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[Gestault]

I could not believe this is how that post was taken:


Since when does "downfall" OR "detriment" mean genocide? Downfall alone doesn't even imply genocide; it would mean a loss of prominence in society how I phrased it. Not its destruction. I even added detriment just to be sure and you took it as genocide. You are only taking that how you wanted to take it. You know I meant he would need to have ill feelings toward another race. There is no way you are that disingenuous as a person to think I meant that.

I'm just glad you were able to seize on someone assuming that when you say "the downfall of a race," it could be interpreted as genocide. I mean really, you were almost forced to address the criticism of your point head on. Thankfully, you were able to dodge that point by very bravely focusing on a quirk of phrasing. It's incredibly relieving to know you still stand by the idea that shouting "fucking [n-word]" at someone isn't really racist.

 

[ckaneo]

I have mixed feelings about this. 50 years ago in the U.S., the word “racist” was used to describe a particular type of person who thought another race was inferior, and therefore subjugation and unequal treatment were justified. I think our progressive culture necessarily expanded the scope of the word in part because during the 1960s and 1970s racism and racists went underground in many parts of the country; it became covert.

I don’t know much about Pewdiepie and his beliefs, but does he actually think black people are inferior? Is what he said necessarily racist, or could it just be bad culture? In no way am I attempting to excuse what he said, instead I am interested in how some of you see this issue. Bad culture and racism are certainly not mutually exclusive; the latter often follows from the former, but bad culture doesn’t always indicate racism.

Can you still be a racist if you do not buy into the superiority complex? Does racism even make sense without race supremacy? I think a lot of liberals (and I consider myself liberal) would probably say that the superiority complex is not a requirement to racism, that actions and words are racist based on their effects and outcomes. Maybe, but I don’t think I can get entirely behind that. The racists of the 1950s and before are still around, and they are likely lost causes; we should call them out and do everything we can to exact societal penalties for their racist beliefs and actions. But I think a lot of other people simply grew up in insulated communities with bad culture. I think these people can be reached through conversation and education (confirmed by my anecdotal experience), and I think a lot of other liberals feel that way also. If you try to start the conversation with “you’re racist” then any real chance to persuade is lost. I think this sort of perspective is why many people across the political spectrum hesitate to shout “that’s racist”.

He's 27. He's well aware of the word nigger and it's implications.

Also, you are basically highlighting racism today, the racism that is hidden under the guise of something else, see my post you are quoting for countless examples.

 

[King Tubby]

I don’t know much about Pewdiepie and his beliefs, but does he actually think black people are inferior? Is what he said necessarily racist, or could it just be bad culture? In no way am I attempting to excuse what he said, I am instead interested I how some of you see this issue. Bad culture and racism are certainly not mutually exclusive; the latter often follows from the former, but bad culture doesn’t always indicate racism.

I'm gonna make it more clear cut, because a lot of the arguments defending PewDiePie from charges of racism could be made about the following.

That's 5 high school students in an Iowa town posing in Klan hoods with a Confederate flag next to a burning cross for a picture. There's probably no black person around to see it, and for all we know, those kids don't believe themselves to be superior or black people to be inferior. I mean, we can't read their minds, right? Let's be charitable and say they just want to be "edgy."

It's still racist as fuck. They should still be held accountable. Calling them racist for doing something racist seems pretty apt to me.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Pewdiepie says the n-word.

Concern trolls here: "I am a liberal but, is he racist or just stupid? should we label him? are we being to harsh? you know guys i think that no, it's definitely not racism, you know, the guy yelling the n-word to his millions of fans and then correcting it to "asshole", definitely not a racist thing to do, not something a racist would do"

Fuck off with that shit. With these guys you can see how deeply ingrained the problem is. People going out of their ways to try and justify or shift the blame.

Absolutely pathetic behaviour.

 

[Gnome Scat]

I have mixed feelings about this. 50 years ago in the U.S., the word “racist” was used to describe a particular type of person who thought another race was inferior, and therefore subjugation and unequal treatment were justified. I think our progressive culture necessarily expanded the scope of the word in part because during the 1960s and 1970s racism and racists went underground in many parts of the country; it became covert.

I don’t know much about Pewdiepie and his beliefs, but does he actually think black people are inferior? Is what he said necessarily racist, or could it just be bad culture? In no way am I attempting to excuse what he said, I am instead interested I how some of you see this issue. Bad culture and racism are certainly not mutually exclusive; the latter often follows from the former, but bad culture doesn’t always indicate racism.

