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[franconp]

When I first read your explanation, I wondered if you had been targeted for death and the rancid gravy saved you at the cost of being able to vote. The idea that someone was targeting you to see if you were scum would line up with StarSketch's power, but she says she didn't use hers.

That's what I thought At first but the second PM

 

[Natiko]

Didn't she say she was waiting for the perfect opportunity to use it? The longer the game goes on, the less of a chance she has to make use out of it, but if she actually finds someone worth using it could seriously change the course of the game.

High risk, high reward.

In any case, I still don't think should have laughed at her role if she were scum on day 1.

I would buy that argument if she only had one use. But as of last night, assuming she would live to see at least three more nights seems like bad judgement in the best case and outright deceitful in the worst.

 

[franconp]

That's what I thought At first but the second PM

Sorry, but I posted midsentence.

The second PM stated that I regained 2HP so I'm not really sure.

As far as I know I could have been targeted by a neutral who has to sell things as a winning condition.

I also don't know what would have happened if I didn't bought the thing. Maybe Ty or Sorian were targeted in the same way first day but failed to notice the PM.

 

[Verelios]

Just want to chim in and say that I absolutely refuse to vote for Sketch or even franconp for that matter.

I was 100% right about Sketch being a power role (HEHE) and franconp is such an obvious town.

I think voting for either for them is an incredibly bad move, and before anyone goes "HMMM, SUSPICIOUS!" I assure that I don't have any ulterior motives besides winning the game.

Wow.

1. You don't know that for sure.
2. Then who seems suspicious to you?
3. That's a mighty strong refusal

 

[Verelios]

Wow, actually having a life. Fuck me, right?

Alright, fair enough. Apologize if I stepped on your toes.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Well, except 1 or 2 players all of us were after Style as soon as he voted Vanguard to please Sorian, so there isn't much town credit to gain from it.

I don't know specifics as Sophia don't want to share the info with me (I asked) but I think I was targeted in some way because I got the PM on monday (28/11), way into the night phase. That makes me think that it's not a regular mechanic of the game but an action from a player. The PM was also weird, it said that someone was targeting me suspecting I was scum so I could buy the think to gain a leverage.
And when I was informed that I couldn't vote (I received that PM an hour before day start) the PM said that I regained 2HP, but don't know what it means. It could be just flavour.

Wait, didn't you originally say the PM said you were targeted as a potential scum and that you could prevent being framed by getting magic gravy?

During the last night phase (yestarday exactly) I got a PM from the mods which said that I have been targeted as a potential scum, so I was given an option against being framed by the shadows (that were the words used on the PM, don't know if it's flavour or not). I was offered to buy an item: RANCID GRAVY (it even had the home shopping channel music).

The way it's described there sounds like scum trying to paint you as scum.

But in your latest post I quoted above you say:

The PM was also weird, it said that someone was targeting me suspecting I was scum so I could buy the think to gain a leverage

Someone targeting you "suspecting" you're scum sounds like a townie power, since scum wouldn't suspect you're scum. They'd already know it.

Am I misreading that or reading too far into it or what?

 

[Natiko]

Wait, didn't you originally say the PM said you were targeted as a potential scum and that you could prevent being framed by getting magic gravy?



The way it's described there sounds like scum trying to paint you as scum.

But in your latest post I quoted above you say:



Someone targeting you "suspecting" you're scum sounds like a townie power, since scum wouldn't suspect you're scum. They'd already know it.

Am I misreading that or reading too far into it or what?

I think we need clarification from franconp in this case. The context changes depending on if the pm is accusing him of being scum directly or stating that a third party thinks he's scum.

 

[franconp]

The PM says that I have been targeted as a potential scum, the says that he know I'm town and would make me an offer to help me in the future. And then it says it's something agains scum trying to frame me. I'm trying to be the more accurate without breaking any rule.

 

[Natiko]

You know what I find suspicious? II-Vanguard-II who has been named as suspect at various points by multiple of us has not bothered to post a single time since day start. Nearly 24 hours and not a word. On a day when people got pulled into suspecting a different player. Perhaps because he's hoping to just coast in the background while someone else takes all the heat.

VOTE: II-Vanguard-II

 

[franconp]

I think it's more being framed in the discussion, not by an action. It looks flavoury, but I had problem before with it (see my first post).

