I think you have a warped view of what a racist is. You don't have to be a card carrying member of the KKK to be a racist. I don't know what the word flat is supposed to mean in front of racist or sexist. If I went around saying racist shit or doing racist shit, that would make me a racist. You know, most racists are very adamant that they are in fact not racist at all. That doesn't mean they aren't racist. It just means they're stupid as hell and racist at the same time. If casual racism or diet racism is a more palatable term for you, then by all means keep sipping from that can.
PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream
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I think you're misreading me. To be clear I'm not defending PDP. My comment was literally a response to those saying "He said this therefore he is racist" which I don't agree with.
I wasn't saying "well I don't know about that" to dismiss all the other evidence as irrelevant. I was saying "well I don't know about that" to make it clear I am not informed enough on PDP to be able to give any opinion on him.
If you read what I've said so far its all been 'generally speaking this doesn't mean this'. Because that's as far as I'm knowledgeable enough to comment. I am 100% not informed enough on PDP to comment on him.
I'll just repeat what I said before which is that whilst I can understand this viewpoint. Its far too black and white, and in my experience things are never that simple. Although I suppose the idea that racism is bad is definitely black and white, there's no "well he's only kind of racist so that's kind of okay".
GHG
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When faced with the prospect of them themselves being the milkshake duck, "that's not racist" they said.
When faced with the prospect of people on their friends lists being milkshake ducks, "ok maybe it's a racist thing to say, but that doesn't make them racist" they said.
you're doing a damn fine job defending his racism despite this though...
It's both ism and ignorance. How are you not understanding that? The ism is appropriately labelled until the person recognises the weight of their actions and stops doing racist/sexist shit
Waluigilicious
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He didn't simply use the word as in "come on my n-word" he used it as an equivalent of "asshole". Who even uses the word like that?
Double Donut
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I don't play PUBG so maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how that's a bad thing? If my enemies are about to eliminate my team, why wouldn't I want to drag them down with me?
Also, these fuckboys that are saying "words are words".
What the fuck is the line between a racist and a not-racist? These kids think like there is a HARD LINE between "a normal human being" and a "KKK burning a person on a cross". That's not how this works! Fuck, I feel like these people would defend pewdiepie if he were to do the latter and shit out something like "Hey actions are actions. He is not racist".
Jesus America. You have a PROBLEM with racism, son.
What the fuck is the line between a racist and a not-racist? These kids think like there is a HARD LINE between "a normal human being" and a "KKK burning a person on a cross". That's not how this works! Fuck, I feel like these people would defend pewdiepie if he were to do the latter and shit out something like "Hey actions are actions. He is not racist".
Jesus America. You have a PROBLEM with racism, son.
Not informed enough about X. Not giving opinion on X.
Informed enough about Y. Giving opinion on Y.
Well at least I've learnt in this thread that you don't need to be racist to be stupid.
A lot of ignorant white people seem to think that being called racist is the worst possible thing they can be called. Such a term is reserved for the Klan, not the nice little boys on YouTube.
It's why they invented "a little bit racist" and "racist words are not racist deeds." It's all bullshit. 1% racist is 100% racist.
cartographer
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I'm pretty sure at this point if PDP just came out and said "Im a racist and proud if it, please refer to me as a racist going forward" that people would still be trying to figure out what he "really meant" while saying they don't know his heart so calling him racist is unfair.
ken_matthews
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Maybe it doesnt work with him? But Ill re-type what I posted from a previous reply.
This where I am coming from:
I have worked with and around a lot of military personnel over the last ten years. I have met a lot of different types of people from all over the country. I have met a lot of people who came from insulated and homogenous towns (typically small towns or rural areas were everybody is a white Christian), and I have had a lot of conversations. Some of these people were unapologetic racists, but a lot of them were simply ignorant of history, racism, socioeconomics. Ive seen people change over the course of a couple years, after they were really exposed to different types of people and ideas. It doesnt happen though media or on the internet, but it can happen through real dialogue and interaction.
Ill confess that I am not familiar with his nazi joke, and maybe none of what I described is possible with Pew; maybe he is a lost cause. I want the same outcome as most everyone in this thread, but I guess I just disagree over some of the tactics.
There are different degrees to racism, sexism, or any kind of bigotry. I think maybe that's where this disagreement is stemming from. Like many people have already said, you don't have to be a full blown KKK member to be racist. At the end of the day, though, I don't think there's any room for argument in this scenario. We're not talking about a hypothetical person, we're talking about an individual who has a history of hateful and bigoted behaviour.
