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[Ghengis Cohen]

:lol

Actually, I believe this brings up a great point. Are gaming websites, especially the ones who have already tried the Revolution contorller, basing their opinions on "next-gen" standards? That is, are they already comparing graphics to what they saw in the MGS 4 trailer, and the control compared to the Revolution controller?

Does a review have to be a compare and contrast? What about a game standing on its own merits?

 

[Koshiro]

Without playing the game I have to agree with this score (in fact it’s too generous.) No matter how nice the little cars look you’re still controlling them by archaically fingering sticks and buttons. If only there was a truly next gen control solution…

:lol :lol :lol

Thread rescued from oblivion.

 

[clearacell]

Does a review have to be a compare and contrast? What about a game standing on its own merits?

There NEEDS to be some set of reference. For example, I believe gaming perfection comes in the tight little package of Tetris. Let's say Nintendo decides to re-release it this year. Do I score it a 10, even knowing that graphics have improved considerably since it was first released, and that many games have added such things as unlockable content and changing skins in the background?

 

[SyNapSe]

There NEEDS to be some set of reference. For example, I believe gaming perfection comes in the tight little package of Tetris. Let's say Nintendo decides to re-release it this year. Do I score it a 10, even knowing that graphics have improved considerably since it was first released, and that many games have added such things as unlockable content and changing skins in the background?

That's why they generally give scores to individual sections.. gameplay, graphics, etc. How each reviewer adds up the total score I have no idea. I'd think something loosely based on the averages including your own personal bias/enjoyment factor

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

There NEEDS to be some set of reference. For example, I believe gaming perfection comes in the tight little package of Tetris. Let's say Nintendo decides to re-release it this year. Do I score it a 10, even knowing that graphics have improved considerably since it was first released, and that many games have added such things as unlockable content and changing skins in the background?

What if a movie studio were to re-release Citizen Kane this year knowing movies have color now and digital sound? Do you still give it four stars?

 

[dorio]

Can someone who has played the final version talk about how much texture/geometry pop up there is and how aliased the game is. Those are the 2 things I care about.

 

[Gek54]

Expected nothing less from you. Can't troll the visuals, do the controls. Can't do the controls, do the control inputs. :lol

Oh I can 'troll' the visuals: When comparing to other games, PGR3 is NOT as sharp. Is it a huge difference? Not really, but its still noticable on the LCD we were playing on, and still slightly dissapointing. Its more or less like having DPII when you have a DTS sound system, if you are an audiophile. 30fps is still 30fps chopfest. I am also not a fan of the blur, night lighting and Nurburgring is just plain weak. Engine noises are no where near as good as the ones they first posted on the website way back when and of course not having a proper TFF wheel is a sorely missed oppertunity.

BUT! PGR3 is still a good for romping around, live should be great fun. The structure is really nice and I love the soundtrack. The cities are absolutely beautiful when they are not blurred out and the cockpit view was done very nicely. Car models are great and day time reflections are stunning. Controls are tight and the physics are an improvement. Got to give it some credit for being a launch game too, shows alot of potential for PGR4. It desevrves a solid 8 imo.

 

[hadareud]

Can someone who has played the final version talk about how much texture/geometry pop up there is and how aliased the game is. Those are the 2 things I care about.

http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=2255501&postcount=161

 

[terrene]

Oh I can 'troll' the visuals: When comparing to other games, PGR3 is NOT as sharp. Is it a huge difference? Not really, but its still noticable on the LCD we were playing on, and still slightly dissapointing. Its more or less like having DPII when you have a DTS sound system, if you are an audiophile. 30fps is still 30fps chopfest. I am also not a fan of the blur, night lighting and Nurburgring is just plain weak. Engine noises are no where near as good as the ones they first posted on the website way back when and of course not having a proper TFF wheel is a sorely missed oppertunity.