Can you still be a racist if you do not buy into the superiority complex? Does racism even make sense without race supremacy? I think a lot of liberals (and I consider myself liberal) would probably say that the superiority complex is not a requirement to racism, that actions and words are racist based on their effects and outcomes. Maybe, but I don’t think I can get entirely behind that. The racists of the 1950s and before are still around, and they are likely lost causes; we should call them out and do everything we can to exact societal penalties for their racist beliefs and actions. But I think a lot of other people simply grew up in insulated communities with bad culture. I think these people can be reached through conversation and education (confirmed by my anecdotal experience), and I think a lot of other liberals feel that way also. If you try to start the conversation with “you’re racist” then any real chance to persuade is lost. I think this sort of perspective is why many people across the political spectrum hesitate to shout “that’s racist”.

I think the word itself carries that superiority complex with it. People like PewDiePie might not fully realize the full scope of the connotation the n-word holds, but their use of it still empowers the ideas that created the meaning of the word. You can't separate a word like that from the history that comes along with it, so when someone says it in the context it was said in the video, it still very well perpetuates racism. Clearly the n-word in itself is racist, so what does that make of someone who uses it? Regardless of just how racist someone is who uses it, it still makes them enablers of racism itself. I don't think ignorance should be used as an excuse anymore when at this point, everyone should know better if they actually care about fighting racism.

 

[FaustusMD]

I still think you mean it. I have no idea what you think those words mean but you're in a fantasy world. How much 'detriment' is acceptable to you exactly? So somewhere between allowing people to use racial slurs (which I guess to you is not enough to be a 'detriment') and genocide is where racism lies and yet you still can't figure it out.

Think about what you are saying. I said I did not mean genocide. It doesn't mean that. You're trying to justify your mistaken conclusion for the sake of argument. You were wrong.

I'm just glad you were able to seize on someone assuming that when you say "the downfall of a race," it could be interpreted as genocide. I mean really, you were almost forced to address the criticism of your point head on. Thankfully, you were able to dodge that point by very bravely focusing on a quirk of phrasing. It's incredibly relieving to know you still stand by the idea that shouting "fucking [n-word]" at someone isn't really racist.

I've addressed this many times throughout the topic. I can't respond to each and every person on a phone. I won't be discussing it any further directly as stated before. If you are content with your position, that should be enough as I won't be returning for that.

No, the limit is not genocide for being a fucking racist. Once again, he is a grown man not a child. He knows better and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. It's funny to me how you keep trying to pretend you aren't a racist apologist even though everyone is calling you out on it because your motives are so transparent. You're not saying anything new we haven't heard from the countless other apologists before you.

As I already said, you're not fooling anyone.

You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

Have fun.

 

[Seesaw15]

This video actually put him in a better light for me (I had a pretty negative opinion of him, beforehand). He still comes off as ignorant, though. I guess that's better than racist, in the end

Spoiler

Wake me up when he finally has the spine to talk about Jon Tron.

Liked I started out really liking H3H3 so it was never one thing that soured me on their content more of a death by a thousand cuts. I'm glad he called out Alt-Right/Nazi/White Nationalist as being unequivocally terrible.

 

[Bastables]

I'm gonna make it more clear cut, because a lot of the arguments defending PewDiePie from charges of racism could be made about the following.



That's 5 high school students in an Iowa town posing in Klan hoods with a Confederate flag next to a burning cross for a picture. There's probably no black person around to see it, and for all we know, those kids don't believe themselves to be superior or black people to be inferior. I mean, we can't read their minds, right? Let's be charitable and say they just want to be "edgy."

It's still racist as fuck. They should still be held accountable. Calling them racist for doing something racist seems pretty apt to me.

Or an actual bi racial boy hung by teenagers.

Guess those teenagers were just playing around and made a simple mistake, no racism involved at all obviously just edgy shinangins.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/11/teens-taunted-biracial-boy-hung-him-from-rope-family/

 

[ToonLink]

It's telling that so many people are more concerned about someone being labeled a racist than said person actually saying racist things.

 

[KingSnake]

I have mixed feelings about this. 50 years ago in the U.S., the word "racist" was used to describe a particular type of person who thought another race was inferior, and therefore subjugation and unequal treatment were justified. I think our progressive culture necessarily expanded the scope of the word in part because during the 1960s and 1970s racism and racists went underground in many parts of the country; it became covert.