 

[PK Gaming]

Wow.

1. You don't know that for sure.
2. Then who seems suspicious to you?
3. That's a mighty strong refusal

1. I'm 99.9% sure. Her pre game comments, coupled with her getting the priestess arcana (she really likes Yukiko) and her role call should more or less clear her as a scum. It's a waste of time to suspect her. Unless you'd be willing to make an avatar bet on it? If i'm wrong, i'll use an avatar of your choice for a month, and vice versa if i'm right. You in?!
2. Vanguard is the most suspicious player atm. His posts have lost that succinct accuracy he had before, and he's clearly cracking. His activity has dropped as well.
3. That's just how I roll.

 

[StarSketch]

I wanna point out that vanguard was one of the people voting on Exmachina D1, along with our confirmed scum.

Then again so was I so....

 

[flatearthpandas]

You're only 100% sure after the flips.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Town:
Machina

Lean town:
Sketch
Fran
Matt
Verelios
Black Buzzard

Null:
11307
Natico
Zipped
Hyper
Pk
Dragonz
Vanguard

Scum:
Plop



Obviously fran is under some command of silence. I can't say I believe it comes from an item though. This is a power I could see being used n1.

Anywho:

I'm not allowed to copy and paste, so give me a moment to write it in my own words:

- Thinks the scums have a Framer because of a slip up Exodus made.
- Agreed with me on SS' inactivity not having anything to do with her role
- Thought it was weird Exodus scum read 11037 then flipped mid game because there hadn't been any reason to
- Exmachina is cleared because he was after Exodus early and Sorian said they didn't want to set up a scum v scum lynch on D1
- Town reads Franco because of Exodus' read on him
- Thinks Ty4on was scum because Exodus was on Rynam's case, but flipped after the replacement, meaning Exo was trying to get rid of an inactive scum
- Still iffy on Vanguard
- Thought Verelios and Flux behaviour near the deadline was odd, but too obvious to be scum read

Wifom everywhere but we have scum bs here. Here is the first mention of a framer. Hyper engages but lets it drop. Style never explains what the slip up might have been.

Still weirds me out the scum team bothered to put this together at all with Style being a lost cause.

 

[CrimsonFist]

"My List"

The Hated

People who are all talk. Lying grown-ups!
Keeping up appearances. Hypocrites!
Myself! <- I hate myself!! Dumbass!!

The Liked

Animals. Only cute ones, though. Like cats.
Milk tea. I like lemon, too, though.
Black. Blue. Grey, too... Only dark grey.

And...Me.

starsketch (1)
exmachina64 1357

plop (1)
flatearthpandas 1416

franconp (0)
franconp 1437 (1441)

ii-vanguard-ii (1)
natiko 1509

Day Ends

Majority is at 8 votes.

 

[franconp]

To add to FEP post, also this:

I could choose between me or Sorian. Ty4on wasn't even on an option. I choose myself. Sums up that part of the story. The other part:

I was the guest in Sorian's gossip chat by the way. He gave me a load of reads/thoughts he said he wanted me to pass on to you if he fell first. He also made a deal with me, I give him the target list, before I choose, to even prove I have the power and he'd have my back the next day. I didn't even have the heart to tell him I was going to chose myself.

He lied, the question is why?

 

[franconp]

Okay, he didn't lie, because he never had that goddam power so there was no option whatsoever. The question is why he clarify that Ty wasn't an option?

 

[PK Gaming]

"My List"

The Hated

People who are all talk. Lying grown-ups!
Keeping up appearances. Hypocrites!
Myself! <- I hate myself!! Dumbass!!

The Liked

Animals. Only cute ones, though. Like cats.
Milk tea. I like lemon, too, though.
Black. Blue. Grey, too... Only dark grey.

And...Me.

starsketch (1)
exmachina64 1357

plop (1)
flatearthpandas 1416

franconp (0)
franconp 1437 (1441)

ii-vanguard-ii (1)
natiko 1509

Day Ends

Majority is at 8 votes.

If scum doesn't kill me these poems will

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Okay, he didn't lie, because he never had that goddam power so there was no option whatsoever. The question is why he clarify that Ty wasn't an option?

My guess is that someone on the scum team has a kill PR and used it that night, separate from the rest that voted to kill Sorian.

