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Pineapple Pizza Mafia |OT| The War On Fruit Pizza
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That's such a blatant move that unless the mafia Is made up of newbies, I doubt it would be approved
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Yes im that fucking dumb, thank you.
hey_monkey
Banned
People who have some 'splainin to do:
BlackBuzzard
WhereAreMahDragonz
Palmer (is driving)
I'm going back to look at Natiko, Swamped, and Sawneeks tonight, but right now, I'm most interested in this three-way so we can resolve it as best we can or get rid of the chaotic element. In the meantime, can the Celebrity thing get explained? Is it this? So it's a mod thing and not someone's move?
BlackBuzzard
WhereAreMahDragonz
Palmer (is driving)
I'm going back to look at Natiko, Swamped, and Sawneeks tonight, but right now, I'm most interested in this three-way so we can resolve it as best we can or get rid of the chaotic element. In the meantime, can the Celebrity thing get explained? Is it this? So it's a mod thing and not someone's move?
I meant to say Swamped here.
Natiko's reaction to your reveal makes me think she's another vanilla.
I still rather lynch Dragonz, but Swamped might be eaiser to get the town on board for.
VOTE:Swamped
why are the first words out of your mouth not an explanation for why you didn't claim earlier in the day
you were literally the first to describe an agenda for SexyFish's death
and, of course, that claim itself is hella sus under those circumstances
This is going to go the election route but I really don't care. If you think I'm fucking stupid enough to risk my claim as scum or neutral, than just turbo me now. There's no logic in it. Last time this happened it was scum pushing town into being retarded, so I'll start with this.
Vote: Dr. Worm
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I think you could probably figure why people wouldn't want to claim..
Also, perpetuating speculation that fuels town's paranoia is mighty suspicious, sir.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Relax. We're just talking here.
hey_monkey
Banned
Sawneeks, you moved your vote to Dragonz after doing your re-read and before her claim. What did you see that made you vote there? If you explained and I missed it, please point me but I wanna know what you know (or think), please please.
RIP SexyFish and welcome Launch! Haven't seen you in forever, welcome back. c:
So, question.
Why didn't you push more against Palmer when he claimed?? If you are ordinary then you'd know that Palmer was making a lie with his claim of being the only Ordinary in the game. Why sweep that aside?
Why. You even stated earlier that you didn't like 30 or BB as options so why did you vote for him? Especially why did you swap over to Dragonz at the last possible second with no reasoning as well??
Same question above to Dragonz applies to you as well.
The fact that yours and Swamped's vote come at the last second to tie up the vote doesn't feel great at all. Why did you swap over to Palmer? Do you trust Dragonz/BB over him?
What did you mean by this? Also why did you swap over to Dragonz instead of sticking on BB? I know this vote was past the deadline and therefore didn't count but I still want to know why you tried to switch.
So, question.
Why didn't you push more against Palmer when he claimed?? If you are ordinary then you'd know that Palmer was making a lie with his claim of being the only Ordinary in the game. Why sweep that aside?
Why. You even stated earlier that you didn't like 30 or BB as options so why did you vote for him? Especially why did you swap over to Dragonz at the last possible second with no reasoning as well??
Same question above to Dragonz applies to you as well.
The fact that yours and Swamped's vote come at the last second to tie up the vote doesn't feel great at all. Why did you swap over to Palmer? Do you trust Dragonz/BB over him?
What did you mean by this? Also why did you swap over to Dragonz instead of sticking on BB? I know this vote was past the deadline and therefore didn't count but I still want to know why you tried to switch.
Honest to God I thought there was a tie between BB and Dragonz. I did not want the end to end fruitlessly, which is why I had to change my vote to Dragonz as I was on BB before. I did not have the vote count in front of me and there were only a few minutes left. I did not even read the claims that Dragonz and BB made. I didn't even see Natiko's vote. I was extremely frustrated with how that ended.
it's a good catch by Natiko (my role uses similar phrasing), but SexyFish's role name should confirm that not everyone uses it
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I find it really unusual that you were making votes without known the count. You. Of all people.
hey_monkey
Banned
I'm gonna quote this and leave it here on my way out to eat dinner. I mean, obviously Dragonz claimed because there were votes building but this was the second of two posts in a row of her believing Palmer (the post right before it said she had "no issues with Palmer's claim).
