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Peter Molyneux IS BACK - Talks Microsoft, Milo and No Man's Sky
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Death Penalty
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The wife is the connecting factor, but WHAT DOES SHE HAVE TO GAIN?
Crack the code, GAF.
OmegaDL50
Member
Some of the replies in this thread are weird. As if Sean Murray knowing Peter Molyneux has some ulterior motive behind it.
Are some of you aware that Simon Carter who was former Lionhead and former Bullfrog Studios is also a Hello Games employee.
Former Sumo Digital devs which is situated out of Sheffield UK, also has folks that work for Hello Games.
Same for Criterion Games of Burnout fame, who are also from Guildford UK (The same studio that Sean Murray originated from)
I could mention Evolution Studios (UK studio) staff working for Codemasters (another UK Studio) in this case as well.
There is no conspiracy theory here folks. It's not out of the norm for UK devs living in UK wind up actually working for other devs studios located in the UK.
Are some of you aware that Simon Carter who was former Lionhead and former Bullfrog Studios is also a Hello Games employee.
Former Sumo Digital devs which is situated out of Sheffield UK, also has folks that work for Hello Games.
Same for Criterion Games of Burnout fame, who are also from Guildford UK (The same studio that Sean Murray originated from)
I could mention Evolution Studios (UK studio) staff working for Codemasters (another UK Studio) in this case as well.
There is no conspiracy theory here folks. It's not out of the norm for UK devs living in UK wind up actually working for other devs studios located in the UK.
Death Penalty
Member
I'm pretty sure it's mostly a joke based off of a funny coincidence. Like, people don't need it explained to them that devs get new jobs with new studios.
OmegaDL50
Member
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Considering the amount of allusions made between Molyneux and Murray several NMS threads that have cropped up over the many discussions, I wouldn't be surprised someone was actually convinced there was an actual influencing factor and link and not assume it's just nothing more than UK devs leaving studios to work at another UK based studio.
ShooterMcGavin
Member
Fable II was fun though...
Also, it's the responsibility of the customer to see what they are getting themselves into. You don't HAVE to give in to hype culture.
Herbspiceguy
Member
This reads like an April fools joke.
Amazing.
Darkstorne
Member
I don't mean "console gamer thing" in any negative way. I simply mean that PC gamers are likely to know this guy mostly for Theme Park, Dungeon Keeper, Syndicate, Populous, Magic Carpet, Black and White etc, whereas console gamers only really got Fable from Molyneux, so of course they'll be more confused about where all the praise for the guy comes from.
And regarding the PR thing, yep, that's always been my concern for the guy, but I've also always understood exactly what he means when he says he can't stop getting excited, can't keep his mouth shut, and that it's a part of his personality. I'm an artist and creative as well, and like Molyneux get the vast majority of that rush of excitement from brand new ideas. Unlike Molyneux, I learned to keep my trap shut about them, but at least he's finally catching on.
Ultimately, gamers are far too quick to forget the 90% of his career that has been phenomenally awesome for us as players and consumers, and too quick to judge him for the mechanics he talked about in later games that never made the final cut. I think a lot of that is to do with most gamers only knowing him from Fable these days, so I can understand that, but then again I also fall on the side of defending No Man's Sky as a mostly brilliant and progressive game despite the lack of talked-up features that are only now starting to be introduced, so maybe I'm just more forgiving than most. Both Fable and No Man's Sky are great games to me though, when viewed for what they are out of context of what was promised, and it's still down to the creative leadership of Molyneux and Murray that these games happened at all. That deserves some amount of respect.
I agree it's the responsibility of the customer. That hype culture even pops up around his stuff is completely mystifying to me now.
No, he's been lying and underdelivering for 15 years or so now. He deserves his reputation, even if he used to make quality products he no longer does. That will only change when he makes something good again. But it's been a long time.
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Darkstorne
Member
Then you're saying the Fable series weren't even quality products? I guess that's subjective, but it's a pretty tough line to tow. I'd certainly never praise them as great games (perhaps with the exception of 1 for its ambition) but I'd also never call them bad games. It certainly seems to be a trend to over-react to games that aren't solid 85-90+ metacritic scorers though and suggest the developers are just flat out bad at their jobs. Molyneux should share a beer with the guys at Bioware. They can't catch a break since DA2 either.
