Kagey K
Banned
I don't think even he believes his own bullshit.
I don't even anymore
I don't think even he believes his own bullshit.
I don't even anymore
Well they both do that, even purchasing individual studios. This generation, MS just took it a step further by purchasing full publishers and their IPs. We shouldn't forget how Microsoft was making lots of exclusivity deals and doing timed exclusive stuff during the X360 era. Sony double-downed on it during the PS4 era. I am sure they would have done so with the PS3 gen if they could, but they had to invest internally. I thought they started with the PS2 and GTA3 but most of us know now that Rockstar went to MS first for GTA3 exclusivity and were rejected.That’s the other thing. It’s hard to feel bad for Sony who just loves dropping off a bag of cash and keeping things off other platforms. I wish neither of them were buying up established devs and would just agree to stop the moneyhats and timed exclusives. It benefits nobody.
His goal is to make COD exclusive but his PR is "Choice?!"
Even if COD is made exclusively to Xbox, so what? Are exclusives suddenly a bad thing now? Haven't console manufactures been doing this for decades by this point? Sony also literally just bought out Bungie, how is that different?
He never said his goal is to make COD exclusive. He said today again, and very clearly, that they will continue releasing the future COD games on PlayStation and (this part they didn't specified it until today) that they will do it on day one and did mention again (they did it in the acquisition SEC filing) Minecraft as example.
Their main goals with the acquisitions is to secure content for GP and in game subs yes, to make it exclusive for game subs. But not console exclusive, they plan to continue selling their biggest existing IPs in rival consoles as multiplatform releases.
$500 million for Seinfield.
Seinfeld makes billions in syndication. Both Seinfeld and Larry David make $400 million each by themselves from every syndication cycle. $500 million for multiple years is really not that bad of a deal.This only confirms Netflix is run by morons.
I really dont see why this is different from Starfield. One was a 7.5 billion purchase, the other is $70 billion. Both were made to bring more EXCLUSIVE content to Xbox. Microsoft makes billions in profits every year. like $50 billion last year. They dont need the pitiful $2 billion in profits Activision/Blizzard generates every year. That purchase will pay off in 35 years. It's not about adding revenue or adding profits to their portfolio. The purchase is about getting CoD and ALL the cod users to come to the Xbox ecosystem. You call the starfield non-believers retarded but you are literally doing the same thing. No one is buying MS's repeated PR claims. Not Sony, not the authorities. Just you.
The only way I can see CoD coming to PS5 is if MS holds it hostage until Sony allows Gamepass on Playstation which they wont and thats why you are seeing Sony fight this in court. No one is that gullible. No one believes they are buying THE biggest franchise EVER to offer games more choice. They are doing it to win back all the 360 casual COD gamers who left them in the PS4 era. Thats it. Thats the end game. Everything is else is lies to get this through the courts and regulatory bodies.
It wont be the near future. Sony supposedly has marketing rights for the next 2-3 CoDs. This is about what they will do after that contract expires.Nah I really doubt they pull it off PS completely. I think they will try a death by a million cuts strategy. Obviously they will take over marketing and be screaming from the rooftops that’s it’s free with gamepass. Play the campaign a week early on gamepass. Exclusive DLC for xbox. They will get creative Im sure. Pulling it off PS completely in the the near future would just make them look like they’re full of shit and be such bad PR.
It will be on Playstation for a very long time. Pulling it just let's another 3rd party game take its place killing the value of COD. It's value is to have it on gamepass day 1 and special promotions like exclusive modes or early access.It wont be the near future. Sony supposedly has marketing rights for the next 2-3 CoDs. This is about what they will do after that contract expires.
Like I said above. If putting in on gamepass was their only priority they couldve simply paid for it. Sony cant block it forever and MS can clearly afford to outbid Sony.It will be on Playstation for a very long time. Pulling it just let's another 3rd party game take its place killing the value of COD. It's value is to have it on gamepass day 1 and special promotions like exclusive modes or early access.
