Spencer is either ignorant about his own policy or he straight up lying.
They're expensive to get now for him so no.
They're expensive to get now for him so no.
Phil Spencer Discusses Why FFXIV Isn't on Xbox (Contradictions?)
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That wouldn't make sense, since Japan is a huge part of FFXIV.
EDIT: And Europe too.
The "Don't hate the player, hate the game" perspective is interesting, but the reality is that Phil isn't employee #83,479 at Microsoft. Being the head of Xbox means that he has a lot of power and influence in the way the Xbox business runs. If he actually disliked third-party exclusives then he would not invest in third-party exclusives for the Xbox One.
Imperfected
Member
The "no-crossplay" policy is dumber now than it ever was before. Back when the 360 was doing well and X-Box Live was doing phenomenally, having a closed garden meant you had to go to the 360 to be able to play with your friends. That was a major driver of adoption of the system, especially around the time Halo 3 launched.
Now? The walled garden means if you buy an XB1 you most likely can't play with your friends, which is just one more reason not to buy one. The policy's become a liability, even before you consider the fact it's actually cost the console potential game releases, and it's a problem that grows each and every day the sales disparity does.
I mean, it's dead simple: if you can't play with your friends who own a different system, most people with any interest in online play buy the system more of their friends own. From a purely statistical basis, that's usually not going to be the XB1.
Now? The walled garden means if you buy an XB1 you most likely can't play with your friends, which is just one more reason not to buy one. The policy's become a liability, even before you consider the fact it's actually cost the console potential game releases, and it's a problem that grows each and every day the sales disparity does.
I mean, it's dead simple: if you can't play with your friends who own a different system, most people with any interest in online play buy the system more of their friends own. From a purely statistical basis, that's usually not going to be the XB1.
GinoFelino
Member
Seriously though. Game is two years old at this point, the original is five years old.
I don't think Spencer has any fucking clue of the very specific technical reason why the game didn't come to Xbox five/two years ago and just assumed it was because of third party deals.
Acquiescence
Member
This is actually the first time I've heard of Microsoft having a strict 'no cross-platform play' policy. Didn't even know it existed until now. Huh.
stop telling porkies phil
Imperfected
Member
The prior Final Fantasy online game (XI) was actually one of the few exceptions to the policy on 360, supposedly as part of a deal that brought FFXIII to the system. The only other exception I can think of immediately was Shadowrun, which was a license owned by Microsoft being published by them.
Rising_Hei
Member
It was pretty clear that they didn't allow it if other consoles were involved, that's why we can't have nice things between consoles
Even if that was true, it's not Phil's job to have assumptions, but information and fact when talking to gamers. I don't mind bending the truth for marketing when it needs to be, but Final Fantasy XIV is currently the most popular console MMO. He doesn't know this and why it's not on Xbox One... why?
I'm not buying that.
Prototype Viktor
Member
didn't the recent patch to PS4 remove PC/PS4 cross play or did i hear that wrongly a few days ago
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Wat. MS is swimming in third party support. The Xb1 isn't the Wii U.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
He's the CEO. It's his business to know.
Acquiescence
Member
It's like I'm on 4chan but worse since these people might actually be serious.
This isn't the first time it's happened either. Dude needs to make a choice. Talking shit about us on other sites is just shady.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Spencer caught blowing hot air?
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. He's always been such a straight shooter, I'm devastated by this shocking turn of events...
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. He's always been such a straight shooter, I'm devastated by this shocking turn of events...
GinoFelino
Member
That's up for debate, but he's also just a guy that can misremember stuff. I think it's very far-fetched to see any ill intention here, and that's coming from someone who generally thinks Xbox can fuck right off.
I think I'll save this pic for the future, just in case...
WordsintheWater
Member
Lol I seriously can't believe he went on twitter to complain about that one comment and then lump everyone that posts here with that, that's just sad. And every time I see someone say something like that I think to myself GAF is not a person, why do people act as if it is?
Fuz
Banned
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He's kind of ridiculous, stating that exclusives are "not something I'm a huge fan of". Maybe he just meant PS4 exclusives.
Ahahahahah holy shit. You win.
Man we need Stathams face over that Britneys fans face 'Leave my Philly alone'
Bless him - :hurts:
Its not what any competent CEO would be expected to do while conducting an interview - they are paid to know, or pay others to remind them before saying something publicly.
ps3ud0 8)
GreatestHits
Member
Wow, I didn't realized how many people get rejected from GAF. That's some grade-A hate right there. Unfortunately they are defending Phil Spencer, so I can't really sympathize with them.
