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Phil Spencer "There are no “red lines” for which Xbox games will come to PlayStation". Still Looking for Acquisitions, Sees Future Growth.

Loomy

Thinks Microaggressions are Real
“To reach new players, we need to be creative and adaptive of new business models, new devices, new ways of access. We’re not going to grow the market with $1,000 consoles.”

lmao
Never miss a chance to take a swipe lol
 
Its Over Basketball GIF by NBA


Game Over. Phil is finally ripping the bandaid off.
 

GHG

Member
You are supposed to follow the leader, not the loser.

Honestly, the worse things get, the more delusional these takes become.

In another thread there's somebody saying that the split S/X model is something other console manufacturers will follow in the future.

In their world everyone is tripping over themselves to copy the platform that is getting out sold by the niche™ Meta Quest.
 
I agree that the XSX could've been designed differently. How was it - XSX is wide and slow, while the PS5 is narrow and fast. Seems like the latter was the best and cheapest approach. But I do think that claiming the XSX is a bad console is meaningless. It has a lot of great features, it's quiet, it's fast and it's small. It's lacking in games though, and that's pretty bad for a gaming console. And that falls on Spencer, in my mind.
To defend the Series S/X further, I will always say that the team got a lot of limitations from Xbox executives. They had to find a way to fight Sony on price and power, while being more limited on the power draw because of the 360 problems. And I am sure that they has less time to create the Series S/X because they had to work on the One X first. For me they failed to entice me to buy one. But many did and good for them. As for people saying it is a bad console, I saw this the same way some people complain about the Switch. True in certain ways, false in others. No need to get angry about it.
 

Fess

Member
Not this, the article not more than 24 hours before this came out from Jez Corden.

The tidbit about a handheld is to tell fans that they're not giving up on hardware even if they really are.

There is no new hardware coming this holiday season and likely not next either.
Haven’t seen that Jez article. What was that about?

Anyhow this is super depressing imo. I’ve already moved to PC and Pro so I’m part of the problem I guess. But this is a slow moving train wreck. I don’t understand how he can say that their business is healthier than ever. If there is no surprise platform unveil of any kind at TGA the brand will be gone within two years, likely faster.
 
Since you only partially quoted, tell me which part is wrong?
The conversation around CoD starts and ends there. They didn't buy it so that you could argue where it sold better. They bought it so that people would be forced to buy their consoles. They failed. The fact that we're here even discussing CoD still being allowed on other consoles is all a waste of time.
It doesn't really matter how much it sold and where to be honest, all that matters is CoD owner/developer, Microsoft, continues to fleece make money from people outside the Xbox ecosystem.

It's going to be very good for them once they start putting CoD on Switch 2.
 

twilo99

Gold Member
What happened to everyone dunking on the pro? A 700 console is too much, unless there is a 1.000 console. Then it's great.

The PS5 "pro" doesn't qualify since it has essential bits of hardware that were designed 5 years ago, which makes it somewhat overpriced.

It's great for Sony's profit margin, not great value proposition for gamers.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
It doesn't really matter how much it sold and where to be honest, all that matters is CoD owner/developer, Microsoft, continues to fleece make money from people outside the Xbox ecosystem.

It's going to be very good for them once they start putting CoD on Switch 2.
That is more of a testament to other platform's success rather than their own.
 

nowhat

Gold Member
It wouldn't be Forza Motorsport though, as it's a duplicate of GT. Nobody would buy FM on PS. But I could see Forza Horizon being ported.
Yeah, I don't want to be discussing the merits of FM vs GT because everyone knows GT is better but Forza Horizon could certainly see an audience on PS. There simply isn't a similar arcade racer available.
 

rm082e

Member
The more successful Xbox is with this strategy the more likely Playstation will follow suit. They are a more traditional company and drag their heels when it comes to change but it will happen at some point. Just a matter of time.

What strategy are you talking about? I just read the whole article and I can't find a single thing he said that indicates they have a vision for the future. It was all positive vibes and fluff - nothing specific.
 
PS6 for all games

Next Xbox for Game Pass

Sounds fine by me, i mean who would have thought that what will become after all the huge studios purchase, but really i don't care, as long as they will keep bringing out games then i don't care if it's exclusives or not.
 

Geometric-Crusher

"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Phil knows his hardware sales has flatlined and its ironic that PS zealots celebrate games going multiplatform yet those PS guys buying those games and literally helping fund more Xbox hardware
I disagree, the Xbox still exists and PS5 consumers by purchasing these games help the Xbox to make its discontinuation official.
 

Elginer

Member
As long as they keep making great hardware, have the better controller, awesome online service and ecosystem with features like game resume and guaranteed backwards compatibility I’ll gladly keep choosing an Xbox console as
My
Main console of choice. Doesn’t hurt to get first party games cheap as balls
 

Topher

Identifies as young
“To reach new players, we need to be creative and adaptive of new business models, new devices, new ways of access. We’re not going to grow the market with $1,000 consoles.”

lmao

The line before that says he is talking about mobile games.

"Spencer also said he’s optimistic about the growth of mobile games."

I would really rather interviews just be transcribed word for word with what was actually said. Feel like we take the writers word on what the context is with these quotes and frankly, I just don't trust them.
 