Why, Dragonz? Why would you believe there are multiple vanilla townies?
I'm going to cook dinner.
Oh, fake edit to Sawneeks:
I tried to switch before I saw BB ALSO claim that shit - or I'd have probably just stayed on him. But I don't trust Dragonz' sudden WAIT I'M ALSO VANILLA TOWN at all. The timing seemed super sketchy. I don't trust BB's either. But they also knew it would put them square in the spotlight so I don't think they're all scum. It's just figuring out who's who.
For the record, I didn't fully get on board with Palmer's claim, either.
I'm sorry but this is the truth. There was no updated count between me voting BB and others suddenly piling on Dragonz. So I had to guess, and there were only 3-4 minutes on the counter. I'm sorry I'm not a vote counting machine.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Honestly i didn't see Dragonz claim before it was too late. At first i didn't even know it was role madness so i saw nothing strange about Palmers claim and after that i just kind of assumed we would have 2 vanilla town folk.
Why i didn't claim earlier i didn't expect to be on the chopping block till i saw the votes right before the day ended. Yes that is my mistake.
I would like to hear from Natiko about his last minute Palmer vote.
Also those votes on Dragonz seemed to come out of nowhere. I understand LL, we were discussing that for about an hour before the deadline, but Saw and 30years also jumped on it and I want to know why. It's because of those last minute votes I thought there was a tie between BB and Dragonz. And since I was the only one of BB I believed it fell on me to break the tie.
It's nice that we have a celebrity.
One thing is that Natiko seemed suspicious of Palmer due to his name I think. He was similarly suspicious of Dragonz too for that reason. I'd like to hear what he thinks today.
Also those votes on Dragonz seemed to come out of nowhere. I understand LL, we were discussing that for about an hour before the deadline, but Saw and 30years also jumped on it and I want to know why. It's because of those last minute votes I thought there was a tie between BB and Dragonz. And since I was the only one of BB I believed it fell on me to break the tie.
It's nice that we have a celebrity.
One thing is that Natiko seemed suspicious of Palmer due to his name I think. He was similarly suspicious of Dragonz too for that reason. I'd like to hear what he thinks today.
BlackBuzzard, can we get your full claim? Unlike Palmer and Dragonz, you haven't given the flavor description for your role. Currently, that fact makes you look the most suspicious of the three claims.
hey_monkey
Banned
I have a question before I bounce, actually, just because I'm not sure how things work. Could the mafia team have learned about SexyFish and then also acted to kill him? Or does that all go down at the same time? That voting power could have been really useful today as we resolve this vanilla town-threeway situation. I know we can't know for sure why someone was targeted but I don't see that much in his posts because he was away due to family stuff.
RIP SexyFish. You seemed great.
RIP SexyFish. You seemed great.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Fine by me
Im the NBSP(?) little ceasars fan
I may not be rboke but i grew up on little ceasars lets say if somebody offered me the superior option i would still not take it i just cant resist that 5$ red and hot deal.
I didn't want my vote to be wasted. Imagine if I had left it on Achors. That would be a scummy thing to do, as it leaves me out of the day end kerfuffle. I needed to make sure there was a lynch so we could get some info. BB, Dragonz and Palmer were leading.
Don't understand your rationale. How would anyone know for sure they were the only vanilla? How would... A vanilla know? They're vanilla. They don't know anything at all. Role madness could easily have a few of these, 3? 4? 5? Way too much uncertainty with this stuff to use it as a filter.
