PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream
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Gnome Scat
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I don't, I think that's clear from what I posted. I'm not trying to defend PewDiePie, I don't think he should have said or should be saying that word and that he is absolutely wrong to have said it. What I was saying is that people shouldn't be so quick to accuse people for something as harsh as being an absolute racist for using insensitive and vulgar language. I don't think he should say it ever again and like I said, apologize if he has any shred of dignity. It's just that the sheer amount of outrage this is generating is making a lot of people bandwagon on claims that PewDiePie is an irredeemable racist piece of shit. Maybe he is, and this certainly helps any argument that he is, but it's not definitive. To me, casual use of the word makes someone an ignorant moron, but the amount of causal use the word gets today makes people prone to thinking it's acceptable when it's not. There are many things PewDiePie should be called for saying this, but I believe racist is a stretch. That's all my argument was, not that he's a good person, not that he should be saying this, but just that people shouldn't be so quick to decry him as a racist for the use of a bad word. If that is enough to define him as a racist for some, then I guess there's no argument to be had there. Maybe I've just heard it too much online and have become desensitized and am giving bad people the benefit of the doubt when I shouldn't be. I think attention should be called to this kind of behavior being bad and unwelcome in the gaming community, rather than fuel for the "PewDiePie is a racist" argument.
why is it the left's fault that an entire political movement is fueled entirely by spite?
why is the onus always on the left to change their behavior and not on the side with the abhorrent views?
soundscream
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It is when someone isnt talking like a lunatic, like the examples you provided. Those are not even correct sentences.
LincolnTunnel
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What are we supposed to call somebody who's...y'know... racist?
GHG
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Are we sure he's racist though? I mean it's just locker room talk and we are all allowed to say what we want when we think we are talking in private with our buddies? It happens to all of us.
There's nothing like saying the n-word to let of a little steam with your buddies.
You know the crazy part?
I'm actually wrong, you can totally disregard everything before the word "but".
Btw in my presence (irl if you prefer), it's the only kind of "I'm not...." that is allowed.
Everything else is ground for getting chewed out like you're trying to have a date with my underage girl.
So now calling out racists is the problem. Dat spin
"I'm not trying to defend PewDiePie, but how do you definitively know he's racist? I mean, he only called casually someone a "fucking nigger" after all"
"I'm not trying to defend PewDiePie, but how do you definitively know he's racist? I mean, he only called casually someone a "fucking nigger" after all"
AlexFlame116
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You'd think that after pages and pages of people saying equally dumb or ignorant things with a ban as a result, that others would start thinking, "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't bring my hot take in this thread."
And yet people are still doing it.
And yet people are still doing it.
I would like to hear what some members of the black community think of people like him. I saw a documentary in netflix about a guy changing the mind of members in the kkk using politeness and hearing them and in the same documentary activists from BLM wanted to rip his fucking head off. I wonder what they would think about dudes like this.
Again with the fucking "he was just frustrated/heat of the moment" arguments.
I wish these people would do an experiment to see how dumb they sound...
If i sat you down and told you im going to play you a sound bite of someone playing PUBG that's complete audio and no video and in that audio clip the person says things like "MOTHERFUCKER!.....What an asshole!......Son of a Bitch!" in a very frustrated tone and then i asked you to paint me a picture of what you think that person was experiencing "in the heat of the moment" There'd be a million and one things you'd probably come up with: The person got one-shotted, someone ran out of ammo at an inopportune time, the person they were trying to kill got away, they couldn't heal fast enough, etc. All of these things would make sense because we understand the connotation of those phrases and how they're commonly used, regardless of how appropriate or inappropriate.
Now, under the same circumstances, instead of hearing motherfucker or son of a bitch, you hear someone say "What a fucking nigger!" and i ask you to paint a picture of what just happened, is your response and the first thing that your brain defaults to really going to be "well that's clearly someone who's upset that it took them longer than expected to kill the enemy"?
I wish these people would do an experiment to see how dumb they sound...
If i sat you down and told you im going to play you a sound bite of someone playing PUBG that's complete audio and no video and in that audio clip the person says things like "MOTHERFUCKER!.....What an asshole!......Son of a Bitch!" in a very frustrated tone and then i asked you to paint me a picture of what you think that person was experiencing "in the heat of the moment" There'd be a million and one things you'd probably come up with: The person got one-shotted, someone ran out of ammo at an inopportune time, the person they were trying to kill got away, they couldn't heal fast enough, etc. All of these things would make sense because we understand the connotation of those phrases and how they're commonly used, regardless of how appropriate or inappropriate.
