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[metalmania4evr]

To me, Boogie "defending the people caught in the middle" is either his way of staying out of the racist spot light, or it's tolerance for the sake of tolerance which I'm going to doubt. Even if it was for the sake of tolerance, FUCK TO THE THAT. Racism bad!

 

[innervision961]

Again, what the hell is in the middle of "racist ----?----- not racist"?

 

[John Rabbit]

Again, what the hell is in the middle of "racist ----?----- not racist"?

 

[13ruce]

It was on tv here in the Netherlands today.
So news/media is covering it.

Hopefully it leads to some punishments.

 

[Ben Morales]

I remember him citing the Bechdel test in regards to games and pissing off a lot of people in the comments.

Pretty nice feeling to see the list of decent gamer Youtubers is decently big.

Mark Brown
Hbomberguy
Errant Signal/ Campster
Hyperbithero (posts here)
Easy Allies
Retsupurae
Joseph Anderson
Shaun and Jen
Kinda Funny
What's Good Games
Kim Justice
Writing on Games
MrBtongue
Cool Ghosts
Destiny (*Has problematic language, but spends enough time debating the Youtube far-right to be potentially worth viewing)
Angry Joe
Jim Sterling
PeanutButterGamer
Jirard (the completionist)
Continue
Happy Video Game Nerd /Derek Alexander
Extra Credits
Fredrik Knudsen
TieTuesday
Giant Bomb
Waypoint
Polygon
Noah Caldwell Gervais
Clemps
Kim Justice
Super Bunny Hop
Super Best Friends

I would add John Wolfe (formerly HarshlyCritical) to this list. Excellent channel with LPs of indie horror games mostly.

 

[Box of Kittens]

I feel like Boogie is very good at projecting a nice guy persona, which tends to get him the benefit of the doubt when he really hasn't earned it. I'm not giving him a pass on normalizing all the worst aspects of gaming culture just because he occasionally compliments Anita Sarkeesian.

 

[MUnited83]

Didn't he like vow to stop making racist remarks after charlottesville

He vowed to stop Jew jokes, and then took like a week until he was making Hitler jokes again.

 

[Gleethor]

I agree. That way of thinking belongs in a museum. 😎

👏👏👏

 

[LiK]

I would add John Wolfe (formerly HarshlyCritical) to this list. Excellent channel with LPs of indie horror games mostly.

Totally. He's a good guy too. Been watching him for a few years.

 

[Sou Da]

A side thought, real telling that PDP was almost universally reviled by the "core" gaming community until he was outed as racist.

 

[Arion]

He's homophobic.

I doubt it. He is friends with Sky Williams.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I remember him citing the Bechdel test in regards to games and pissing off a lot of people in the comments.

Pretty nice feeling to see the list of decent gamer Youtubers is decently big.

Mark Brown
Hbomberguy
Errant Signal/ Campster
Hyperbithero (posts here)
Easy Allies
Retsupurae
Joseph Anderson
Shaun and Jen
Kinda Funny
What's Good Games
Kim Justice
Writing on Games
MrBtongue
Cool Ghosts
Destiny (*Has problematic language, but spends enough time debating the Youtube far-right to be potentially worth viewing)
Angry Joe
Jim Sterling
PeanutButterGamer
Jirard (the completionist)
Continue
Happy Video Game Nerd /Derek Alexander
Extra Credits
Fredrik Knudsen
TieTuesday
Giant Bomb
Waypoint
Polygon
Noah Caldwell Gervais
Clemps
Kim Justice
Super Bunny Hop
Super Best Friends

ProJared
penguinz0
Game Grumps

 

[yukimeans_snow]

I've only discovered Dunkey recently. What was the controversy?

 

[Disgraced]

PewDiePrick

 

[Wallach]

Again, what the hell is in the middle of "racist ----?----- not racist"?

the white moderate, aka the racist's trustworthy shield for as long as racists have needed one

 

[Gotdatmoney]

There isn't even a middle. What is there?

"I think saying someone is a fucking nigger is fine in certain situations"

VS

"You shouldn't ever call anyone a fucking nigger nor even say that ever for any reason"

This is really not a hard thing to pick sides. What is the middle?