I don't know much about Pewdiepie and his beliefs, but does he actually think black people are inferior? Is what he said necessarily racist, or could it just be bad culture? In no way am I attempting to excuse what he said, instead I am interested in how some of you see this issue.

Bad culture and racism are certainly not mutually exclusive; the latter often follows from the former, but bad culture doesn't always indicate racism. Can you still be a racist if you do not buy into the superiority complex? Does racism even make sense without race supremacy? I think a lot of liberals (and I consider myself liberal) would probably say that the superiority complex is not a requirement to racism, that actions and words are racist based on their effects and outcomes. Maybe, but I don't think I can get entirely behind that. The racists of the 1950s and before are still around, and they are likely lost causes; we should call them out and do everything we can to exact societal penalties for their racist beliefs and actions. But I think a lot of other people simply grew up in insulated communities with bad culture. I think these people can be reached through conversation and education (confirmed by my anecdotal experience), and I think a lot of other liberals feel that way also. If you try to start the conversation with "you're racist" then any real chance to persuade is lost. I think this sort of perspective is why many people across the political spectrum hesitate to shout "that's racist".

He used "fucking n****r" as a curse. More so, there's really no acceptable context in which you can use this expression without a negative connotation.

Why are you trying to construct a fantasy setting ("a lot of other people simply grew up in insulated communities with bad culture") over a very particular situation. We don't talk here about some hypothetical person, this is about somebody who has quite a clear history (enriched with mentions about rape, jews, nazis and so on).

And he needs to be called out for the racist he is because he influences millions of people.

 

[TatteredHat]

Lol, Boogie is so fucking misguided with his "tolerate stupid people" speech. He tolerates that shit because it doesn't affect him personally, so easy to say that when you don't have to deal with the consequences.

 

[Seesaw15]

I have mixed feelings about this. 50 years ago in the U.S., the word “racist” was used to describe a particular type of person who thought another race was inferior, and therefore subjugation and unequal treatment were justified. I think our progressive culture necessarily expanded the scope of the word in part because during the 1960s and 1970s racism and racists went underground in many parts of the country; it became covert.

I don’t know much about Pewdiepie and his beliefs, but does he actually think black people are inferior? Is what he said necessarily racist, or could it just be bad culture? In no way am I attempting to excuse what he said, instead I am interested in how some of you see this issue.

Bad culture and racism are certainly not mutually exclusive; the latter often follows from the former, but bad culture doesn’t always indicate racism. Can you still be a racist if you do not buy into the superiority complex? Does racism even make sense without race supremacy? I think a lot of liberals (and I consider myself liberal) would probably say that the superiority complex is not a requirement to racism, that actions and words are racist based on their effects and outcomes. Maybe, but I don’t think I can get entirely behind that. The racists of the 1950s and before are still around, and they are likely lost causes; we should call them out and do everything we can to exact societal penalties for their racist beliefs and actions. But I think a lot of other people simply grew up in insulated communities with bad culture. I think these people can be reached through conversation and education (confirmed by my anecdotal experience), and I think a lot of other liberals feel that way also. If you try to start the conversation with “you’re racist” then any real chance to persuade is lost. I think this sort of perspective is why many people across the political spectrum hesitate to shout “that’s racist”.

Lol, the "Bad Culture" is racism.

 

[Zolo]

Lol, Boogie is so fucking misguided with his "tolerate stupid people" speech. He tolerates that shit because it doesn't affect him personally, so easy to say that when you don't have to deal with the consequences.

Unless they're fat shaming, then fuck them.

 

[jiiikoo]

You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

Have fun.

Or maybe it's you who is not fathoming how you're being a racist apologist?

 

[NHarmonic.]

Think about what you are saying. I said I did not mean genocide. It doesn't mean that. You're trying to justify your mistaken conclusion for the sake of argument. You were wrong.



You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

Have fun.

Sad that you keep with this rhetoric, then. If what you said is true and you still want to search for reasons to not held PDP accountable, then yeah, i'm really sorry.

This is the act of a racist. One that has the most subscribed account in youtube, huge figure of the gaming community and watched by thousands of kids in the world. Think about that before trying to justify his shit as ignorance, stupidity or anything. He's clearly all of the above.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Think about what you are saying. I said I did not mean genocide. It doesn't mean that. You're trying to justify your mistaken conclusion for the sake of argument. You were wrong.