BUT! PGR3 is still a good for romping around, live should be great fun. The structure is really nice and I love the soundtrack. The cities are absolutely beautiful when they are not blurred out and the cockpit view was done very nicely. Car models are great and day time reflections are stunning. Controls are tight and the physics are an improvement. Got to give it some credit for being a launch game too, shows alot of potential for PGR4. It desevrves a solid 8 imo.

Ignore list +1. I've had it with your crap.

30fps is automatically a chopfest? Motion blur is bad? You have no idea what you're talking about. Non-withstanding your tardfest comments on the actual game, ("just plain weak" my ass) these perceptions are not reality-based. Something is fucked up inside you, kid. I don't know what you experience when you play video games, but I hope it's not contagious.

 

[Cronox]

This and Kameo are shaking my resolve on getting an Xbox 360. DOA4 and PD:Z are the only other two I'm interested in, and if PD:Z doesn't get some 9's there just isn't enough to justify the purchase. A $600+ purchase is going to need more than 8's for me. After all, I could use the money to finally round out my Dreamcast and GC library, and buy a nice X-arcade stick I've been wanting... And still have money left over too.

 

[dorio]

Oh I can 'troll' the visuals: When comparing to other games, PGR3 is NOT as sharp. Is it a huge difference? Not really, but its still noticable on the LCD we were playing on, and still slightly dissapointing. Its more or less like having DPII when you have a DTS sound system, if you are an audiophile. 30fps is still 30fps chopfest. I am also not a fan of the blur, night lighting and Nurburgring is just plain weak. Engine noises are no where near as good as the ones they first posted on the website way back when and of course not having a proper TFF wheel is a sorely missed oppertunity.

BUT! PGR3 is still a good for romping around, live should be great fun. The structure is really nice and I love the soundtrack. The cities are absolutely beautiful when they are not blurred out and the cockpit view was done very nicely. Car models are great and day time reflections are stunning. Controls are tight and the physics are an improvement. Got to give it some credit for being a launch game too, shows alot of potential for PGR4. It desevrves a solid 8 imo.

Wow, your opinion sucks. The video on xboxyde contradicts almost everything you said especially the 30fps choppy comments and the engine noise.

 

[TheDuce22]

There is no way it was this bad when the first Xbox launched.

 

[dorio]

After all, I could use the money to finally round out my Dreamcast and GC library

?

Yeah, you're definitely not ready for next gen.

 

[DSN2K]

finshed watching the direct Feed!

this game looks fast as hell, graphics while going over the bridge(new York I think) just wow. :O

cant wait to see it in person. I knew Bizarre wouldnt let me down.

 

[dorio]

There is no way it was this bad when the first Xbox launched.

nm

 

[Dr_Cogent]

I'm glad PGR3 is getting good reviews. I may pick it up when I finally get a 360 - whenever the hell that is

 

[Jerkface]

Wow, your opinion sucks. The video on xboxyde contradicts almost everything you said especially the 30fps choppy comments and the engine noise.

Especially the London at night video, holy shit that's beautiful.

 

[Razoric]

There is no way it was this bad when the first Xbox launched.

Nope and it's only going to get worse. Imagine when PS3 comes out and some of those much hyped, much loved games either score too low or too high for certain people's tastes. Revenge trolling, damage control... my god. Not even mentioning the Revolution's release. God help us all when that happens. :lol

 

[terrene]

Loser.

 

[hadareud]

Nope and it's only going to get worse. Imagine when PS3 comes out and some of those much hyped, much loved games either score too low or too high for certain people's tastes. Revenge trolling, damage control... my god. Not even mentioning the Revolution's release. God help us all when that happens. :lol

this is why I love GAF. Constant revenge trolling for revenge trolling and damage control. I am very much looking forward to all 3 console launches

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

8.8 is a much more reasonable score than a 10. Hell, id be willing to accept up to a 9.5 for this title, but that 10 still baffles me...