 

[Gleethor]

A side thought, real telling that PDP was almost universally reviled by the "core" gaming community until he was outed as racist.

Seriously. I thought all of the serious business gamers already hated this dude. How noble of them to stand up for him in the name of free speech....🤔

 

[Diprosalic]

I doubt it. He is friends with Sky Williams.

I don't know this Donkey guy but being friends with a gay person doesn't mean you're not homophobic.

 

[afroguy10]

PDP is a douche and I'd like to think this'll do it but I've got a feeling it won't.

What about Game Grumps? Arin and Dan seem like good guys, some of their patter can be pretty close to the bone and I remember Arin retweeting some anti-JonTron stuff back when Jon outed himself as an arsehole.

Have they done anything that'll make me stop watching them?

 

[Imp the Dimp]

The Double Toasted guys already made a video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqoGEr2hW7Y&t=0s

This was great. That kid's attitude was puzzling however.

 

[Inyourprime]

I hope this is a fake account, but I doubt it.

Looks like a real account to me. It's getting harder to tell on twitter though.

Oh... and heh he retweeted Secular Talk. That's all I need to know.

 

[Nepenthe]

Put DashieXP on the list of good people too. He curses and screams a lot, but racial slurs don't fall out of his mouth, and in general he's a good dude.

There isn't even a middle. What is there?

"I think saying someone is a fucking nigger is fine in certain situations"

VS

"You shouldn't ever call anyone a fucking nigger nor even say that ever for any reason"

This is really not a hard thing to pick sides. What is the middle?

"Sometimes saying nigger is fine." Obviously.

 

[ds8k]

You seem to have forgotten Dunkey, which is the Youtube gaming channel with the most worth.

Honestly he's starting to go downhill for me. In his most recent video he calls Bayonetta a whore completely at random.

 

[wandering]

A side thought, real telling that PDP was almost universally reviled by the "core" gaming community until he was outed as racist.

That's a really good point. It wasn't that long ago that he was shunned by most for pandering to the lowest common denominator, but now he's suddenly the patron saint.

 

[Stat!]

Gotta bring up Northernlion and the NLSS crew again.

They are extremely funny and entertaining

I've never heard anything bad about them.

I really hope no one can prove me wrong because they keep me going.

Yes, love Northernlion and the NLSS crew.

I am scanning this thread CTRL + F northernlion and worried that he may pop up negatively.

Glad to hear that crew is good.

 

[Demoli]

Yea they definitely toned down the bully type content. Pretty glad they're good folks.

Honestly, I think there is a strong bias towards Something Awful content producers being decent people.

Here's an updated list.

Mark Brown
Hbomberguy
Errant Signal/ Campster
Hyperbithero (posts here)
Easy Allies
Retsupurae
Joseph Anderson
Shaun and Jen
Kinda Funny
What's Good Games
Kim Justice
Writing on Games
MrBtongue

Have Game Grumps post Jon done anythign controversial at all? Hell, Dan seems like a wholesome dude, have i missed something?

 

[Angelus Errare]

In a way, Boogie annoys me more than Pewdiepie, whether his "Can't we all just get along!?" schtick is genuine, ignorant, both or whatever.

Boogie is really just an example of American society's perspective in general on these kind of topics. "Meet in the middle" is one of America's core ideological tenets.

It's all about shielding people like PDP from the consequences of their actions, instead blaming and attacking those affected.

All boogie has to do now is invoke the one MLK quote he kind of knows (Kudo points if he talks about Daryl the black guy who goes around befriending KKK members), and he's basically filled in all the bingo spots

 

[Mesoian]

There isn't even a middle. What is there?

"I think saying someone is a fucking nigger is fine in certain situations"

VS

"You shouldn't ever call anyone a fucking nigger nor even say that ever for any reason"

This is really not a hard thing to pick sides. What is the middle?

The middle is, "no shut up, stop talking about this."

 

[Kinsei]

I doubt it. He is friends with Sky Williams.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ThoughtfulPlumpSwallowYouWHY

Being friends with a gay person doesn't mean you're not a homophobe.