Ahahaha, classy!
Kinda seems like Pete has been too rich, famous, and revered for too long. I'm betting he doesn't get a lot of people telling him "no". He could probably drive the production of a great game if there was someone over him evaluating his ideas and crushing the ones that are totally unfeasible so as to avoid wasting effort on futile development and provide realistic expectations about the design direction and goals for the final product.
I personally didn't have fun with Fable but the series does have a quality reputation. However he did a TON of lying about scope in Fable 1, which still paints him as someone who overpromises and underdelivers.
But even if you count Fable as a positive, which is fair I suppose, everything he did after has shredded his credibility.
Ah, I probably should've written a more elaborate post
I understand development costs, having run my own (modest) studio for a few years. We never got the chance to develop our own IP, but we were responsible for many of the art from AAA titles. I'm just surprised something as bare-bones as Godus was made with that much time, effort and money.I backed the game back in the day but forgot about it immediately. Never kept up with their developer vlogs, and I always assumed the game was made under a very tight budget with 4-5 people max. Game certainly didn't look like 2 million dollars, so I'm assuming development was poorly managed?
$5,000,000 sounds about right for something like Blow's The Witness, and the gulf between that and something like Godus is...huge. Still trying to wrap my head around what went wrong with that game.
Maybe he is coming back to finish Godus? It still sits on Steam as an early access game. Not sure I would ever support a developer who cannot complete their projects. Saying that, his earlier games were pretty great (Dungeon Keeper 2, Black & White, and Fable). If he could complete some of his recent gaming commitments, it would be nice to see him return to form in a comeback.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Saying he lives next to him makes so much sense.
Peter may under deliver but fable was still great. Enjoyed it more than some of biowares recent efforts
Sometimes I wish gaf banned jerks and such. Stop working off the damn mold and following the hate dick trends so much. You don't know the guy and he has made great games.
Yeah he said some exaggerated ideas but he isn't so bad and he is a person after all.
Peter may under deliver but fable was still great. Enjoyed it more than some of biowares recent efforts
Sometimes I wish gaf banned jerks and such. Stop working off the damn mold and following the hate dick trends so much. You don't know the guy and he has made great games.
Yeah he said some exaggerated ideas but he isn't so bad and he is a person after all.
Yup. It's a very good interview with Peter pretty much admit his mistakes, but people here just shitposts without reading the interview. The quality of discourse has never been lower.
Boy Wander
Member
Molyneux has made mistakes but he's still achieved more in his career than I bet every one of the bitter assholes that berate him. Like a pack of wolves. Really, distasteful, sorry wolves.
TheSpoiler
Member
Are you going to hide behind the ambiguity of your statement, or will you actively try and host a discussion on why you feel that way? I'm guessing it's the former.
Should people not take umbrage with his continuing lies about Milo in this very interview? Or his odd answer about screwing the Godus winner? I agree he seems to be more down to earth in sections of the piece, but he's still off in other spots as well. It's not just one or the other, there are shades of gray.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
You can do it without being mean about it.
What do you think the big P M would have sold? He all but did go on record comparing it to interacting with a child and wanting to give that experience to people.
edit:
You know, I feel really sheepish saying this, but I thought I'd read the article when it came out, but I'd only actually read the first few paragraphs and then filed it away for later reading. I'm really interested in projects like these regardless of the outcome so the article (as LTTP as I am) is pretty great.
Milo never released so who cares? Maybe it caused some people to buy Kinect but I doubt it was a big reason. The Godus winner situation seems complicated and over. Regardless, discussing those issues is not what I was referring to as shitposts.
TheSpoiler
Member
Is there a rule for that or...
As a consumer, if a company continuously does not deliver, what do you expect buyers to do? And the Godus situation wasn't complicated. Even in the interview, it was clear he just didn't give a shit about the kid until he was approached by the media and they "reminded him". Nothing about that was difficult or hard - he just flat out didn't do it.
Please point out where I was mean?
So a lie is ok so long as the product in question never comes out?
I'm not trying to shit post, and don't think I have been. Just saying the guy is a liar thick and through and has been for nearly two decades.