Denying his/scum's role in Ty4on's death is possibly an attempt to make it look like Ty4on got himself killed using his PR.

That it Ty4on got himself killed using his PR.

Or I have no clue what I'm talking about.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Should read:

"That OR Ty4on got himself killed..."

 

[exmachina64]

Am I misunderstanding Style's role? He had the option of secretly killing people (twice) separately from the rest of the Shadows, right?

 

[flatearthpandas]

Not separately. He could perform the normal night kill twice without being tracked. Aka if Star was tracking him and he was doing good stealth kill, she would have got no result.

 

[flatearthpandas]

The stealth kill, meant to say.

On this note, style's power does suggest a town tracker or watcher. May seem convenient that Star didn't claim tracker until after we saw style's flip. But on the other hand, it's a risky fake claim because the real tracker would know it was a lie.

 

[franconp]

Am I misunderstanding Style's role? He had the option of secretly killing people (twice) separately from the rest of the Shadows, right?

No. I asked the same and Crimson answered it.

 

[exmachina64]

No. I asked the same and Crimson answered it.

So the Shadows would have to not kill in order for Style to stealth kill?

 

[franconp]

The stealth kill, meant to say.

On this note, style's power does suggest a town tracker or watcher. May seem convenient that Star didn't claim tracker until after we saw style's flip. But on the other hand, it's a risky fake claim because the real tracker would know it was a lie.

Also, I said before, but a tracker is a really difficult role to lie about. You could be called out really easily if you mess up (saying that someone did an action when they are ordinary town or someone didn't when they did). Also, if star was scum, the two-shot would protect their partners much as we could lynch her to prove her claims after she used both shots.

All that been said, a tracker who refuses to use his role can be faked quite easily. It's not much different than ordinary town.

 

[franconp]

So the Shadows would have to not kill in order for Style to stealth kill?

Yes, it works as a modifier. Style does the kill. Ouro had a similar role in AC and we just let him do the killings.

 

[Natiko]

I feel like it's only a quarter of us participating at this point. Pretty concerning how many people are content with not saying anything.

 

[franconp]

I feel like it's only a quarter of us participating at this point. Pretty concerning how many people are content with not saying anything.

And also scum have been killing our more prolific posters.

 

[Verelios]

I feel like it's only a quarter of us participating at this point. Pretty concerning how many people are content with not saying anything.

We have two days, hopefully it won't be a hammer situation so everyone can come talk. And I mean everyone mates.

 

[Natiko]

And also scum have been killing our more prolific posters.

That's true. I think it's interesting they went for Flux over Hyper or you. Triggers my suspicion of Hyper A bit. Also makes me wonder how or if your night experience is connected to it all.

We have two days, hopefully it won't be a hammer situation so everyone can come talk. And I mean everyone mates.

With how few votes are out there I don't expect that to be an issue.,

 

[franconp]

Here is the current post count:

franconp 162
Sorian 140
Hyperactivity 121
FluxWaveZ 105
Style 103
exmachina64 98
Natiko 95
plop 88
Verelios 87
flatearthpandas 70
TheExodu5 62
Ty4on 51
PK Gaming 48
StarSketch 44
CrimsonFist 39
11037 32
II-Vanguard-II 30
WhereAreMahDragonz 26
BlackBuzzard 25
Zippedpinhead 24
Sophia 17
Matt Attack 13
YesNOnoNOYes 12
Ourobolus 8
Rats Off To Ya 7
Rynam 5
RetroMG 3
Kerned 3
cabot 2
Fat4all 2
El Topo 2
Sawneeks 2
Burbeting 1
OceanicAir 1
roytheone 1
Crab 1
Ynnek7 1

Ty or Exodus were killed during the first day but both of them still have more post than 8 people who are in the game (I'm not adding Sorian because I don't expect someone to post as much as him).

I think the worst offender is Matt Attack: he has least post than Sophia, who is a mod and only post when needed and only one post over YNNY, who isn't player and only post vote counts.

 

[exmachina64]

I feel like it's only a quarter of us participating at this point. Pretty concerning how many people are content with not saying anything.

I think the worst offender is Matt Attack: he has least post than Sophia, who is a mod and only post when needed and only one post over YNNY, who isn't player and only post vote counts.

These things really worry me.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

I think 2 things could have happened when Ty4on used his power.