 

[mas8705]

http://kotaku.com/youtubers-worry-about-blowback-from-new-pewdiepie-contr-1803141329

Fascinating to think that the biggest name in Youtube could also be the same person to bring its destruction due to how much of an idiot he is...

Makes you wonder if there will actually be action being taken against him due to how he has basically made youtube a nightmare for some content creators (or at least by others since considering that Youtube probably won't do much still in spite of all the nonsense that has already been going on up to this point).

 

[Stone Ocean]

Have Game Grumps post Jon done anythign controversial at all? Hell, Dan seems like a wholesome dude, have i missed something?

Nah. Dan is super chill and Arin is pretty outspoken about progressive stuff in a good way.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I doubt it. He is friends with Sky Williams.

having a gay friend doesn't suddenly give you carte blanche to use homophobic slurs

 

[wandering]

Man, having peeked at the discussion on some of reddit's gaming subs makes me even more appreciative of the moderation here...

 

[malboroking]

Man, having peeked at the discussion on some of reddit's gaming subs makes me even more appreciative of the moderation here...

Reddit is the best and worst site on the internet.

 

[Oriel]

People need to stop trying to dig to the center of every issue to discover "the truth" like they're Indiana Goddamn Jones.

That twat isn't anywhere near the centre! His constant defending of racists/Nazis makes him every bit the far right lunatic as PDP and JonTron. Being a centrist isn't about planking one's arse on a fence and accepting fucking fascism as a legitimate POV, all because "balance".

 

[Onivulk]

PDP is a douche and I'd like to think this'll do it but I've got a feeling it won't.

What about Game Grumps? Arin and Dan seem like good guys, some of their patter can be pretty close to the bone and I remember Arin retweeting some anti-JonTron stuff back when Jon outed himself as an arsehole.

Have they done anything that'll make me stop watching them?

Gamegrumps are pretty good. It's never gone on record as to why Arin and Jon seperated but, I think you can reach a conclusion with Jon's behavior. Arin did some slightly racist animation stuff a looong time ago. Dan seems like a perfectly good dude.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

He was in the news earlier this year wasn't he? What was it about again?

 

[AdmiralMikey]

Honestly he's starting to go downhill for me. In his most recent video he calls Bayonetta a whore completely at random.

Well, I would rather take him insulting fictional characters than insulting a real race. However, I will admit that I forgot he was banned from League of Legends for many behavior infractions and liberal use of the word "faggot".

I don't think he actually is homophobic, as he used the word more in the context of humor than in anger, such as PDP used, and he is good friends with noted gay Youtuber Sky. However, I can certainly understand people not wanting to support him or watch his videos because of his previous actions.

 

[Zasa]

Wonder what the big Twitch streamers have said/will say about this. Gonna guess the majority will pull a Boogie.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

"Sometimes saying nigger is fine." Obviously.

I mean, that's basically covered by option 1.

The middle is, "no shut up, stop talking about this."

That's closer. It's the best defense they have. Which is to say they are idiots.

I wish twitch and youtube would just ban their accounts. Like we let you do whatever dumb shit you want but we are sick of yall beimg dumpster fire. Get lost.

 

[Dynasty]

I doubt it. He is friends with Sky Williams.

Not exactly comparable but JonTron was friends with Sky Williams and look what happened there.

Sky William was left emotionally distraught after he found out what JonTron said during the Destiny JonTron debate.

 

[Box of Kittens]

There isn't even a middle. What is there?

"I think saying someone is a fucking nigger is fine in certain situations"

VS

"You shouldn't ever call anyone a fucking nigger nor even say that ever for any reason"

This is really not a hard thing to pick sides. What is the middle?

At this point Boogie's need to insert himself into the imaginary middle of any situation involving racism or sexism has been turned into a meme and he still does it every time.

 

[Messofanego]

Has Dunkey ever commented on things he's said previously? Any sort of apology or anything?

No. Dunkey went on a "faggot" tirade around the same time Pewdiepie did his Nazi shit, back in March 2017.

None of these edgelords ever fess up to an apology, cause they don't want to seem weak or whatever to their other edgelord pals.

 

[Asd202]

It was on tv here in the Netherlands today.
So news/media is covering it.

Hopefully it leads to some punishments.