You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

Have fun.

Right, so 'downfall' is a lower bar than genocide. Great. You get exactly no points. Where is this magic bar then that you consider it acceptable to call someone a racist?

Consider in your last definition even active discrimination wouldn't be racist as long as they didn't believe in their heart of hearts that they wished for the 'downfall' of an entire race.

 

[Nanashrew]

It's telling that so many people are more concerned about someone being labeled a racist than said person actually saying racist things.

The word clearly holds power beyond that of a God.

 

[Merc_]

You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

Have fun.

Your background and living in other countries does absolutely nothing to change your racist apologetics. Your posts in this thread are just the same bog standard racist apology we've been seeing all thread and you've been called out on it repeatedly by multiple posters. Watching you now try and play the victim on top of it is just sickening.

You have fooled no one with your act here. Get lost.

 

[dripdripsplash]

Love the: "He has to actually go out and lynch black people to be racist"-argument

 

[FinalAres]

It's telling that so many people are more concerned about someone being labeled a racist than said person actually saying racist things.

I am also someone who doesn't think someone should be blanket labelled a racist for saying a racist slur. But also using a racist slur is enough of an awful thing to do, that I agree that should really be what we're talking about.

But just wanted to say, thinking someone shouldn't be labelled a racist, but also wanting to talk about how awful he is for saying that word, are not mutually exclusive things.

 

[Zolo]

I feel you could basically just take that one south park episode where you replace 'N****r guy' with 'Racist guy' at this point, and it would be pretty accurate.

 

[Magwik]

You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

Have fun.

1. You yourself have been called horrible things but somehow you can't see the intent of calling someone a nigger?

2. Your background means nothing when your posts here say all that needs to be said. JonTron being Iranian doesn't cancel out him wanting to cleanse the gene pool from the blacks and Mexicans, terrified of anyone who isn't white.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

I think some people are overreacting to the notion of someone being "racist". Literally who cares what label you put on the guy? He did a racist thing. The thing he did is 100% racist and based on racial prejudice and oppression. That's all you need to know. Who cares what he feels deep inside, christ.

 

[Cmagus]

I really like that one, thanks for sharing. Makes me reconsider being hesitant to acknowledge this as an act of racism.

Reading through more of the posts and positions on here shed some light on a misconception I may have with how racism can manifest itself in people. I'm so used to seeing it thrown at much bigger people for much more blatant acts and words that it diminishes the everyday, casual racism that can just as effectively keep it alive. It's harder for me to see that as clearly coming from the outside, because when you aren't the target or the collateral of those kinds of words it becomes easier to dismiss this sort of behavior as something lesser than it actually is. If I personally don't think it's okay to say the n-word because it is inherently racist, then why should I alter my own rationalization to accommodate others?

You fix the problem by calling out the ones using the language. I mean if people don't call it for what it is then how does that change anything? This guy has 57 million subscribers, more than half are probably younger children to teens who eat up his every word and find it hilarious. There is no doubt that within the gaming community this behavior and a lot of these words sadly have become some what normalized especially with younger to teen audiences.

So what do you do? give him a slap on the wrist and continue to give him a platform? I mean the sheer amount of people who defend this behavior is already proof enough that many people are already normalizing this type of language. You said in a previous post we need to figure out a way to change the gaming community, well letting this type of behavior continue only normalizes the words more and then it becomes an even bigger problem when you have a ton of younger kids growing up on Youtube thinking n***** is just a word and it's just a joke.

I mean watch the video in the op at the time stamps, After the first time he says it he then later reads a donation someone sends him with the iDubbz thing where it says "sayyy n*****" in which he reads again and laughs, so I mean he must be feeling really bad that he said it the first time that he says it again and laughs it off. Be real, he doesn't give a shit and doesn't feel sorry one bit.

Watching Double Toasted talking about this issue, it's sad to see that the kid doesn't see this as a problem. I wonder if all these defenders are in similar age.

A large part of his audience are young kids and the kid on the Double Toasted video is a look at just how acceptable, normalized these words are becoming and why it's really not shocking to hear a lot of the language you hear in online games because many of them do think it's ok and the meaning of the word becomes nothing more than joke in a "heated" online game. Any sane adult knows n***** carries a strong negative meaning but there are a lot of younger people growing up on Youtube who may not understand the full meaning or concept of the word because they've only seen it as a "joke" you call your friends.