He investigated Style because he truly believed Style had a role.
He investigated somebody that he thought was town but turned out to be scum.
What i don't think happened is that scum had 2 kills that seems pretty OP to me.

Now we have Style how much of what he told us about his chat with Sorian is true did he even have a chat with Sorian? Im looking through the Sorian posts and i see nothing of these hints that Style mentioned or maybe i just overlooked them.

 

[flatearthpandas]

I think 2 things could have happened when Ty4on used his power.

He investigated Style because he truly believed Style had a role.
He investigated somebody that he thought was town but turned out to be scum.
What i don't think happened is that scum had 2 kills that seems pretty OP to me.

Now we have Style how much of what he told us about his chat with Sorian is true did he even have a chat with Sorian? Im looking through the Sorian posts and i see nothing of these hints that Style mentioned or maybe i just overlooked them.

I think it's likely Ty did die from his power. I think Style likely killed Sorianq, specifically to quiet town down. Quiet town is good for scum. We get data like yesterday where the lynch rolls through with little information gained. Maybe Sorian gossiped with Style. If he gossiped anyone, it was definitely a scum. I'll read through his stuff for hints but I don't expect to find any. I looked through Ty yesterday and it he hinted his investigation I didn't see it. I'll look through again.

This game feels to me like PW 2.0. Star bungled her claim then, actually bungled it, and got lynched. She was town. We had tons of turbos and hammers, mostly town. And we had a bad case of why is this person still alive. I have that now as well, but I'll leave that for later.

Everyone, I'd like thoughts on Natico and Plop. I absolutely believe one of them is scum. I've made it clear I think it's plop and I'll break down a bit later. But lets get thoughts.

 

[Verelios]

I'm guessing that regardless, Style or Scum just made up whatever was convenient for them at the moment. I wouldn't put much stock in whatever Style said.

 

[Verelios]

I've previously stated having very good feelings about Natico but something about his play last day phase when Style was getting kicked felt off...a passive resistance almost where it's like putting out feelers to see if anyone is receptive but withdrawing when they weren't. Did not like that.

 

[Natiko]

I've previously stated having very good feelings about Natico but something about his play last day phase when Style was getting kicked felt off...a passive resistance almost where it's like putting out feelers to see if anyone is receptive but withdrawing when they weren't. Did not like that.

I really was just trying to avoid contributing to an early day end. I never once floundered on my opinion to lynch Style if you look back. I even made a point to mention it every time I gave my thoughts on a different player specifically to avoid being accused of this. I can see why you would jump to that conclusion based on me not casting an actual vote though.

 

[11037]

With Natiko and Plop I think they're both town. Natiko has been helpful throughout the game. Posts a lot and shares his thoughts. His posts have been detailed and I feel he is town. Also, there was that slip up at the start..

Plop really wanted to lynch Style. Like, really badly. I understand that the Style lynch was pretty much guaranteed and that scum more than likely voted for him but it's just the way Plop posted. It seemed, really genuine? That is probably the dumbest shit you've ever read but I don't really know how to describe it.

So I dunno, I think that both are town. Maybe if I have a detailed read through all of their posts I'll find something but I doubt it. Why do you think one of them is scum, FEP?

 

[Verelios]

I really was just trying to avoid contributing to an early day end. I never once floundered on my opinion to lynch Style if you look back. I even made a point to mention it every time I gave my thoughts on a different player specifically to avoid being accused of this. I can see why you would jump to that conclusion based on me not casting an actual vote though.

Fair enough, I just felt there was some uncertainty/hesitation on the day's lynch and that's why I brought it up.

 

[Natiko]

Fair enough, I just felt there was some uncertainty/hesitation on the day's lynch and that's why I brought it up.

Like I said I can understand why the thought would come up. I'm still standing on my vote for Vanguard but I'm interested in hearing what FEP has to say. I don't see plop as scum but there could be tells I didn't pick up on.

 

[II-Vanguard-II]

You know what I find suspicious? II-Vanguard-II who has been named as suspect at various points by multiple of us has not bothered to post a single time since day start. Nearly 24 hours and not a word. On a day when people got pulled into suspecting a different player. Perhaps because he's hoping to just coast in the background while someone else takes all the heat.