Now, under the same circumstances, instead of hearing motherfucker or son of a bitch, you hear someone say "What a fucking nigger!" and i ask you to paint a picture of what just happened, is your response and the first thing that your brain defaults to really going to be "well that's clearly someone who's upset that it took them longer than expected to kill the enemy"?
It is when someone isnt talking like a lunatic, like the examples you provided. Those are not even correct sentences.
"i'm not racist but pewdiepie is."
The important part is that we actually try to move forward without making every issue us vs. them. There really is no degree of racist when you apply that label or any other. You can't have an open dialogue when it's all about making sure a label sticks.
Interficium
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Just taking after their favorite twitch streamers like DrDisrespect and youtubers like boogie.
It is when someone isnt talking like a lunatic, like the examples you provided. Those are not even correct sentences.
I prefer passing for a lunatic than a racist.
I'll keep forcing people to use broken english if it means they stop trying to insult my intelligence.
GHG
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EVA UNIT 01
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Let it run.
Every time one of these opens up GAF gets a good culling. A blood harvest if you will
JStein0222
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Who cares if he is an iredeemable racist or not? Judge him for his actions, and treat him as such. If he acts like a racist, and then you say "but I don't think he REALLY is!" What are you doing? Why are you defending him, and for what?
It's on him to prove himself otherwise.
Moths to a flame etc
NHarmonic.
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Dude stop, this is really sad.
Basically you're saying "poor pewdiepie so harshly attacked". You're shifting the blame to the people calling him out, and you know, your stance on the racist thing is really weird. What defines a racist are words and actions, pdp already said the word, didn't bother apologizing, and now we know he usually uses it. How much more evidence do you need? Or are you playing this for a specific reason?
Come on.
ZombiePlatypus
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So his argument here is what? That he's not marching with the KKK so he's not really racist? Racist or not is a moot point. Bottom line is using the word simultaneously hurts people while empowering supremacists. That alone is reason enough to be upset over its use.
This thread by extension has been very telling on DrDisrespect, Boogie, and Dunkey.
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(Not trying to say he's not racist. Just that using the Nword is offensive enough on its own, so not sure why there's a chunk of people playing up the "he's not really racist" narrative. That changes nothing. )
redfox088
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I don't under stand the "hard R" argument would he be absolved?
soundscream
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I dont even know what your going on about here?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Seriously, I need to know what we're supposed to call people who regularly exhibit racist behavior if "racist" is too mean.
I need to know what this person has done to earn your compassion and the benefit of the doubt especially in light of his anti-Semitic antics and his antagonism of journalists thereafter.
I need to know why protecting the character of someone who neither knows nor cares about you is more important than acknowledging the adverse effects he has on MILLIONS of children by normalizing racism.
If someone can answer these questions I think we'll be able to wrap this thread up.
I need to know what this person has done to earn your compassion and the benefit of the doubt especially in light of his anti-Semitic antics and his antagonism of journalists thereafter.
I need to know why protecting the character of someone who neither knows nor cares about you is more important than acknowledging the adverse effects he has on MILLIONS of children by normalizing racism.
If someone can answer these questions I think we'll be able to wrap this thread up.
I think you know this to be true.
An offer to the blood God!
That's the thing with racism, you can always explain away any and every instance till you're left with nothing but puff of nothing.
PDP could literally go on camera in a Nazi uniform you would see people excusing his behavior on some BS or other.
Racism is effectively quantum locked.
We all know that racism is bad but in the end we don't even know why because we can't find an example to show someone being racist! Isn't that grand?
David H Wong
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People really struggle with the concept of casual racism, like if the person isn't physically attacking a minority or marching with a torch, then they insist it's mere ignorance or insensitivity. Those are all parts of racism! Shit, MOST racism stems from that - people going out of their way to not give a shit.
So, sure, he probably did just pick up that word from toxic gaming culture years ago, but that's also racism - casually throwing the word around as an edgy insult or whatever. It all falls under the same umbrella.
Some people just have a super narrow idea of what qualifies, and I think there's a reason for it.
Frozenprince
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Poor babies can't handle being called a racist.
It's almost like words are potentially hurtful and cruel.
It's almost like words are potentially hurtful and cruel.