 

[Vinnk]

You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

Have fun.

I don't think you are racist. At least I don't have any evidence that you have done racist things.

I have seen videos of PDP doing racist things. Maybe they are pranks and in his heart of hearts he is a truly wonderful man who loves all people. But I have no evidence of that either. Just the videos I saw of him doing an edgy "Death to Jews" "joke" and calling someone the n-word.

I am confused as to why you are so upset that someone who used the n-word in a racist way is being labeled as a racist.

It is fine if you don't want to call him such, but why does it bother you that other people are calling the man who does racist things a racist?

We do agree that what he did was racist? Right? ...right?

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Think about what you are saying. I said I did not mean genocide. It doesn't mean that. You're trying to justify your mistaken conclusion for the sake of argument. You were wrong.



You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

Have fun.

The dude doesn't give a fuck. His opinion on this and other offensive things he's done has basically boiled down to, "get over it" or "stop being so easily triggered." This guy has millions of dollars and in the end does. not. give. a. single. fuck. He doesn't care who he hurts, who he demeans by describing a group of people as subhuman. He'd rather claim ownership to a hurtful word than just give it up and admit he was wrong to say it. He is a racist coward who is perpetuating hate and he doesn't fucking care.

Especially when he seems to have a never-ending parade of people willing to ride in to explain to everyone how repeatedly doing racist shit with no remorse doesn't make you a racist person. If you are who you say you are, you're acting pretty goddamn pathetic for holding water for someone who doesn't give even a quarter of a shit about you.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Love the: "He has to actually go out and lynch black people to be racist"-argument

No no no that's too harsh! He's not a racist so long as he doesn't wish for the' downfall' of an entire race or ethnic group! See, totally different.

 

[mjp2417]

It's funny to me how you keep trying to pretend you aren't a racist apologist even though everyone is calling you out on it because your motives are so transparent.

You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing.

I'm going to go ahead and guess that the poster calling you a racist apologist is doing so because your entire contribution to this thread has consisted of apologizing for racists. That's just a guess though.

 

[NHarmonic.]

I am also someone who doesn't think someone should be blanket labelled a racist for saying a racist slur. But also using a racist slur is enough of an awful thing to do, that I agree that should really be what we're talking about.

But just wanted to say, thinking someone shouldn't be labelled a racist, but also wanting to talk about how awful he is for saying that word, are not mutually exclusive things.

What's the threshold for being a racist? Only KKK members or those who physically assault someone qualify?

 

[KingSnake]

You thinking I am secretly racist is just embarrassing. You can reframe it how you want but it's clear. I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family.

Other races can be racist too. Plus, Eastern Europe and Asia have a lot of problems with racism too. So this is not a wildcard for you.

And you are still stating that using "fucking n****r" to curse someone is not racist. Think about it. At best you are an enabler of racism.

 

[Isaac Otherworld]

Or an actual bi racial boy hung by teenagers.

Guess those teenagers were just playing around and made a simple mistake, no racism involved at all obviously just edgy shinangins.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/11/teens-taunted-biracial-boy-hung-him-from-rope-family/

I mean look, did those kids say "We are hanging you explicitly because you are biracial and no other reason at all"? You might be jumping the gun on the whole racist thing because you can't know what's in someone's heart.

I shouldn't even joke about it because that incident is so terrible, but that's almost the point we've getting to. The line keeps getting pushed further and further back. A few years ago it was a joke that people would deny that someone was racist unless they were specifically caught saying the n-word. Now someone can just throw the N-word at people and have Youtubers lining up to wipe their ass.

 

[Magwik]

I think some people are overreacting to the notion of someone being "racist". Literally who cares what label you put on the guy? He did a racist thing. The thing he did is 100% racist and based on racial prejudice and oppression. That's all you need to know. Who cares what he feels deep inside, christ.

Calling someone a racist has been rebranded into being just as bad as racial slurs by the right and moderates who are too afraid to identify as right winged.

I don't care if it costed her the election, Clinton calling out the deplorables is absolutely the best thing she had done up until that point, especially when the media and everyone else was too afraid to do so.

 

[ToonLink]

I am also someone who doesn't think someone should be blanket labelled a racist for saying a racist slur. But also using a racist slur is enough of an awful thing to do, that I agree that should really be what we're talking about.

But just wanted to say, thinking someone shouldn't be labelled a racist, but also wanting to talk about how awful he is for saying that word, are not mutually exclusive things.