Essentially, during Pokemon Mafia as Scum I 'prod/joke-voted' for someone and could not find any other candidate I was comfortable with so I let that vote become a 'real' vote over time. Dragonz vote for me set off alarm bells that reminded me strongly of that, especially considering her 'joke vote turned real vote' didn't have any set beginning or end for when that transition occurred, just an after-the-fact explanation. It was just a half-hearted 'oh yeah that was there for pressure' when she never pressured me in any way when that vote was active. Felt a lot like trying to come up with an explanation for why she let the vote sit there for so long without doing anything about it. Also falls in line with the feelings I had regarding Natiko for most of Day 1; sitting back and just waiting for things to happen to react to, not going and trying to get those for yourself.
You may have answered this before but what made you vote for BB originally? You had your Acohrs vote so why not stay on who you felt was Scum then go in and vote for someone you didn't feel strongly about?
Fair, I agree with the bolded though. It's extremely unlikely that we have 2 Scum players claim Ordinary right at the end like that.
Despite him claiming the only Ordinary Townie in the entire game? When you are supposedly Ordinary yourself?
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Why not ask Palmer this? because i never assumed to be the only townie.
Monkey, I'm not voting for youyou're coming off as in between Town and scum.
Sky is a bit different, enough for me to want to put my vote down for him
I don't like Oreo's responses to Monkey's questioning. "Between town and scum"? He didn't have a great reason for voting Sky, not in the running, especially at the time when votes were being thrown around.
Then again, Sky's vote on D1 was pretty rubbish too. Joke vote from the beginning of the day. He justified it later, saying that Oreo had only posted fluff.
Sky - how do you feel about 30 and acohrs today? You were scum-reading them.
While I am not certain, I am inclined to think that SexyFish was eliminated by a third party. It was probably either a vigilante or a Serial Killer. The wording Sophia used for Lifeline's ability being triggered is strangely specific: he was handed a Pineapple Pizza. If it was just flavor text, I would dismiss it, but that was in the highlight text. I'm not sure that non-mafia would use pineapple for their killing method.
Furthermore, while I can guess at why scum would target Lifeline, SexyFish seems like a random target. The only logic I can deduce is that someone targeted SexyFish because he was unlikely to be watched or protected. That strikes me as the MO of a serial killer who isn't discriminating about targets, but who is cautious.
Lifeline, can we get some clarification on the wording of what triggered your ability? Was it any night-kill or specifically being targeted by mafia?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Yes, I am vanilla town. The reason I did not counterclaim him is because I was, in fact, worried about the possibility of me being the ONLY vanilla, and the implications that could have for other PR's. It was discussed at length during the day phase, and I decided it would be best to withhold that info just in case, until I absolutely needed to claim.
If I am the only vanilla, then that means scum aren't going to target me, because they're gonna want to get actual PR's out of the way. They unfortunately know now that I'm not worth the kill.
I claimed because even though I don't have a power, I am still town, and I wanted to avoid the mislynch if possible.
They are part of a scum team with BB and Natiko. At least, that is a strong possibilty I am considering based on early Day-1 activity patterns. You will need to give me more time to better explain my reasoning, however.
Since you read both as town, why did you decide on BB over Dragonz?
I explained my reasons above to Monkey.
But I would like to know what made 30 go back to his 'original vote'.
No. The way Night Actions work is they all 'happen' at the same time and the results are given out after everything is taken care of. Unless it's a mechanic besides Night Actions, which the Mod will inform the Players of, all information is given to Players once the actions are said and done. So a Scum Team can't get an Information check before deciding the rest of their actions.
Ask the person who claimed the only Vanilla in the entire game.
My question is if you were ordinary and someone came out and said 'I'm the only Ordinary around! That's me! That makes me practically confirmed Town!" why would you not say anything? Palmer was touting his 'the only Ordinary' claim as a reason for being Town and if you knew that was a lie why not counterclaim or even push for him?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Re: Palmer
I understand that this is role madness, but I am trying to consider all possibilities. What if Palmer isn't lying? What if he actually is vanilla, and we have more than one?
I didn't want to jump on that right away. I wanted to wait and see, and if something came up that PROVED that there is only one, I would have counterclaimed him. But I felt like it was too early to tell, and I even had a post typed up about an hour before the day was up with my claim, but I was like "what if I don't need it? I should still keep this info close to my chest." But I did end up needing it, but it was way too late for it to be of any use and instead caused a lot of confusion, so sorry
I understand that this is role madness, but I am trying to consider all possibilities. What if Palmer isn't lying? What if he actually is vanilla, and we have more than one?