When he releases his next thing we can see how he holds up against his pre-release claims again.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Yes, Molyneux is a guy who is unable to stop chatting shit but at the same time he's a genuine legend and the games industry would be worse off without him.
If achievements were a shield to criticism Trump threads would be very boring.
I mean I could but I don't like discussing empathy with people who have very little of it
I'm not on his side... but what?
Leafhopper
Banned
"Absolutely. He lives two miles away from me."
Oh I see he caught the disease living so close.
Oh I see he caught the disease living so close.
I always regarded PM as sort of a hopeless dreamer, reach-exceeds-his-grasp type guy... right up until the Godus winner revealed that not only did he never receive a cent, but that Peter's studio hadn't even spoken to him in months and wasn't returning calls.
Also making the press sign a whiteboard saying "Its not on rails" before they watch a demo of his very much on rails game was... weird? Fucked up? Like, I don't honestly know how to classify the guy anymore.
Boy Wander
Member
The criticism is fine. It's the tone of it that's not palatable. Guy over promises and under delivers so he deserves a bit of flak but some of the tone of it borders on pure nastiness which I can only assume comes from jealousy or some other dark place.
TheSpoiler
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So you resort to namecalling and taking potshots from afar, making sure to comment when you had no real intention of engaging in the discussion at all.
Doesn't seem like you would have added much, to be honest.
It's pretty funny that he actually has a real connection to Murray. They probably had a celebratory feast for how many people bought their games they completely lied about because it's what they dreamt of having even though they damn well knew it wasn't there or getting there.( I still kinda like No Man's Sky a little bit )
itsbenoclock
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We all know Milo was a faked demo, I thought those that worked on it even admitted to the fact? And yet here he is doubling down on selling the concept...I was interested in what he was doing when opening this thread but as soon as I read that it felt like Peter got worse somehow
Azure Dream
Member
Yeah, I don't get this:
Because he literally said the exact opposite happens, due to the issues involved. Even down to Milo not actually showing what was on the paper (because you probably drew something crude). He was very up-front about Milo being smoke-and-mirrors, which I appreciated at the time. But now he's back to "it was magical and it all really worked"?
please, tell me this is not about that flop fabke game that was pretty much on rails
I always regarded PM as sort of a hopeless dreamer, reach-exceeds-his-grasp type guy... right up until the Godus winner revealed that not only did he never receive a cent, but that Peter's studio hadn't even spoken to him in months and wasn't returning calls.
Also making the press sign a whiteboard saying "Its not on rails" before they watch a demo of his very much on rails game was... weird? Fucked up? Like, I don't honestly know how to classify the guy anymore.
Ugh.
Prisoner KSC2-303
Member
I still kinda like him, he's mad but he seems to believe the things he says and he remains passionate about games.
I always remember reading an article about his regular board games night with Ian Livingstone and a few others. They even bothered to print a regular newsletter with the latest standings and suchlike.
I always remember reading an article about his regular board games night with Ian Livingstone and a few others. They even bothered to print a regular newsletter with the latest standings and suchlike.
Solid Raiden
Neo Member
I can't understand people still giving this man the benefit of a doubt because he 'seems sincere in parts of the interview' despite the fact that this has been a part of his act for years now. He apologized for fable 1, and promised the features which were missing from that game after he had talked them up and which he promised had been in development were going to make it into fable 2. Only they didn't. And so he apologized for fable 2 and promised these features would be in fable 3. Only they weren't. And so he continued the cycle and continued to tell lies, and lie about features that would never make it into the game all the way up until release, as if a month from release he didn't know these features would not be in the game. He then turned to kickstarter where he scammed people out of their money with more lies and still has yet to finish the game despite going on to complete other work. How can anyone defend this? The man lies, feigns remorse while never taking all of the blame and all the while continuing to lie to people in the same damn interview. The man deserves no sympathy regardless of if he's made playable products. Those products were sold on lies and false marketing all the way up until release for over ten years now and the only reason he disappeared for the last two years is so that you people would forget these things. It seems some of you have. We also have Trump as president....So, yeah...
newtypepilot
Member
literally snake oil salesman
kind of like the people who are taking potshots but at the other side? I don't see you going after them for not having a discussion.