This is an interesting point. It also ignores that MS isn't even the biggest player in this space. Even taking Bethesda the main games that have since been released from Bethesda have been PS exclusives.Everything's fine with other companies paying to lock up exclusives though
This is a business and leaving money on the table not releasing CoD on PS5 for the foreseeable future doesn't make sense. They are offering a value proposition via GamePass, and the more IP you add to that the more reasons to not buy a PS5 in the first place.I really dont see why this is different from Starfield. One was a 7.5 billion purchase, the other is $70 billion. Both were made to bring more EXCLUSIVE content to Xbox. Microsoft makes billions in profits every year. like $50 billion last year. They dont need the pitiful $2 billion in profits Activision/Blizzard generates every year. That purchase will pay off in 35 years. It's not about adding revenue or adding profits to their portfolio. The purchase is about getting CoD and ALL the cod users to come to the Xbox ecosystem. You call the starfield non-believers retarded but you are literally doing the same thing. No one is buying MS's repeated PR claims. Not Sony, not the authorities. Just you.
The only way I can see CoD coming to PS5 is if MS holds it hostage until Sony allows Gamepass on Playstation which they wont and thats why you are seeing Sony fight this in court. No one is that gullible. No one believes they are buying THE biggest franchise EVER to offer games more choice. They are doing it to win back all the 360 casual COD gamers who left them in the PS4 era. Thats it. Thats the end game. Everything is else is lies to get this through the courts and regulatory bodies.
With regard to Starfield I've never seen anything official that the game was even planned for PlayStation at all. It wasn't surprising that Deathloop was a PS5 exclusive but Starfield being an Xbox exclusive is a sign of something sinister. Interesting to see how this all plays out.
You're wrong there, because an independent publisher can easily be bribed by a certain Japanese company. That is no longer possible as soon as the publisher belongs to MS.Shit i thought that an independent publisher/dev would allow players more choices, have a larger audience....
Man I hate these arguments.That’s the other thing. It’s hard to feel bad for Sony who just loves dropping off a bag of cash and keeping things off other platforms. I wish neither of them were buying up established devs and would just agree to stop the moneyhats and timed exclusives. It benefits nobody.
Man I hate these arguments.
MS needs to drop off bigger bags of cash then. Studios obviously benefit or they would not agree. Studios also need to look at where their games will likely sell best. Depending on the game, its usually PS.
Just like anything else- its a business decision and they need to rate the potential return on that investment.So you would prefer if MS outbid Sony for timed exclusives? I don't understand how you as a customer support this practice. It does nothing for you.
And MS did do that. Sony was negotiating a timed exclusive deal for Starfield then showed up one day and Phil had the keys to the building.
Just like anything else- its a business decision and they need to rate the potential return on that investment.
I have both boxes so I don’t care. I just don’t understand how people can be blind to the fact that both sides weigh the pros and cons of these deals before agreeing.
Slimy to who? The consumer? The consumer isn’t fronting the dev costs of these games and some studios can absolutely use the funds up front to help them float these costs.Nobody is saying that they're not weighing pros and cons. It's a slimy business move and does nothing for you as a customer no matter who is doing it. I also have both boxes and don't really care but I can also acknowledge that it's a shitty practice. Google and Apple benefit from sellling your data, that doesn't make it good for me as a customer.
It will be on Playstation for a very long time. Pulling it just let's another 3rd party game take its place killing the value of COD. It's value is to have it on gamepass day 1 and special promotions like exclusive modes or early access.
Slimy to who? The consumer? The consumer isn’t fronting the dev costs of these games and some studios can absolutely use the funds up front to help them float these costs.
What does selling user data have to do with exclusive deals?
oh please…where did he say that ?
Now the game of the independent multiplatform publisher/dev can be truly available everywhere (where there is GamePass… or it does not exist unless forced), I did not know they were so generous .You're wrong there, because an independent publisher can easily be bribed by a certain Japanese company. That is no longer possible as soon as the publisher belongs to MS.
Oh sure, after Skyrim, Fallout 4, Doom reboot, etc… sold gang busters on consoles and PlayStations too, Starfield and TES VI were not already in development for PS4 (and PS5). This would be delusional, I do not think you even believe that (but it would be quite biased if you).Starfield was only brought up as a PC game until Xbox Brought Zenimax. People were made they kept going around questions about console releases, than they just stopped talking about it until the buyout happened.
Yup.Like I said above. If putting in on gamepass was their only priority they couldve simply paid for it. Sony cant block it forever and MS can clearly afford to outbid Sony.
Good on the UK CMA for seeing through the act and pointing to Microsoft withholding Bethesda games from other platforms.
Phil and Microsoft are looking to defeat their competitors just like any other business is. The problem is that Phil isn’t particularly clever with his deceit. Read his playbook from the other side of town.