No, he cant say either.
The reason I bring it up is because people are trying to say that the hard r is heard in everyday conversation and in music. That's a blatant lie trying to absolve him.
Define "absolute racist". What more does he have to do to become it? What kind of racist is he right now?
Ah yes, calling them racists is the real problem here.
Any more centrist nuggets of wisdom you wish to drop on us?
Relevant again I guess:
''Those accused of uttering slurs can defend themselves against this charge of racism by insisting that the utterance in question is not a slur. In the case of gaffes or slips, the defense focuses, not on the words, but on the speaker. The speaker is defended as not a racist, but as someone who has uttered racist words without having racist beliefs or intentions. The actual linguistic content of slurs and gaffes can be identical; one commentators slur is anothers gaffe. And both types of metalinguistic discourses defending words in the case of slurs, but speakers in the case of gaffes reproduce racializing stigma, protect White virtue, and advance White privilege by denying the existence of White racism.''
From The Everyday Language of White Racism by Jane H. Hill, p. 88
''Those accused of uttering slurs can defend themselves against this charge of racism by insisting that the utterance in question is not a slur. In the case of gaffes or slips, the defense focuses, not on the words, but on the speaker. The speaker is defended as not a racist, but as someone who has uttered racist words without having racist beliefs or intentions. The actual linguistic content of slurs and gaffes can be identical; one commentators slur is anothers gaffe. And both types of metalinguistic discourses defending words in the case of slurs, but speakers in the case of gaffes reproduce racializing stigma, protect White virtue, and advance White privilege by denying the existence of White racism.''
From The Everyday Language of White Racism by Jane H. Hill, p. 88
I'm saying you're right but I do not tolerate the use of "I'm not racist but..." anywhere near me.
If you start a sentence like that you're just giving me advance warning that you REALLY want my foot up your ass.
A Lv5 racist?
guybrushfreeman
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A person who continually engages in racist speech and behaviour is a racist. It is the only definition the word has.
He is a racist, he has been a rasict and all evidence points to the fact he will continue to be a racist.
He's welcome to change his behaviour if that bothers him but it clearly doesn't
What becomes the barrier of someone officially being racist?
Palette Swap
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Trash post, low profile defense that tries to pass for something else. People name things because that's the primary function of language and helps function. When a duck quacks, they name it a duck. When a water carrying contrarian comes along and starts wondering if the name duck isn't too wide a label, they make fun of them because the contrarian isn't fooling anyone.
piratepwnsninja
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"I don't watch his videos, but what if this racist isn't actually racist enough to be called a racist? That would mean you guys are being mean to the racist I really don't know much about but am defending anyway."
By the way y'all. This whole "you can't just call people racist" isn't new.
Jeff Sessions is a racist. Elizabeth Warren was on the Senate floor reading a letter from Coretta Scott King saying as such. She was silenced and not allowed to finish.
You know what John McCain said? "You can't just call people racist."
That point of view is taught and it's as old as time itself.
Jeff Sessions is a racist. Elizabeth Warren was on the Senate floor reading a letter from Coretta Scott King saying as such. She was silenced and not allowed to finish.
You know what John McCain said? "You can't just call people racist."
That point of view is taught and it's as old as time itself.
soundscream
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Yeah, thats what I was inferring with the picture I posted, didnt know why you were replying to my initial post.
To me, the answer is because we can simply be better. We should be better and should stop playing the back and forth labelmaker game that only serves to devolve into us vs. them which is a game that those involved in spite always win. What I hope for is that you and I can want the same thing but we can disagree. We don't have to toe party lines and ensure we live up to message to get there. That seems a lot more honest to me.
I see exactly the point you're trying to make, but let's not conflate [warranted and accurate descriptions] with [name-calling and hate speech].
Why are people getting so wound up about calling people racist? Its JUST A WORD!
Your posts are starting to get really gross.
I was just people an out if they wanted to use that kind of stuffs.
I also like the example foxbeldin provided.
foxbeldin said:
What is honest is not calling out racist shit for being racist.
A racist is a racist. Call it what it is. End of story. Its not my job to pacify them.
People should just get over it.
Maybe I'm misreading you, but are you saying we should meet in the middle with the racists and talk about the error of their ways in a civilized manner? Gee. I thought we have been doing that and still these pieces of shit turn up. Calling out racists isn't something invented in the 00's or 10's.
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