I'm interested in knowing the context where someone calls someone else the N word (as an insult, not a 'ma nigga' kind of way) and isn't a racist. Why would they choose to use a racist slur if they don't harbour racist thoughts, even if those thoughts are subconscious? Why is that word in their vocabulary?

 

[Gestault]

I am mixed race with Asian, Caucasian, and East European heritage in my immediate family. I have lived in four countries and speak four languages that are all important to me as part of my cultural identity. You cannot fathom how someone disagrees with your opinion and yet is not a racist. Race is a real part of my identity and always has been. I've been called terrible things and struggled with fitting in as a result of my heritage my entire life. I have seen race at play every day in my life, but you can't understand it because I disagree with you.

This wasn't directed at me, but this context makes your earlier posts come across even worse. Coming from having experienced racial mistreatement (which is your characterization, not mine), and your contribution to a topic so clear-cut is to police what conclusions people can arrive at about a series of events, or downplay the potency others feel about racial hostility. Man, you're a piece of work. I don't even want to touch on the implication that being in a minority makes it impossible to integrate racist views. Your words, ideas, and justifications are what some see as being ambivalent, if not in active defense of bigotry toward others.

 

[13ruce]

Or an actual bi racial boy hung by teenagers.

Guess those teenagers were just playing around and made a simple mistake, no racism involved at all obviously just edgy shinangins.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/11/teens-taunted-biracial-boy-hung-him-from-rope-family/

It's so sad these kind of things fucking happen in first world countries of all still and in general.

What the fuck man.....hopefully those teens got adult punishment because they deserve it.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Pewdiepie says the n-word.

Concern trolls here: "I am a liberal but, is he racist or just stupid? should we label him? are we being to harsh? you know guys i think that no, it's definitely not racism, you know, the guy yelling the n-word to his millions of fans and then correcting it to "asshole", definitely not a racist thing to do, not something a racist would do"

Fuck off with that shit. With these guys you can see how deeply ingrained the problem is. People going out of their ways to try and justify or shift the blame.

Absolutely pathetic behaviour.

Yep. It's simple to connect the dots here and the image you end up with is unsettling. He's white. He's rich. He's educated. He's made anti-semitic 'jokes' before. And now this 'fucking n****r' phrase is seemingly a common phrase for him whilst with other people.

He's a fucking lowlife and undoubtably does, in some way, believe he is superior to other races.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Did something new happen? Why did this thread explode in such a manner?

 

[Bastables]

I mean look, did those kids say "We are hanging you explicitly because you are biracial and no other reason at all"? You might be jumping the gun on the whole racist thing because you can't know what's in someone's heart.

I shouldn't even joke about it because that incident is so terrible, but that's almost the point we've getting to. The line keeps getting pushed further and further back. A few years ago it was a joke that people would deny that someone was racist unless they were specifically caught saying the n-word. Now someone can just throw the N-word at people and have Youtubers lining up to wipe their ass.

It's terrifying to joke about as the investigating Cops have been adamant that the teenagers that hung him are the real victims of their racist murder attempt... fuck me.

Claremont authorities have said they are investigating the attack but did not comment on specific details of the case because it involves juveniles.

"These people need to be protected," Claremont Police Chief Mark Chase said of the teenagers accused of hanging the boy. "Mistakes they make as a young child should not have to follow them for the rest of their life."

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...-boy-claremont-new-hampshire-2017-9?r=US&IR=T

 

[Magwik]

Did something new happen? Why did this thread explode in such a manner?

"I'm not racist nor do I condone racism, buuuuuut "
Every page.

 

[KingSnake]

Did something new happen? Why did this thread explode in such a manner?

Fake "liberals" being concerned about how calling racists racists means that they will continue to be racists just to spite us.

 

[13ruce]

It's terrifying to joke about as the investigating Cops have been adamant that the teenagers that hung him are the real victims to be protected.... fuck me.

Claremont authorities have said they are investigating the attack but did not comment on specific details of the case because it involves juveniles.

“These people need to be protected,” Claremont Police Chief Mark Chase said of the teenagers accused of hanging the boy. “Mistakes they make as a young child should not have to follow them for the rest of their life.”

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...-boy-claremont-new-hampshire-2017-9?r=US&IR=T

What the fuck!? I know the american police force and some others in other countries are a fucking joke but damn.

They should be gone to a mental hospital jail till they are 21 at the very least. They boy could have died it was a legit attempt at murder in pure hate.