I didn't want to jump on that right away. I wanted to wait and see, and if something came up that PROVED that there is only one, I would have counterclaimed him. But I felt like it was too early to tell, and I even had a post typed up about an hour before the day was up with my claim, but I was like "what if I don't need it? I should still keep this info close to my chest." But I did end up needing it, but it was way too late for it to be of any use and instead caused a lot of confusion, so sorry
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I mean it specifically says that I'm vanilla town so
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I hold Swamped in too high regard to believe she didn't know what the vote count was at any point...
Maybe you should ask whoever targeted me.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
What does it say exactly?
Well, Palmer's entire claim was built on the premise that having only one token vanilla was a common cliche for role madness games. Having multiple vanilla townies, or none for that matter, was always a definite possibility. I am inclined to think that we do have multiple. However, that doesn't rule out the possibility that someone is lying about their claim.
hey_monkey
Banned
And that's the thing about all three of them. It was discussed over several posts about Palmer being maybe the ONLY vanilla townie and whether or not that other page would apply to our meta. We don't know if there's one or several. Three seems a lot out of... what, 20 to start, say 4-5 scum, a neutral or two...? For role madness, anyway. But that's pure speculation on my part because I haven't played in one before.
Though I guess BB missed all that discussion? Which is concerning in its own right, though I suppose townies probably close read more than neutrals or scum.
I want to get this resolved or as resolved as we can but I hope it isn't all we look at this day phase.
Though I guess BB missed all that discussion? Which is concerning in its own right, though I suppose townies probably close read more than neutrals or scum.
I want to get this resolved or as resolved as we can but I hope it isn't all we look at this day phase.
Regarding Swamped: she has not said anything to get me to remove my vote. Her entire voting pattern last day was suspicious. Her reasoning behind everything is also suspicious.
Black Buzzard, Palmer, is this true for you two as well?
Black Buzzard, Palmer, is this true for you two as well?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I think I can see how people MIGHT be confused
BlackBuzzard
Banned
i wont say until i see exactly what palmer has. im fine with unveiling at the same time.
Lifeline, I know you are town. We all know you are town. Any information you can give us will help narrow down possibilities. I can't know who targeted you, but having more info about how your role works might give us a clue on who tried to kill you.
I don't like Burbeting. I went through his posts and found none that felt genuine. His posts reek of low motivation and superficial attempts to get information. I'm quite confused by his posts overall and the logic of some of his later ones. Towards the end of the day, he mainly just pressured Blarg who came out with some system for trying to get people to give reads on each other, placed some concern doubt on it, then moved on. He never even attempted to play along with this system of Blarg's.
Weird.
As I noted earlier, I didn't like the way Burbeting raised an accusation of forced interaction between BlackBuzzard and N, let me go in on his accusation for him, didn't follow up on his own accusation with any elaboration or any attempt to make use of the information he pressed for. He also just sat there while I misunderstood him, which doesn't look at all like he was trying to see if he could get information out of me (since he didn't build on any of it) and instead looks like he was trying to see if I would get myself into hot water (as I am prone to do).
Vote: Burbeting
Weird.
As I noted earlier, I didn't like the way Burbeting raised an accusation of forced interaction between BlackBuzzard and N, let me go in on his accusation for him, didn't follow up on his own accusation with any elaboration or any attempt to make use of the information he pressed for. He also just sat there while I misunderstood him, which doesn't look at all like he was trying to see if he could get information out of me (since he didn't build on any of it) and instead looks like he was trying to see if I would get myself into hot water (as I am prone to do).
Vote: Burbeting
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Obviously I'm not going to quote but everything in my role PM is included in the claim I gave at day end
Dragonz already said her flavor said Vanilla specifically, just tell us if yours does too?
Besides more people believe Palmer than you, you going after Palmer doesn't alleviate their concerns.
Go before him.