Being ignorant doesn't mean you aren't also a racist. Growing up in the age of the internet, being the biggest YouTube personality, being raised in a European country, living in the UK, PDP would have had so many opportunities to educate himself on what the word means and how hurtful it is to black people. Some people choose to be ignorant. That doesn't mean they aren't racist.
The mental gymnastics are staggering. It's like they believe that a person must fully understand what it means to be racist and file the cooresponding paper work with the moral authority and wear the appropriate tipped hat and self-declare to the world they are a racist before anyone else can call them a racist.
For all the (especially white) people who try to rationalise it are also people who've used "nigga" in their language. They don't want to feel guilty for the word being in their speaking vocabulary.
These are the people who say "words are just words" (Faze Banks, famous gaming Youtuber):
He deleted all these tweets where he said "nigga" yesterday.
yooooo wtf...
Jackstin certainly would be i reckon.
Of course not 💯 informed about person but is willing and able to bring up every excuse to defend said person to not be labelled as racist though.
Also like how you missed the part where I wrote he has said he knows the people watching the stream don't care he used the word.
Good job.
Dredd97
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they're more worried, that twitch and youtube will finally stand up against the racist assholes who seem to dominate the gaming culture and ban them.. this isn't about standing up for PDP they're worried that what affects him, affects them.. this is money.. they're worried the money is going to go away, and their cushy lifestyle with it..
HazySaiyan
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People going out of their way to defend PDP like
ManUnkindH
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It's beyond baffling the amount of attention that imbecile gets....
NHarmonic.
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Stop posting, it's embarrassing. Dude has shown countless times that he is a racist, this is one more point in the awful list.
Prithee Be Careful
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No I'm not
I've said very clearly that using racist slurs is bad enough in itself.
I'll go ahead and assume you're being genuine. No we don't know what PDP really thinks inside his own little head, but in an unguarded moment he called someone who pissed him off a 'fucking n****r'.
It wasn't some sort of faux-gangster 'that's cold, nigga' routine, it was an unguarded moment where he said the first thing that came to mind and that thing was deeply fucking racist. How do you interpret that in a way that doesn't imply a degree of racist intent on his part?
Yup.
And by people, they mean strictly their kind only. To be nasty against "other" human beings is alright because these "others" is below them.
I suppose this is all we're arguing on, where do you draw the line. For me if someone used a racial slur it'd make me feel awkward and I'd tell them off, but it probably wouldn't change my opinion on whether they're racist or not.
But if someone said something about any race, even if it was something relatively minor, but they weren't joking, or you could tell they were #jokingnotjoking then it would make me change my mind.
Okay so could you point me to the comment I made where I was talking about PDP at all? The first comment I made about PDP was "I can't comment on him". I'm not defending him, or bringing up every excuse to defend him. I've not defended him once.
No I'm not
I've said very clearly that using racist slurs is bad enough in itself.
Saying a racist person is not racist is very much defending him.
I'm just happy I found the guy annoying and overstimulating. He was grating, his shouting was really turning me into stiming and his silly voices were making me run from the screen.
SO never really liked him, so he never turned into my Milkshake duck
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But those poor black and Jewish Children that really enjoyed watching him
. Seriously man, alt reich is literally grooming white kids to be their next "Trump Youth!".
It's fucking scary to watch.
SO never really liked him, so he never turned into my Milkshake duck
.But those poor black and Jewish Children that really enjoyed watching him
. Seriously man, alt reich is literally grooming white kids to be their next "Trump Youth!".It's fucking scary to watch.
On point.
GHG
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So are we back at "he was joking" or what?
What makes a racist slur a racist slur? Why use a racist slur over a non racist slur?
Gamers gotta defend gaming. An attack on PDP is attack on them, even though PDP is doing more damage to gaming than those critiquing him.
He's the guy who made gaming and Let's Play a big thing and a legit career so apparently we must all leave him be.
how many racist things does a racist do before people can call them racist?
there are different levels to racism, you don't need to be under white sheets and burning crosses to be a racist
HazySaiyan
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Thank you for that wonderful piece of insight
There's no valid defense for this. As Total Biscuit said in his tweet, he says it so casually that even if it was a mistake it's pretty clear he uses the word in that context more often. People don't just randomly start spouting words they never use in moments of frustration.
Rellik
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The door is over there. Feel free to use it.
The thing I don't get is, why does he need defending.
The guy is a millionaire youtuber. He built his brand on shock value and obviously that's seeped into his brain and made him a racist.
It doesn't matter what context he said it in, or his nationality, or the alignment of the planets or time of day it was, the guy said what he said and that was an act of racism.
