each other.
ShmeebAlina
Member
I'd recommend buying some Goho-Ms so you can warp out of the dungeon and save more often, if you're not already doing so. Other than that it's just fuse and battle.
Also is 'Direct Commands' the default option for party members in Golden? I thought it was weird it wasn't in original P4. Made battles easier once I realised you could do that.
I imagine they don't care too much about the opinions of someone on the internet overreacting to a minor NPC that's not even nearly as offensive as a lot of modern day television.
I do hope this isn't referring to me.
Sure thing man
I'm sorry I got defensive. When I think that someone is looking down on me, I get super insecure and start to freak out. You're absolutely right though, PersonaGAF is the best freaking community ever and we shouldn't fight amongst each other.
S'alright, brother. I couldn't agree more and I apologize as well.
All the drama!
All the discourse!
PersonaGAF!
Hey, how many posts until we're pushed to [OT2]?
I do hope this isn't referring to me.
It's not. I mean it in a general sense.
If this bothers you then sitcoms like Scrubs and Arrested Development must really get under your skin.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too when you mentioned it. It's not in the greatest of tastes, but it's hardly outright offensive. The NPC might even be a transvestite rather than a transsexual.
Sure thing man
I'm sorry I got defensive. When I think that someone is looking down on me, I get super insecure and start to freak out. You're absolutely right though, PersonaGAF is the best freaking community ever and we shouldn't fight amongst each other.
THIS HAS PULLED US APART.
BUT PERSONA 5 WILL BRING US TOGETHER.
Erica was second best girl. She was my favorite person to talk to in the game.
Persona 5 will be like a nuclear explosion in here. There will be no survivors.
Okay!
Ehhhh, I expect to divide us even more after it's all said and done.
"Too anime."
Hopefully that's just me and my own pessimism!
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