 

[mrklaw]

Oh I can 'troll' the visuals: When comparing to other games, PGR3 is NOT as sharp. Is it a huge difference? Not really, but its still noticable on the LCD we were playing on, and still slightly dissapointing. Its more or less like having DPII when you have a DTS sound system, if you are an audiophile. 30fps is still 30fps chopfest. I am also not a fan of the blur, night lighting and Nurburgring is just plain weak. Engine noises are no where near as good as the ones they first posted on the website way back when and of course not having a proper TFF wheel is a sorely missed oppertunity.

BUT! PGR3 is still a good for romping around, live should be great fun. The structure is really nice and I love the soundtrack. The cities are absolutely beautiful when they are not blurred out and the cockpit view was done very nicely. Car models are great and day time reflections are stunning. Controls are tight and the physics are an improvement. Got to give it some credit for being a launch game too, shows alot of potential for PGR4. It desevrves a solid 8 imo.

nice post, fuck the haters. You knock it for doing things you personally find disappointing, yet praise what it is - a fun racing game that really comes to life on LIVE with good players.

I loved PGR2, but at the end of the day, it is just a pretty racing game. It doesn't break new ground.

 

[super-heated plasma]

4.5 out of 5

Project Gotham Racing 3 is nearly everything I expected a 360 game to be. It has amazing graphics, fantastic game play and introduces some new elements to gaming that you never would have imagined.


kotaku

 

[hadareud]

nice post, fuck the haters. You knock it for doing things you personally find disappointing, yet praise what it is - a fun racing game that really comes to life on LIVE with good players.

I loved PGR2, but at the end of the day, it is just a pretty racing game. It doesn't break new ground.

Which racing game does break new ground then? This would really interest me.

I don't know what people are expecting - it's still a racing game, with neat new features and by the looks of it improved handling and definetely much improved graphics and sound.

I don't know why this should be under heavier scrutiny than current gen games - same with the sports titels that scored very low so far.

Wtf do people expect. Madden, Fifa, NBA 2k6, NBA Live, NHL 2k6 were always only gonna be "the same game" as the current gen versions with prettier graphics and more animations slapped on. How this should score any lower than the current gen counterparts is beyond me - but there you go.

 

[mrklaw]

Which racing game does break new ground then? This would really interest me.
.

I could argue Burnout, but thats another matter.

Maybe no racing games do. Maybe no racing games should get a 10? There isn't anything wrong with that. Maybe PGR3 is the pinnacle of half sim/half arcade racers right now, and it still doesn't deserve a 10.

I know I had huge fun with PGR2, and PGR3 is the main reason for me getting a 360 at launch.

 

[SkinSider]

Please explain the joke. Is it a Revolution reference or a DFP one? Either way, I'm not sensing the funny.

He's saying a game he's never played would be better using a controller he's never touched. It is a true GAF classic.


Good luck driving your car with a conductor's baton...

 

[Amir0x]

I could argue Burnout, but thats another matter.

Maybe no racing games do. Maybe no racing games should get a 10? There isn't anything wrong with that. Maybe PGR3 is the pinnacle of half sim/half arcade racers right now, and it still doesn't deserve a 10.

I know I had huge fun with PGR2, and PGR3 is the main reason for me getting a 360 at launch.

if it's the pinnacle of half sim/half arcade at the moment, then it's worth a ten. until the next one comes along that surpasses it. i just don't understand this argument... are you saying no racing game should ever get a 10?

10 doesn't mean perfect
10 means, in this case, 'genius'

 

[Kabuki Waq]

if PGR3 is more like PGR2.75. Then wtf was GT4? 3.01?

 

[Amir0x]

if PGR3 is more like PGR2.75. Then wtf was GT4? 3.01?

on the same system

 

[Liquid]

GT4 was an expansion pack. no online play AM I RITE?

 

[Kabuki Waq]

on the same system

still was supposedly full blown sequel.


From what i played of PGR3 it definately look a GEN above every current Gen racer. The in car view alone is worth the price of the game.

 

[Amir0x]

still was supposedly full blown sequel.