Kvally

Member
Yeah, I don't want to be discussing the merits of FM vs GT because everyone knows GT is better but Forza Horizon could certainly see an audience on PS. There simply isn't a similar arcade racer available.
I used to be a bigger fan of Forza Motorsport up to FM4. But GT5 and GT7 are my preference now.
 
It doesn't really matter how much it sold and where to be honest, all that matters is CoD owner/developer, Microsoft, continues to fleece make money from people outside the Xbox ecosystem.

It's going to be very good for them once they start putting CoD on Switch 2.

More then that's it's going to be great for the industry as they continue to release their games everywhere this a great time to be a console owner.
 

PaintTinJr

Member
This is not in the same genre as Uncharted.
Really? Nathan is a derivative of the much richer Indiana IP, and I've watched the game preview and it looks like it is a wide-narrow cinematic game the same as UC4. Other than being mostly FPS with occasional 3rd person, rather than mostly 3rd person with occasional FPS, what's so different to put them in different genres?
 

Det

Neo Member


FTC will continue to do nothing

Meanwhile, the new UK government is much more left-wing than the previous one, which almost blocked the purchase.

Apart from the entire EU, which must block future purchases after having already approved purchases worth 70 billion, which reduced competition even further with the Xbox launching everything on the PlayStation
 

Nonehxc

Member
Really? Nathan is a derivative of the much richer Indiana IP, and I've watched the game preview and it looks like it is a wide-narrow cinematic game the same as UC4. Other than being mostly FPS with occasional 3rd person, rather than mostly 3rd person with occasional FPS, what's so different to put them in different genres?
FPS+immersive sim vs Third Person Action Adventure. You may as well bunk them together in the same genre, Adventure, and both have action, but the foundations of both and design are very different.

Civ, Heroes of Might&Magic and StarCraft are Strategy games, but couldn't be more different one from the other.
 
These are his new marching orders from his bosses. The heads of Playstation got the same marching orders in regards to PC.

Sometimes I'm not sure about PS when it comes to their PC strategy. It is very strange. Like why is MLB the show not on there? Why is GT not on there? Some stuff just doesn't make sense to me with the way they are releasing these games. I don't even think PC has a big baseball game and it's already on Xbox.
 
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Killjoy-NL

Member
I transcribed the video and went through it. Not finding what you are referring to. Spencer emphasizes "four games, no promises beyond that". Again, most of us knew that was bullshit.

Here it is if you want to point it out....

I found a post of me with the literal quote from Spencer, back from februari, but I have to find the source of the quote again. It was in relation to Xbox supporting their devs to reach as big of an audience as possible, iirc.

Words of Spencer:

"bring an Xbox game to other platforms, if it makes sense"

Would you say it makes sense to bring underperforming Xbox games to other platforms, like Starfield which has $235M revenue against a production budget of $400M?
I'll get back to you.
 

Det

Neo Member
To defend the Series S/X further, I will always say that the team got a lot of limitations from Xbox executives. They had to find a way to fight Sony on price and power, while being more limited on the power draw because of the 360 problems. And I am sure that they has less time to create the Series S/X because they had to work on the One X first. For me they failed to entice me to buy one. But many did and good for them. As for people saying it is a bad console, I saw this the same way some people complain about the Switch. True in certain ways, false in others. No need to get angry about it.

It was because of Azure

Xbox SX has to function as a generic server also when not being used for games.

High Clock (2.23Ghz) = Desktop GPU
Low clock (1.8Ghz) , cost-benefit consumption = server
 
I'm curious to see how much has COD pushed console sales and gp subscriptions.
UK numbers show COD did not move the needle at all for console

The dilemma for Microsoft is that this generation will be viable for another 7-8 years. Nobody in the industry wants to release a console of 1000$+. There is very little growth within the console space to begin with, especially at this point in the console cycle for Xbox. There is just too much money to be made by being multiplatform

Phil Spencer saying no red line tells me to expect news of PS5 ports of their biggest IP's soon. I don't think Spencer would say that otherwise
 
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Nah, thnx. MS can keep Halo.

Xbox' games library isn't impressive at all.
So why spend a year and a half of your life console warring, I don’t get get it?

You’ve been here since May of last year and your at 6,000 post six thousand posts???!!
Then you proclaim that you don’t want Halo on PlayStation?? What the fuck and to top it off, NOTHING in Xbox’s library is not impressive?

I guess the only question left is who were you before May of 2023….

I want Halo and Gears on PlayStation.
 

Sanepar

Member
Tbh I think MS is right to put their games everywhere. Xbox as a console will never lead this industry and besides that consoles will die soon or later and their business will be gamepass and cloud. My only concern is if gamers get stupid and subscription get dominant so rent will be enforce.
 

sainraja

Member
I disagree. Indiana along with nanite renderer backgrounds and being single player in the Uncharted genre from a quantifiable publisher/developer is 2-3m everyday on PlayStation....so long as it doesn't get the Starfield middling review issues.
I wouldn't be so sure. I use to be one of those, the people that he is describing and eventually I warmed up to FPS games with Resistance and now the Destiny series. But until that happened, I would simply avoid games that adopted FP view, like I avoided the Resident Evil games back then that were FP (e.g. Gun Survivor). If that game was TP, you can bet I would have bought/played it.
 
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