To the argument of "why shouldn't he be allowed to say it if [group a] can say it" - the thing is he can say it as much as he wants, as often as he wants - and he'll be judged accordingly for doing so.
Words have meaning, and you'd have to be pretty dumb to forget the power that word does just because your favourite Youtuber used it for its intended effect.
The only reason I can see a defense squad for him are people who are on Youtube and don't want it affecting their bottomline or people who don't want him to lose his job. To the former group - if you're that worried that your brand is so associated with what he does that it would be affected by his actions - rebrand. To the latter, why would you watch videos of a guy who would do stuff like this, unless you're racists yourself and think it's ok.
He's made his bed. If he had half a brain, he'd go to counselling, get this shit out of his system, and use his creative ability more constructively - as well as make amends for what he's done. It won't fix what he's done, but he can leave that behind him.
Or he can become an alt-right martyr and fade into the ether, or get a job as the president's head of communication.
The guy is a millionaire youtuber. He built his brand on shock value and obviously that's seeped into his brain and made him a racist.
It doesn't matter what context he said it in, or his nationality, or the alignment of the planets or time of day it was, the guy said what he said and that was an act of racism.
To the argument of "why shouldn't he be allowed to say it if [group a] can say it" - the thing is he can say it as much as he wants, as often as he wants - and he'll be judged accordingly for doing so.
Words have meaning, and you'd have to be pretty dumb to forget the power that word does just because your favourite Youtuber used it for its intended effect.
The only reason I can see a defense squad for him are people who are on Youtube and don't want it affecting their bottomline or people who don't want him to lose his job. To the former group - if you're that worried that your brand is so associated with what he does that it would be affected by his actions - rebrand. To the latter, why would you watch videos of a guy who would do stuff like this, unless you're racists yourself and think it's ok.
He's made his bed. If he had half a brain, he'd go to counselling, get this shit out of his system, and use his creative ability more constructively - as well as make amends for what he's done. It won't fix what he's done, but he can leave that behind him.
Or he can become an alt-right martyr and fade into the ether, or get a job as the president's head of communication.
You seem deeply invested in a scenario where someone can do racist shit and say racist shit but still not be a racist. Seriously ask yourself why that is.
Most racists are cowards who are deathly afraid of being called a racist. Racism is complicated. If you actively perpetuate racism by using racist language then that makes you a racist whether you admit it to yourself or not. I suspect most racists haven't admitted to themselves that they are in fact racists.
Oh, sick burn.
So if thread is specifically about X, and X has a very clear history of saying racist, sexist and even doing anti-Semitic things (hell, admitting to using racist slurs off camera even) then what does your opinion on Y have to do with said thread? Wouldn't it be more productive to spend a little time educating yourself on X? Instead of rushing in giving your opinion but using ad hominem to insult others who are more versed on X than your self described "ignorant on x" self?
PhantomThief
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How is the biggest Youtuber star with 57+ MILLION subs, with a huge fanbase of CHILDREN watching his racist antics, blown out of proportion?
I find your post and handwaving ridiculous.
Like, you didnt even admit that he is in the wrong. No you are acting like us normal people who are not racists are making a big deal out of nothing.
Gtfo outta here with that shit.
What is the proportional response to someone using racial epithets?
Instead of condemning the response, why don't you show some actual bravery and give your opinion?
Primethius
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If you're using a racist slur in the way PDP used it, you're a racist. Plain and simple.
It's not hard to figure this shit out.
It's not hard to figure this shit out.
You haven't even watched the video..................what are you even doing here?
The fuck is wrong with people?
They're defending him because they've used the word before. They see him being publicly shamed and the thought of it happening to them makes them go into defensive mode.
Hence the 60+ "nobody cares, it's not a big deal" posts in this thread. Racism is real, and racism in gaming is a huge problem.
Well, as a black woman who has been on the receiving end of racism on many occasions since childhood (I'm also from the UK btw), I see people knowingly using racial slurs as insults as racism. It wouldn't just make me 'uncomfortable'. I think most reasonable people would think the same. I mean, they aren't just saying the word, they're using it as an insult. There's no grey area there.
I think you're coming from a good/genuine place. However, there's really no need to worry about someone being labeled a racist for their racist actions. At best, it will make the individual realise how awful their actions are. If they are actually a decent human being, that is. If that person doubles down on their behaviour after being called out, they are an awful human being that deserves no empathy.
ClosingADoor
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Overblown you say, but you still don't want to type the word. Then why would it be OK to use it as a curse word in your online stream?
Maybe watch the video then. No, it is not a joke. And really, a "joke" wouldn't be any better. Maybe next time he can have some guys hold up a sign with racial slurs as "edgy humor" right?
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