Indeed, and what a phenomenal sequel it was. Just like, hey, this score indicates PGR3 is

 

[racerx77]

You know, the arguing in this thread about review scores proves a point that- A review is nothing more than an opinion.
Play the game and form your own.

 

[hadareud]

You know, the arguing in this thread about review scores proves a point that- A review is nothing more than an opinion.
Play the game and form your own.

Who the fuck still plays videogames? It's the reviews and sales charts that count

 

[thorns]

some really nice videos by blim here:
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2309_en.html

 

[Raiden]

some really nice videos by blim here:
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2309_en.html

Djezus christ the game sounds as amazing as it looks.

 

[Willy Wanka]

some really nice videos by blim here:
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2309_en.html

Holy shit. I reiterate that I won't be having music in the background while playing this. The engine sounds are fucking incredible.

 

[Fuma]

Yeah I cant stop watching the 720p intro. Stunning! The engine noise in New York was fantastic as well.

 

[Willy Wanka]

Yeah I cant stop watching the 720p intro. Stunning! The engine noise in New York was fantastic as well.

Yeah the New York vid was the main one I was talking about. Really nice.

 

[FiRez]

"It's unmistakably similar in almost every way to PGR2. It feels like PGR 2.5, or maybe PGR 2.75, and that's fine".

DON'T FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN

in other news:

WOOT THE BEST ARCADE RACING SERIES IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Flo_Evans]

I would tend to listen to Gek's opinion on a racing game (as long is it's not a motorcycle one above just about anyone else on this board, let alone 'proffesional' reviewers.

I can't give a 30fps racer with no FF wheel a perfect score. I will concede that is is not really a sim though so the framerate and FF wheel are not as important.....9.9?

 

[isamu]

bah! just change it to DVD or something

you all must see PGR3 direct feed. here. it is ... beautiful.

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145585&did=1

amazing stuff.

Whoah, is that our very own EviLore in the first vid with the two gentlemen? Cool, I didn't know you worked for 1Up EviLore

 

[truffleshuffle83]

30 fps or not , its mine

 

[GhaleonEB]

Oh I can 'troll' the visuals: When comparing to other games, PGR3 is NOT as sharp. Is it a huge difference? Not really, but its still noticable on the LCD we were playing on, and still slightly dissapointing. Its more or less like having DPII when you have a DTS sound system, if you are an audiophile. 30fps is still 30fps chopfest. I am also not a fan of the blur, night lighting and Nurburgring is just plain weak. Engine noises are no where near as good as the ones they first posted on the website way back when and of course not having a proper TFF wheel is a sorely missed oppertunity.

BUT! PGR3 is still a good for romping around, live should be great fun. The structure is really nice and I love the soundtrack. The cities are absolutely beautiful when they are not blurred out and the cockpit view was done very nicely. Car models are great and day time reflections are stunning. Controls are tight and the physics are an improvement. Got to give it some credit for being a launch game too, shows alot of potential for PGR4. It desevrves a solid 8 imo.

Your response has insipred me.

Spoiler

To add you to my ignore list! Woo!

 

[Raiden]

30 fps or not , its mine

Have you tried running it on your Xbox?

 

[truffleshuffle83]

:lol no. but im giving it a 10 pgr2.5 my ass

 

[FightyF]

Hey that was the pic that was first shown of the game...remember the whole viral marketing thingy?

 

[Raiden]

Yeah, with the lights having the shape of the number "3" and everybody was like wowzor z0mg!

 

[terrene]

Without playing the game I have to agree with this score (in fact it’s too generous.) No matter how nice the little cars look you’re still controlling them by archaically fingering sticks and buttons. If only there was a truly next gen control solution…

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Spoiler

Almost hate to, but have to ignore list +1 you too. Keep up the funny, tho!

 

[Slurpy]

Your response has insipred me.

Spoiler

To add you to my ignore list! Woo!

What is incredibly wrong with what he said, so that you need to ignore him? He has the game, and gave both positive and negative aspects. What is the problem?