He may lose sponsors but that's about it. Let's not forget that other youtubers got away with absolutely no punishment for endorsing gambling and not disclosing ownership of the said gambling sites.

 

[DxD]

Some of y'all need Jesus in your life.

With the internet making fun of religion and how science and technology facts>faith and belief, this generation is so full of apathy.
You can accept hard cold knowledge while acknowledging that faith is something else that allows humans to continue to put their heart and belief into it.

Growing up in a religious household allows me to connect with people and showing empathy to them, and being respectful to other and treating them fairly.
Sure, you don't need religion to be a good person.
But it helps due to the routine teaching and the everyday community you are always interacting with.

However, the internet and technology have disconnected us in real life.
Most of us rarely go to Sunday Church or religious events, we stay at home.
We don't even interact with other humans unless they are our family and co-workers. Even if we do interact, we stare at our cellphone most of the time.
Watching Netflix, HBO, NFL, playing games on console/pc and just simply enjoying the digital lifestyle.
So many of ours youths just go online to troll and being respectful to people by creating endless racist memes.

 

[Buckle]

I doubt it. He is friends with Sky Williams.

And I know people that are friends with black people and are still racist as hell. Doesn't really prove a whole lot.

People can be pretty two faced.

 

[wandering]

Jesus rant

what

 

[BiggNife]

Some of y'all need Jesus in your life.

With the internet making fun of religion and how science and technology facts>faith and belief, this generation is so full of apathy.
You can accept hard cold knowledge while acknowledging that faith is something else that allows humans to continue to put their heart and belief into it.

Growing up in a religious household allows me to connect with people and showing empathy to them, and being respectful to other and treating them fairly.
Sure, you don't need religion to be a good person.
But it helps due to the routine teaching and the everyday community you are always interacting with.

However, the internet and technology have disconnected us in real life.
Most of us rarely go to Sunday Church or religious events, we stay at home.
Watching Netflix, HBO, NFL, playing games on console/pc and just simply enjoying the digital lifestyle.
So many of ours youths just go online to troll and being respectful to people by creating endless racist memes.

This...sure is a post

Atheism doesn't turn people into amoral scumbags

 

[gogosox82]

Some of y'all need Jesus in your life.

With the internet making fun of religion and how science and technology facts>faith and belief, this generation is so full of apathy.
You can accept hard cold knowledge while acknowledging that faith is something else that allows humans to continue to put their heart and belief into it.

Growing up in a religious household allows me to connect with people and showing empathy to them, and being respectful to other and treating them fairly.
Sure, you don't need religion to be a good person.
But it helps due to the routine teaching and the everyday community you are always interacting with.

However, the internet and technology have disconnected us in real life.
Most of us rarely go to Sunday Church or religious events, we stay at home.
We don't even interact with other humans unless they are our family and co-workers. Even if we do interact, we stare at our cellphone most of the time.
Watching Netflix, HBO, NFL, playing games on console/pc and just simply enjoying the digital lifestyle.
So many of ours youths just go online to troll and being respectful to people by creating endless racist memes.

What?

 

[YaBish]

I remember him citing the Bechdel test in regards to games and pissing off a lot of people in the comments.

Pretty nice feeling to see the list of decent gamer Youtubers is decently big.

Mark Brown
Hbomberguy
Errant Signal/ Campster
Hyperbithero (posts here)
Easy Allies
Retsupurae
Joseph Anderson
Shaun and Jen
Kinda Funny
What's Good Games
Kim Justice
Writing on Games
MrBtongue
Cool Ghosts
Destiny (*Has problematic language, but spends enough time debating the Youtube far-right to be potentially worth viewing)
Angry Joe
Jim Sterling
PeanutButterGamer
Jirard (the completionist)
Continue
Happy Video Game Nerd /Derek Alexander
Extra Credits
Fredrik Knudsen
TieTuesday
Giant Bomb
Waypoint
Polygon
Noah Caldwell Gervais
Clemps
Kim Justice
Super Bunny Hop
Super Best Friends
ProJared
penguinz0
Game Grumps (post Jon)
John Wolfe

Add on RoosterTeeth/Achievement Hunter.
As much as people call them shills, they can be hilarious and they're all liberal af.