VOTE: II-Vanguard-II

You know what i find suspicious? going after someone that had a major hand in lynching scums power role. do you have anything against me other than the fact i pushed your teammate to the death. if i hadn't caved d1 and pushed hard against style ty would've been alive right now.oh and just so you know you can't lynch me no matter how hard you try, that i can guarantee.

 

[exmachina64]

You know what i find suspicious? going after someone that had a major hand in lynching scums power role. do you have anything against me other than the fact i pushed your teammate to the death. if i hadn't caved d1 and pushed hard against style ty would've been alive right now.oh and just so you know you can't lynch me no matter how hard you try, that i can guarantee.

Can you point to some specific posts where you felt Natiko showed his hand?

 

[II-Vanguard-II]

!
2. Vanguard is the most suspicious player atm. His posts have lost that succinct accuracy he had before, and he's clearly cracking. His activity has dropped as well.

I'm sorry but my inactivity doesn't have anything to do with the game (it's mostly XV)
i haven't been posting much because i didn't have much to add. why do you think i'm the most suspicious player right now, i hit the jackpot with RNG d1 the only reason i went for exmachina was because i didn't have good reads on anyone else, not to mention what kind of dumbass puts a target on his PR teammate's back.

 

[II-Vanguard-II]

Can you point to some specific posts where you felt Natiko showed his hand?

i'm digging right now should be ready soon.

 

[II-Vanguard-II]

Reads List:
Style – Town. A flailing, screaming as he dies town. Likely to be lynched but I won’t put a vote on him at this point. I would be surprised if he lives very long, and if he does then this would likely flip very hard to scum. Claiming that role could be a bold play as scum to buy him time but I’m more inclined to believe it was a dumb play as town (no offense).

TLDR:

Town – Style

I didn't make much of day 1 reads are usually not very reliable but with the information that we now have about style this feels like he was trying to deflect suspicion from style.

Damn, went from a good day end to an awful night result. Style is flailing and doomed to die. Let's not let his antics distract us too much. We need to use most if not all of this day phase discussing more players. I still think we're in a good place

This is where style outed himself and there was no going back so natiko is trying to buy himself good will toward town cause he know style is scum and doomed to die. still he's not committing to his lynch hoping for some way in the next 4 days to get him out of this mess.

So let’s take a look at what could have gotten Ty4on killed. He likely would have investigated someone he didn't suspect of being scum due to the risk of being killed. That's something you would only expect him to do after a role reveal when he would know his death is imminent regardless. This leaves us with the following two lists (edited slightly to remove the dead):

FIRST

Leaning Town
Matt Attack
Nakito
Style
exmachina64
Verelios

Null
11037
BlackBuzzard
Vanguard
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead

SECOND

Somewhat town
Nakito
exmachina64
Verelios

Less town
Matt Attack
Style
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead
FluxWaveZ

Null
11037
BlackBuzzard
Vanguard
Hyperactivity

As we can see from the lists, two people were upgraded from null to less town – WhereAreMahDragonz and Zippedpinhead. I could be overthinking it but to me this would make them more likely to be investigated by him. His opinion of them was on the rise, but he wasn’t completely certain. Something to keep in mind.

One of Ty4on's last posts was directed towards Sorian asking who he thought a town flip would be useful on and he named Vanguard and franconp here.

Now after this post we learned that Exodu5 was scum (one of the people Sorian was tying to Vanguard). Would Ty4on have investigated Vanguard after this connection was pointed out to him? I'm inclined to say no. This does not clear Vanguard, but I don't think he is to blame for Ty4on's death. He had also already listed franconp as a strong town read, so I doubt he would go that route.

Here he states that the Exodu5 lynch will give a better idea of Sorian, PK, exmachina and Style. He specifically states this will clear Sorian in his mind so we can exclude him (though we know he is town and dead so safe to say this wasn’t the route he went). We already know he strongly suspected PK Gaming. This leaves exmachina and Style. He most likely would have stayed away from Style due to all the fuckery at the day end. With the fight between exmachina64 and exodu5 I suspect he would not have wanted to spend it on exmachina64 who was already a step higher in his rankings at this point.

Now I know he didn’t investigate me, so between that and exmachina64 being unlikely I doubt he would pick the only other person in the somewhat town list so that clears Verelios in all likelihood.