So Bungie is the only company Sony bought and is planning to buy in future? Sony is also not going to pay for third-party exclusives anymore either?How is buying Bungie, a studio with one decently successful franchise, different from buying the entirety of Activision and all their very successful franchises, including THE most successful one? Yeah, I wonder.
So Bungie is the only company Sony bought and is planning to buy in future? Sony is also not going to pay for third-party exclusives anymore either?
1st party relationship, basically means they were paying for games to come exclusively to Playstation (see Housemarque, Firesprite, and Bluepoint Games as well). So would it be better if instead of Micosoft outright buying ABK they pay for exclusivity on all titles for the next 10 years and then buy them? Because of the relationship?The only other major-ish studio they've bought recently is Insomniac, and they already had a practically 1st party relationship with them.
1st party relationship, basically means they were paying for games to come exclusively to Playstation (see Housemarque, Firesprite, and Bluepoint Games as well). So would it be better if instead of Micosoft outright buying ABK they pay for exclusivity on all titles for the next 10 years and then buy them? Because of the relationship?
What about third-party exclusives like Kena, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy XVI, Stray, and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (remake)? Are all those just fine because Sony didnt buy the publisher, even though the end result is the exact same for Xbox only gamers?
I'm sorry, I just don't understand all this pearl clutching over something (exclusives) that has been industry standard in forever. Even when it seems the only console game that will really shift numbers (COD) is remaining multiplatform.
So all Microsoft needs to do is get into an agreement with ABK that states that they will be developing all games exclusively for Xbox going forward and then buying them after 10 years of that and it would make it fine?No, Sony were not paying Insomniac to keep their games PS exclusive, they were contracting them to develop games FOR Sony, in franchises owned by Sony (or licensed to them in the case of Spider-Man). That's rather different. Same with Bluepoint and all their remakes of Sony owned games. None of those were ever gonna come to competing platforms.
Yes, Sony has also paid to keep games off other platforms, but we were talking about studios they have acquired.
That’s not a fair comment, Bluepoint were definitely a major studio.The only other major-ish studio they've bought recently is Insomniac, and they already had a practically 1st party relationship with them.
Sure. The amount of money MS would have to cough up would have to be astronomical to the point that it would be likely absurd. ABK makes tons of money of the PS platform and MS would basically need to replace it.So all Microsoft needs to do is get into an agreement with ABK that states that they will be developing all games exclusively for Xbox going forward and then buying them after 10 years of that and it would make it fine?
So all Microsoft needs to do is get into an agreement with ABK that states that they will be developing all games exclusively for Xbox going forward and then buying them after 10 years of that and it would make it fine?
That’s not a fair comment, Bluepoint were definitely a major studio.
Someone should put Phils face on that imageI just realize the meme that was circulating last week.
Bungie seems to be the only one worth mentioning.So Bungie is the only company Sony bought and is planning to buy in future? Sony is also not going to pay for third-party exclusives anymore either?
This is a naive take on the situation. You are making several assumptions here that simply dont need to be made. 1) Sony has a monopoly. Monopoly in what? Good games? Maybe. But if Sony had a monopoly, the top 20 biggest games of last year would all be exclusive. Instead only 1 of them was a PS exclusive. Miles. The rest are all multiplatform. Even MLB The show now. Even first party stuff like Ratchet and Returnal were MIA. Their revenues arent that far apart. $25 vs $15 billion in 2020 with Nintendo around $17 billion. If anything Nintendo has a monopoly in the handheld market.Some of the replies in this thread show just how fanboyish people can be. Sony is a market leader and for 3 of 4 last generations and they have nearly had a monopoly. Only time they stumbled was when releasing a overly expensive console.
Sony this gen has raised prices on hardware and first party games, controllers etc. They also were willing to spend a lot of money to prevent games from the companies ms has purchased from being on xbox.
They dont release games on any other console. Only recently embraced pc (but for who knows how long as this isnt the first time they have changed to focus on pc)
Microsoft now isnt the same company it was under ballmer and gates. They have different goals and a far greater device reach with software. Anyway i find it funny that people cite games being exclusive that sony tried to pay for exclusivity before the made these big purchases.
Activision has certain cod games exclusive to PlayStation. Sony paid for certain Bethesda games to be exclusive. Ms isnt a market leader and realized they dont have to be in order to be profitable ( aka Nintendo). They wont stop selling games on playstation. It would impact being profitable with activision.
Anyway what im getting at is certain people want sony to "run away" with the console market unopposed. That in itself is bad for consumers. More so then any single purchase that could be made.