 

[Vinnk]

Did something new happen? Why did this thread explode in such a manner?

Unfortunately it's the same old thing. The same thing that has been happening for hundreds of years. And the people who are defending it.

 

[BGBW]

Did something new happen? Why did this thread explode in such a manner?

More YouTubers/Twitchers made "insightful" comments on the situation.

The funny thing is, these people seem to want this to be a non-story and be swept under the carpet, yet don't realise the story has evolved beyond what PDP said and now about the rather depressing views held by, in the words of EA, YouTube influencers.

The more they say silly things, the more this story will grow.

 

[Willenium]

Claremont authorities have said they are investigating the attack but did not comment on specific details of the case because it involves juveniles.

“These people need to be protected,” Claremont Police Chief Mark Chase said of the teenagers accused of hanging the boy. “Mistakes they make as a young child should not have to follow them for the rest of their life.”

This is bullshit. That argument is only worthwhile in the case of like, shoplifting or cheating on a test or something. A crime like this hints at waaaay deeper issues with these kids.

 

[LotusHD]

Did something new happen? Why did this thread explode in such a manner?

People that don't know PDP personally are questioning if he's a racist in his heart, and are downplaying people doing the sensible thing by looking at his words and actions to determine just that.

 

[Nanashrew]

There are various degrees of racism and if you're doing racist things like saying the N word you will be rightfully called out as a racist. And he did! With a hard R.

It's just that simple!

He also made concentration camp "jokes" in the past. Let's not even forget any of his jokes on the holocaust and concentration camp stuff. Making the Jewish people who were tortured and even died the butt of the joke and not the Nazis who committed those acts of cruelty.

We don't have to look to a single use of the N word, we got lots of stuff to go on with PDP. Heck, where did that Twitter clip go where PDP was almost saying the N word but would stop himself just before the G and say "Ni-ninja, I mean ninja" and other stuff? Someone brought up that was a clip from a month ago and it showed that he has a history of using the word quite frequently.

That was an important clip.

 

[HazySaiyan]

so this keemstar dude made a video basically saying if you don't direct it to an actual black person, even in the presence of black people its ok...so basically if a person was to get mad playing a handheld game and say that out loud on a bus/plane in the presence of black people its ok as long as its not being directed at them?

I'm telling you...as a black man that shit isn't going to fly.

am I in the fucking twilight zone?

Keemstar doesn't exactly have the best track record on this either https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFACFmeyqJw

 

[Isaac Otherworld]

It's terrifying to joke about as the investigating Cops have been adamant that the teenagers that hung him are the real victims of their racist murder attempt... fuck me.

Claremont authorities have said they are investigating the attack but did not comment on specific details of the case because it involves juveniles.

"These people need to be protected," Claremont Police Chief Mark Chase said of the teenagers accused of hanging the boy. "Mistakes they make as a young child should not have to follow them for the rest of their life."

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...-boy-claremont-new-hampshire-2017-9?r=US&IR=T

Fuck me

Teenagers literally trying to do a lynching? = "Now look, we don't want to ruin their lives for a mistake they made as teenage children."

Tamir Rice, not hurting anyone playing with a toy gun = Gun him down with extreme prejudice and call him a dangerous animal in the media after the fact.

White privilege could not possibly be more visible.

 

[tonysidaway]

Did something new happen? Why did this thread explode in such a manner?

A stampede for the exit.

 

[Stop It]

Here's a link to Boogie's speech about tolerating bigots:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/174149200?t=32m51s

"If you were a straight white man, you had to learn to tolerate the African Americans who moved into your neighborhood...but along with that came the fact that you would also be tolerated...everyone would be tolerated, even people who were wrong, even people who were bigoted"

The equating of tolerating bigotry with tolerating being a human who isn't white really is some boogie-level shit.

Oh my god.

I honestly though the "Centrist" label was a straw man and people didn't actually talk like this.

I'm obviously wrong and ashamed to even think that I am supposedly on the same part of the political spectrum as this asshat.

This isn't political centrism, this is bullshit of the highest order.

I know Boogie has been here before he got permed and I'm sure he probably lurks here so I'll address this directly.

You don't "tolerate" other people around you, you live with them. If your perception of a neighborhood is people tolerating each other then you're a blinkered, sheltered idiot.

You're either naive beyond comprehension or a disingenuous cunt. I don't think you're the former.