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[Yeoman]

Language and culture is not black n white mkey

He's not from Estonia though. He's from Sweden and many Swedish people have already stated that the word is regarded as extremely offensive over there.
In addition he has been living in the UK for a few years now where it absolutely is regarded as offensive.
He said the word because of how offensive it is, he forgot he was streaming.

The fact he said it with such conviction and ease is rather telling too. This is clearly a word he uses often in private.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Lol.

What fucking middle

His YouTube buddies who face losing money over this.

 

[Macapala]

Fuck me. Just keep digging your hole boogie.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Edit: Was replying to poster now banned

Damn mods work fast.

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

I think he's talking about other youtubers who he thinks could be hurt down the road if the firewatch dmca takedown sets the wrong (in his eyes) precedent.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong because I don't understand the full boogie history on this stuff

Not sure why you keep pushing this "he's only talking about the DMCA" side of things when I've already quoted twice that he said this:

It is also disappointing that perhaps he and others do not fully understand the weight those kind of words carry and the damage they can do.

How is that not about the use of the n-word?

 

[DVCY201]

Fucking christ

Who are these people in the middle? Can anyone caught in the middle please come forward?

 

[LotusHD]

"blah blah blah I'm not saying it isn't racist, but..."

Summed up very nicely

 

[Interface23]

What he said there makes sense and it's why Boogie is on of the very few personalities I even watch anymore.

He isn't defending Pewdiepie or what he said. He is defending the right to free speech on media platforms for those that AREN'T blatantly racist. That is who he means when he says "those caught in the middle". Meaning those that could be punished because of the act of one personality.

Yet once he never condemns PDP and only says it was a terrible mistake and PDP probably feels bad. And there is no middle. If you are buddies with known racists you are ok with racism.

 

[eizarus]

the people in the middle are also racists tho

Maybe they see it like one of those satisfaction surveys:

0 - not racist
1 - Muslims need to go back to the desert

5 - Them's brown and yellow folks are slowly taking over. They got good food though.

10 - N-bombs for days

 

[Balfour]

Language and culture is not black n white mkey

We're not talking about a random joe in a closed community

A guy who actively uses the internet, no matter where he is from knows the word is bad. Unless their web access is controlled in their country

I am sure if you use neogaf, twitter, youtube, or nearly anything. You know the word is bad no matter who you are

 

[What did he mean by this?]

What he said there makes sense and it's why Boogie is on of the very few personalities I even watch anymore.

He isn't defending Pewdiepie or what he said. He is defending the right to free speech on media platforms for those that AREN'T blatantly racist. That is who he means when he says "those caught in the middle". Meaning those that could be punished because of the act of one personality.

I think those folks are better off without Boogie defending them.

 

[ScaryShark]

What he said there makes sense and it's why Boogie is on of the very few personalities I even watch anymore.

He isn't defending Pewdiepie or what he said. He is defending the right to free speech on media platforms for those that AREN'T blatantly racist. That is who he means when he says "those caught in the middle". Meaning those that could be punished because of the act of one personality.

Is anyone threatening DMCA strikes on channels that aren't calling people a 'fucking n*****'? He's defending a hypothetical person who doesn't even exist.

Boogie routinely outs his intellect as being pretty average every time one of these events comes about. He's sticking his neck out for a personal friend instead of being even more angry about it because the person is his friend. Which is what a normal person would do in this situation.

 

[Mahonay]

People should take into account the social context as much he should take into account his audience...

Case and point - Estonia. Closed community, next to no racial mixing, no religion (95% atheist). Only foreigners are Russians that were bought here during Soviet invasion - 30% of population but they are visually indistinguishable and by now they are more or less our people, since most of them by now support Estonia and not "the motherland".

So about 15 years ago or so we had the first nonwhite people come to live here and we were like little kids at gala dinner. People could not help but to stare, some where afraid,didn't what to say. Some thought its a tan etc. Then ofc we had like 5 nazis pop up (we are a small country, so 5 probably about the right size of the group in this case) who ofc needed to bully the poor black student who came study here, it was all over the news and it was awkward and no one quite new how to behave. So the topic was kind of ignored then, but now, over the years , i'd say we have become a bit more attractive and we have an increase of different cultured/colored people and our limited experience in the past is showing. Just a few years ago one of our top politics used the N-word publicly and if my memory serves me correctly, the lingual committee supported him in the post mortem. Why?