I frankly believe he would have likely investigated someone remaining from the Less Town list which then are a lot of danger in investigating Hyper or BB who have been linked together already. Exodu5 gave a full town read to 11037 as well so I doubt he is scum as that might be too on the nose.

This leaves us with:
Less town
Matt Attack
WhereAreMahDragonz
Zippedpinhead
FluxWaveZ

I believe one of these four is the reason Ty4on is dead. At least one of these is scum (I think only one). Why? Well let’s get to that..

There has been a fair amount of suspicion lobbied at Vanguard, Style, BlackBuzzard, and Hyper as well. Here are thoughts on them from Exodu5:

Where does this all lead us?
My final conclusion is one of these three is scum – Matt Attack, Zippedpinhead, or WhereAreMahDragonz. I don’t think Flux is scum at this point because his wishy washy attitude at the day end would have been a big give away if he was.
I also believe the following are scum:
BlackBuzzard. This one is obvious and a lot of people have suspected him throughout.
Vanguard – Again, another person with a lot of suspicion levied their way. Sorian also suspected him.
HyperActivity – He helped lynch TheExodu5 but at the same time has defended BB and Vanguard. Perhaps as someone with a good amount of experience he directed our best town player to be killed and is now hoping to steer our discussion and serve as the “best town” all while being scum and defending his teammates. Maybe I'm off on this but his repeated defense of people that look increasingly scummy is very suspect.

I don’t think Style is actually scum at this point. I think he’s just an excessively stupid town or even a neutral. Should probably be lynched regardless just to be safe. RIP Sorian.

You'll notice if you reference Exodu5's thoughts above that the list I came up with all got varied reads from him, something I imagine scum would do when giving a fake reads list. You wouldn't want to clump all your teammates in as the same read.

Hopefully this wasn’t too rambly. Just wanted to get my thoughts out there.

TLDR;

Not Sure but Failed Us So Fuck ‘Em
Style

Still bashing style but non-committal and advocating that he's town so if anyone else comes up and screws up push against them and save his teammate if not he'll have good will toward town for pushing against style. win-win

 

[exmachina64]

I didn't make much of day 1 reads are usually not very reliable but with the information that we now have about style this feels like he was trying to deflect suspicion from style.


This is where style outed himself and there was no going back so natiko is trying to buy himself good will toward town cause he know style is scum and doomed to die. still he's not committing to his lynch hoping for some way in the next 4 days to get him out of this mess.


Still bashing style but non-committal and advocating that he's town so if anyone else comes up and screws up push against them and save his teammate if not he'll have good will toward town for pushing against style. win-win

You make a compelling argument; thank you for being more active.

 

[Verelios]

You know what i find suspicious? going after someone that had a major hand in lynching scums power role. do you have anything against me other than the fact i pushed your teammate to the death. if i hadn't caved d1 and pushed hard against style ty would've been alive right now.oh and just so you know you can't lynch me no matter how hard you try, that i can guarantee.

What is this, a soft claim? This is an odd time to do it if so.

 

[franconp]

You know what i find suspicious? going after someone that had a major hand in lynching scums power role. do you have anything against me other than the fact i pushed your teammate to the death. if i hadn't caved d1 and pushed hard against style ty would've been alive right now.

Are you really taking credit for Style lynch? For a simple vote, when you even stated that was RNG? lol. I don't really see where you pushed Style to death. Style practically killed himself thinking he could gain town trust by pleasing Sorian. There's no town credit to gain from there.

oh and just so you know you can't lynch me no matter how hard you try, that i can guarantee.

Wait, What???? You should elaborate more on this. If you just claimed I really want to know what this is. There is no point to being silent now.

 

[Matt Attack]

I think the worst offender is Matt Attack: he has least post than Sophia, who is a mod and only post when needed and only one post over YNNY, who isn't player and only post vote counts.