The dude is a shill, I'm sorry that a lot of people here point that out. I don't feel anyone has embellished much besides me saying the dude spouts nothing but lies. It's obviously an exaggeration but he's the head of Xbox and quite a squirrely guy. If he was honest and didn't try to spin everything, he wouldn't have that reputation here or elsewhere
The dude is a shill, I'm sorry that a lot of people here point that out. I don't feel anyone has embellished much besides me saying the dude spouts nothing but lies. It's obviously an exaggeration but he's the head of Xbox and quite a squirrely guy. If he was honest and didn't try to spin everything, he wouldn't have that reputation here or elsewhere
GinoFelino
Member
Wow, you got me there.
It's also the only console MMO that isn't shit, so that's not saying much. It's a dumb move on his part to be misinformed, but that's all he is imo. To see any ill intention here is, for lack of a better term, Gamergate-like.
Haha! That is true.
Well, one has to wonder why his predecessors didn't try to lock deals down before he came in, or if they did and just screw it up? I'm inclined to say the latter, especially since this game was a thing before he took over, along with other marketing deals.
I dunno if they're working on cross-platform play, but if he has any kind of foresight I have to imagine they are.
Isn't that saying quite a lot? That not only is it a popular console MMO, but also that it's good?
That's completely ridiculous. You're comparing people who are judging Phils stance on third-party deals to people sending death threats to women.
GinoFelino
Member
Well, yeah. Microsoft a couple years ago never would have come onstage at an iPad event to present their new Office apps, for example. The company used to be way more protective, and wouldn't allow something like cross-platform play.
If FF16 was announced and it required MS to allow cross-platform play, I think they'd make the right call these days. They didn't back then, and that's why they missed out on FF14.
The door is still open on FFXIV. Yoshida is waiting for Phil Spencer.
GinoFelino
Member
Nah, Phil is being a major hypocrite regarding third-party deals. I'm talking about seeing ill intention and conspiracy where there is none. Phil is a hypocrite talking about these deals, but I genuinely believe he just misremembered what happened with FF14. This is not some evil genius deliberately spreading misinformation.
GinoFelino
Member
Is that true, was this talked about recently? Do you have a source on that? I think the release of Heavensward would have been an opportune time for Xbox to join the fun, so I think the ship has sailed on FF14 coming to anything new anymore.
Phil was the games man before getting the top job. He might not have been able to convince his bosses but his job was all about the games. I think he clearly knows.
However, he says stuff which gamers want to hear and same goes for stuff they don't want to hear. Should we hope for more honesty like they don't support cross platform play outside of our their Eco system, absolutely. Simple answer. Don't know why he doesn't say that, maybe fears not leaving his options open.
From dualshockers, it's a banned site so piece it together yourself.
/2015/08/07/final-fantasy-xiv-xbox-one-port-still-being-negotiated-nintendo-nx-might-be-negotiated-in-the-future/
Or use http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xiv-could-still-come-to-xbox-one-possibly-nx-300873.phtml
Grimgrillz
Banned
+1
Really... so Yoshida is talkng with who this past year in order to get FFXIV on X1.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/129...ne-after-all-yoshida-confirms-microsoft-talks
GinoFelino
Member
Ah right. So basically, Microsofts stance on true cross platform play hasn't changed and Yoshida last spoke on the subject when the ps4 port released. I hardly think the supposed negotiations are a priority for anyone at this point.
poodaddy
Gold Member
Stathams always seemed so calm and likeable man, what got his knickers so twisted? I don't think anyone in here are being fanboys, and I just read the whole thread, so whys drama heatin up? On topic, Phil lied, but I don't know if it would of looked any better to tell the truth. PR can be a tricky tight rope sometimes. Microsoft just needs to learn to play a little nicer with the competition man, cross platform play is a win win and there's no reason not to have it, at least for MMOs and fighting games.
Statham blocked me on twitter.... I don't think I've ever followed him or interacted with him on twitter before.
THE SALT.
THE SALT IS REAL.
Not even numbers and charts can melt his outer layers :'(
Exactly! But Phil says it's third-party dealing when it clearly isn't. That's the whole point. He knows FFIV is a thing, but this statement...
So if we say anything bad about Phil here, Statham will whine and bitch on twitter?? Why not do the whining and bitching here??
djblackice
Member
Because he's a coward and would prefer the passive aggressive route.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
He's a fucking CEO. You don't say shit unless you're sure about it when you have a billion dollar company behind you. He fucked up in this interview.