Because "Neeger" (n-word in estonian) is a nicer word by meaning than "must" (black), because "must" means dirty as well in Estonian and calling people dirty is worse in this case.

Also, because socially the n-word does not carry the same meaning here - its was never used in the context of slavery. Only as word to describe color - an adoption of the latin term Niger (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/niger#Latin - i thought it was Negros tbh ) or sth. The bad connotation became known to us only with American culture much later.

Now I am not saying that PDP should not know his audience and should not take into account the meaning of what he says to other people. But to those other I would say, that words can have different meanings in different cultures and just because someone says what you think they said, it is possible that he/or she did not mean it in the same way as you understand it.

Language and culture is not black n white mkey

Did you watch the video? You couldn't possibly have watched it if you're making this absolutely ridiculous argument. Fucks' sake.

 

[andrerobot]

Man, I'm so disappointed in Boogie.
He's just an enabler.

Edit: stand for what's right man!

 

[John Rabbit]

Who are these people in the middle? Can anyone caught in the middle please come forward?

Gotta hear both all three sides.

 

[Gold_Loot]

Nope, he's talking about Felix and defending him.

Lol. No he's not. Read above.

 

[watershed]

Estonia guy got banned just as I was typing a response. Not gonna lie, some of these "I want to muddy the waters" posters make me wonder if they are purposely pretending to be ignorant.

 

[MarineMountie]

Who are these people in the middle? Can anyone caught in the middle please come forward?

He means any personality that would be affected by the act of one being racist. Freedoms, opinions, etc being censored because the biggest youtuber wanted to be a racist asshole. Those are the people in the middle he is referring to.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

What he said there makes sense and it's why Boogie is on of the very few personalities I even watch anymore.

He isn't defending Pewdiepie or what he said. He is defending the right to free speech on media platforms for those that AREN'T blatantly racist. That is who he means when he says "those caught in the middle". Meaning those that could be punished because of the act of one personality.

He's doing this in some imaginary scenario he came up with in his head.

The only person being punished here is Pewdiepie. There's no one else to defend. If you're defending anyone you're defending him by default

 

[notaskwid]

words

The Estonian example and why its 'ok' to be racist in Estonia has literally zero relevance in this case.

 

[ronaldthump]

Boogie's something isn't he. Such a lamer.

 

[joe2187]

What he said there makes sense and it's why Boogie is on of the very few personalities I even watch anymore.

He isn't defending Pewdiepie or what he said. He is defending the right to free speech on media platforms for those that AREN'T blatantly racist. That is who he means when he says "those caught in the middle". Meaning those that could be punished because of the act of one personality.

His concern mainly lies with how this "N Word" issue can affect him. It's a selfish and cowardly stance as well. He's only concerned so far as it can affect him.

A Single developer of an indie game vowed to file a DMCA and now all of a sudden Boogie is quaking in his boots because PDP being a shit stain can cause him to lose future profit...maybe.

He shows no concern for the damage PDP caused, and his history of grievences because hey, they're "Indepedent content creators".

 

[Irnbru]

Man, fuck anyone trying to defend or normalize this shit. This fucker has an enormous reach to kids and all this does it make them think it's okay. It's not fucking okay and it will never be fucking okay. You don't understand what it's like to be a minority and having to deal with this shit day in and day out. So fuck this fucker, and people both siding this shit, or oh it was an accident. An accident is stubbing your toe and screaming fuck. This was dilibeate as fuck. It's NOT ok to normalize racist epithets, and if you're going to defend him it's makes you a rascist as well. No fucking if ands or buts about it.

 

[tobactrac]

This is so transparently someone dealing with their own insecurities about their feelings on race it's almost sad.

Yep. The most magical part is that he thinks avoiding having an opinion one way or another removes him from the conversation entirely. Except:

1. He's already involved himself.
2. There Ain't No Middle Ground.

 

[ScientificPizza]

The middle.

That's the place assholes like Colin Moriarty live in right?

*whitehandsshaking.jpg*

he lives in the middle but has a vacation house he spends a lot of time at far out in the right

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Really dont think the Firewatch team should have DMCA'ed PewDiePie's videos. A better way is to first send a cease and desist letter before doing it.