I know I’ve spoken along these lines before, but I do believe there is more to the story than just post count. I’ve actually taken the liberty of examining the word counts of a number of the players within this game, accurate up to this post. They tell a slightly different story than the post count might suggest. At 4,711 words, my meager 14 (as of this post, and yes, that word count number includes what I've written in this post) posts contain more words than all of the posts (post game start) of each of the following players: Verelios (3,102), PK Gaming (3,007), 11037 (2,765), StarSketch (1,931), BlackBuzzard (1,414), WhereAreMahDragonz (1,374), zippedpinhead (1,366), and II-Vanguard-II (1,286). For the record, I'm not placing too much stock in these numbers, just as I'm not placing much stock in the current post count of the game. Take Verelios, for instance. I have more words said during the game than he does. But you had better believe he's covered a much wider breadth of topics and been a more consistent presence than I have. In other words, word count isn't everything. But on that same note, post count is not everything either. I have fewer posts than any other player, but my word count is relatively high in spite of this fact. And I make it a habit to minimize filler content within my posts. As ever, I aim to ensure that, knowing I will never be able to post as frequently as most players, I can at least ensure that my posts have enough meat to them to give town the means to achieve a solid read on me, or to at least know where I stand on things. I try not to coast. I make the most of the posts that I can make.

If we must use inactivity as a means to hunt scum, we can at least combine post count and word count to paint a more accurate picture of those who are really contributing the least. Zippedpinhead, WhereAreMahDragonz, BlackBuzzard, and Vanguard stand out in this regard, having a relatively small number of posts with low word counts to go alongside them. This is not inherently a scumtell, but it is cause to look deeper at each player if you want to pursue this angle. What do I think of them? If you held a gun to my head and asked me about Buzzard, I would reluctantly say that I think he’s town. A quick look at his posts gives us little to work with, but he was pretty solidly on Style D1, which is imo more important than being on his case on D2. Style wasn’t too unpopular of a D1 choice either though, hence why I only reluctantly town read him. As for Vanguard? I'd say he's more likely scum than not. I've aired my suspicions of him in the past, and the recent discussion around him is fairly suspect. The posts he's just made above mine? Thoroughly unconvincing. I’ll address a few points.

I didn't make much of day 1 reads are usually not very reliable but with the information that we now have about style this feels like he was trying to deflect suspicion from style.

Every D1 reads list will have incorrect reads, and considering the frequently mystifying play of Style on D1, calling him a “flailing, scream as he dies town” is actually not a very difficult logical leap to make. I know from experience, considering the conclusions I reached on D2.

This is where style outed himself and there was no going back so natiko is trying to buy himself good will toward town cause he know style is scum and doomed to die. still he's not committing to his lynch hoping for some way in the next 4 days to get him out of this mess.

The Natiko post you quoted reads more town-like than anything. If Style’s lynch was effectivey a foregone conclusion, it would be beneficial to town to discuss other players so as not to let the day be a complete waste.

Still bashing style but non-committal and advocating that he's town so if anyone else comes up and screws up push against them and save his teammate if not he'll have good will toward town for pushing against style. win-win

Seems pretty committed to me. He thought Style was likely to not be scum, but was a loose end that probably needed to be tied up. Keeping your options open is not a scumtell, and regardless, it is clear that Natiko was mostly accepting of the Style lynch in that post. Vanguard, your entire post feels like you’re grasping at straws. It isn’t a scumtell to be incorrect, but I don’t think your post will convince many people. As it stands the case against you seems to be a bit stronger. It’s not the best case I’ve seen, but with two scum lynches in a row the momentum is in town’s favor. I would not be opposed to testing our luck with you.

On to Zippedpinhead. Gun to my head, I’d say he’d lean scum. His D1 play is kind of weird in retrospect. At the time he didn’t give us much to go on. He defended Style early on, but avoided commenting on him for the rest of the day (as far as I can see). On D2, post 1124 he expresses doubt that Ty4on died due to investigating Style. Of course, we still don’t know if that’s how Ty died. Nor is is strange (imo) to defend Style, because I did it. More weird is that he pivots to a Style vote in post 1338, with only a single (and style-unrelated) post from him in between. He doesn’t say why he votes for Style, only that his lynch is “most likely”. When I imagine a scum player who has resigned themselves to the fact that Style is a goner, I sort of imagine them playing like Zipped has. Finally, WAMD. Town, probably. Was suspicious of Expdu5 and Style, has claimed Ordinary and I think her play sort of reflects that. Not much reason for me to want to suspect her at the moment over other candidates. And speaking of other candidates, I’ve only focused on these four players in this post. When I have more time tomorrow I intend to look at other people. For now, I’ll say that a Zipped or Vanguard lynch would be cool for me, although I've got some ??? about what Vanguard seems to be claiming. Preference is for Zipped.

VOTE: Zippedpinhead