Not that I dont agree with their reasoning, I really do. Much like artists who refuse to have their music be associated with some politicians or movements/political parties. Just disagree on the matter of refusing usage.

 

[oni-link]

Fucking christ

What the hell does "the middle" even look like?

Is he going to bat for everyone who is half arsed racist?

 

[Mahonay]

I don't know if I've ever witnessed so many bans come this fast in a thread.

God damn. Mods are on some Super Saiyan 3 shit right now.

 

[Interface23]

Really dont think the Firewatch team should have DMCA'ed PewDiePie's videos. A better way is to first send a cease and desist letter before doing it.

Not that I dont agree with their reasoning, I really do. Much like artists who refuse to have their music be associated with some politicians or movements/political parties. Just disagree on the matter of refusing usage.

Truth of the matter is though Let's Plays aren't fair use. Reviews and such are but LPs nah. If a Dev wants to nuke an LPer it's well within their rights

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

Really dont think the Firewatch team should have DMCA'ed PewDiePie's videos. A better way is to first send a cease and desist letter before doing it.

You use a Cease and Desist under the DMCA, they're not mutually exclusive.

 

[rikucrafter]

I have friends defending him, claiming that it's okay for him to say something like this in a streaming context despite knowing what type of audience digests his content (clarity edit: its not fucking okay in any situation). I love when I get a large scale event like this that really brings out some of the horrific ways that people think - shows who is and isn't worthy of associating with.

 

[Joeku]

Who are these people in the middle? Can anyone caught in the middle please come forward?

Hey, middle-person here! While I don't consider black people to be "niggers", I also don't consider white people spouting slurs to be "racists". I know that despite my constant cursing of lesser races under my breath, I'm a good person. I must be; there's almost no melanin in my skin. Shouting out racial slurs while angry is just part of growing an audience on the Internet, and all is fair in love and SEO and definitely not suggestive of underlying biases I contain just beneath the surface typically while streaming. That means I'm totally cool by Boogie's judgment, right!? I need him to tell me I'm close to the fence; it's a space I feel safe in.

 

[BGBW]

I see its hit BBC news.

So much for this being an issue only GAF would care about.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/907117296786833408

"So there's today's wishy washy fence setting for you. Feel free to unleash the butthurt. I look forward to the neogaf thread."

Lol

The fuck does this even mean? Wishy washy what?

Boogie, you've probably retreated to the warmth of your Twitter and YouTube comments but if you're still reading, you're a coward.

How much spin does one have to put on the n word to rationalize a manchild's usage of it in the way it was used? The kid used it. He has no excuse and this is clearly a pattern of behavior.

Come out and denounce, simple as that.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

What the hell does "the middle" even look like?

Is he going to bat for everyone who is half arsed racist?

Racists that want to live their lives in racist peace allowed to do whatever they want and benefit from the base of power they thrive in without having to be aware of the consequences of their racism.

 

[Jobbs]

Not sure why you keep pushing this "he's only talking about the DMCA" side of things when I've already quoted twice that he said this:



How is that not about the use of the n-word?

He is talking about the DMCA takedown precedent, though. When he said he worries about those "caught in the middle" I didn't read that as him feeling symapthy for other racists who may have their videos removed. I took it to mean he's concerned about the hypothetical youtuber who may have their video DMCA'd because someone doesn't agree with them on something that's much greyer than using the N word. Hopefully we can all easily agree that no one should be using the N word on stream, but not all matters are quite as easy to resolve.

If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me, but that's how I read it. I'm not even a big boogie defender and I thought his response to the Jontron thing was absurd. I'm just trying to get everything straight.

 

[watershed]

Boogie is too busy imagining fake non-existent innocent victims of a potential crack down on racial slurs and hate speech to consider the already real impact of racism perpetuated by youtube personalities. That's classic ignorance and privilege. He's more concerned about victims who don't exist instead of the reality that does.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

His concern mainly lies with how this "N Word" issue can affect him. It's a selfish and cowardly stance as well. He's only concerned so far as it can affect him.

A Single developer of an indie game vowed to file a DMCA and now all of a sudden Boogie is quaking in his boots because PDP being a shit stain can cause him to lose future profit...maybe.

He shows no concern for the damage PDP caused, and his history of grievences because hey, they're "Indepedent content creators".

all while really confusing the issue

in response to a situation in which a colleague of his is caught casually using a slur for minorities without remorse, he somehow manages in his mind to twist protecting his racist friend as protecting the marginalized in the future.

 

[Foundling]

Watching all these posters come out of the woodwork to get banned for defending racism, I feel like Willy Wonka pretending/not pretending to give a shit about stupid kids getting fucked up doing stupid shit: no...wait...don't do that...come back...

Someone please post the appropriate gif.

 

[Fat4all]

That means I'm totally cool by Boogie's judgment, right!? I need him to tell me I'm close to the fence; it's a space I feel safe in.

*neon-lights*
YOU
ARE
SAFE
*neon-lights*

 

[Nictel]

I have friends defending him, claiming that it's okay for him to say something like this in a streaming context despite knowing what type of audience digests his content. I love when I get a large scale event like this that really brings out some of the horrific ways that people think - shows who is and isn't worthy of associating with.

I am not suddenly going to use racist slurs in a stream out of the blue. If you use them 'in the heat of the moment' it means you also use them at other times. Probably when less people are watching.

 

[iavi]

I miss the days when staying in the middle just meant you're a goal-post moving coward who's too afraid to take a hard stance on their actual garbage ideals.

Oh wait.

It still means that.

PDP has been dropping enough breadcrumbs along the way before even the hard R, so this shouldn't surprise anyone, nor should his legion of alt-middle henchmen coming out the woodworks to defend him

 

[Messofanego]

I have friends defending him, claiming that it's okay for him to say something like this in a streaming context despite knowing what type of audience digests his content. I love when I get a large scale event like this that really brings out some of the horrific ways that people think - shows who is and isn't worthy of associating with.

Ex-friends

 

[besada]

I don't know if I've ever witnessed so many bans come this fast in a thread.

God damn. Mods are on some Super Saiyan 3 shit right now.

We prefer the Voltron metier. Stronger together

 

[VariantX]

I think all this in the "middle" nonsense Is just him not worrying about anything beyond getting paid. Felix doesn't give a fuck whether you or other tubers get paid or not. He already got his. That's why he doubled down on it. Stop caping for that fool.

 

[rikucrafter]

I am not suddenly going to use racist slurs in a stream out of the blue. If you use them 'in the heat of the moment' it means you also use them at other times. Probably when less people are watching.

Exactly right - sorry if I came across as defending the use of them in private, I'll make an edit to highlight the fact that I'm not.

And to the other commenter, ex-friends indeed.

 

[Rellik]

I don't know if I've ever witnessed so many bans come this fast in a thread.

God damn. Mods are on some Super Saiyan 3 shit right now.

The fact that a few of them were on my ignore list already tells me a lot. Glad to see the back of anyone who defends this crap. It's not okay and never will be.

 

[oni-link]

https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/907117296786833408

"So there's today's wishy washy fence setting for you. Feel free to unleash the butthurt. I look forward to the neogaf thread."

Lol

People who are concerned someone with a global audience and millions of young and impressionable fans is casually using racist slurs = people who are butthurt

Won't someone think of those caught in the middle!

I wish we could be cool and edgy like Boogie

 

[excelsiorlef]

He is talking about the DMCA takedown precedent, though. When he said he worries about those "caught in the middle" I didn't read that as him feeling symapthy for other racists who may have their videos removed. I took it to mean he's concerned about the hypothetical youtuber who may have their video DMCA'd because someone doesn't agree with them on something that's much greyer than using the N word. Hopefully we can all easily agree that no one should be using the N word on stream, but not all matters are quite as easy to resolve.

If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me, but that's how I read it. I'm not even a big boogie defender and I thought his response to the Jontron thing was absurd. I'm just trying to get everything straight.

But it's all in reaction to PDP's racism.

That's why it's all disingenuous when he says he's worried about political opinions being DMCA'd or whatever and then turns around when challenged and says but racism isn't a political opinion.

If he knows that then why the tweet initially about political opinions.

 

[ScientificPizza]

I miss the days when staying in the middle just meant you're a goal-post moving coward who's too afraid to take a hard stance on their actual garbage ideals.

Oh wait.

It still means that.

hahaha. amazing