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[Palmer_v1]

My justification for the Palmer vote was sprinkled throughout the day in how I mentioned being mildly concerned about it based on something that was not due to a role. I would assume the context of my question at day end would give it away, but to be perfectly clear my concern was due to the role name. For instance, mine is designed like Words Words Words (Words Words Words). WAMD claimed vanilla with a name that was structured similarly. That was enough to push my concerns up a notch so that's where I voted.

Are you seriously using the fucking formatting of your role for scum hunting? This is exactly why quoting them directly is not allowed. It's Sorian style bullshit going against the spirit of the game.

 

[hey_monkey]

I have so much to read through. Can someone quote the specific claims the other vanillas made? I was paraphrasing cause I didn't want to cheat, but it sounds like other people are just flat out quoting their shit?

nah, didn't seem so but I'll get them.

BB:

Im vanilla town i have no powers so in that regard if you lynch me you don't lose much.

Fine by me

Im the NBSP(?) little ceasars fan

I may not be rboke but i grew up on little ceasars lets say if somebody offered me the superior option i would still not take it i just cant resist that 5$ red and hot deal.

Dragonz:

I am THAT PERSON WHO ONLY EATS FROZEN PIZZA (because they're broke)

Flavor has to deal with me liking pizza, but I can only afford the really shitty frozen kind from Kroeger that never heats up all the way.

I'm vanilla. Again. For the second time in a row. Which is why I was interested in Palmer's claim that there may only be one vanilla. Also I'm kinda bored with being vanilla again, tbh, which is why I'm not as fluffy this time around.

 

[Natiko]

Are you seriously using the fucking formatting of your role for scum hunting? This is exactly why quoting them directly is not allowed. It's Sorian style bullshit going against the spirit of the game.

In my seven games on Gafia I have never seen someone warned by a mod for stating their role name or their role. It is only if you quote the full flavor or the entire guidelines of your role that it has been an issue. Maybe you should take a deep breath before you act like an asshole.

 

[SkyOdin]

Lifeline, I do think that there is a fundamentally mistaken assumption underlying your reasoning. I don't mean to imply than any of your specific claims of who is scum or not is wrong, but I think you will make mistakes if you keep making this error.

It isn't scum's mission to make lynches. The goal of scum during the day phase is to be invisible. They don't want to be caught. So long as scum doesn't get caught, all they have to do is sit back and watch town lynch town.

Scum doesn't need to form bandwagons. They don't even need to participate in bandwagons. Their goal is to hide. By assuming that scum is behind every bandwagon, I'm afraid that your efforts will focus on chasing false reads from town trying to scum-hunt.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Are you seriously using the fucking formatting of your role for scum hunting? This is exactly why quoting them directly is not allowed. It's Sorian style bullshit going against the spirit of the game.

I tried this shit my first game, too, but no need to drag poor Sorian's name through the mud.

Look, guys, talking about formatting and flavor is a waste of time. Take it from someone with a unique role title, it's not worth trying to speculate on. The mafia also have a list of role names to pull from that do not correspond to other players. This is a waste of precious discussion time.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

The BB bandwagon at the last half hour of the game was very unnatural and so anyone involved with that is suspect and I really don't understand all the reasoning's behind a BB vote. I also don't understand how such thin reasoning garnered so much support. Reminds me of other bandwagon attempts at the start of Day 1 that didn't really make any sense.

Anyway, I wanted a turbo, but that's not likely to happen. I'll be gone for a while, but I'll leave this here:

Vote: WhereAreMahDragonz

Why do you want a turbo so badly? Just curious

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Lifeline, I do think that there is a fundamentally mistaken assumption underlying your reasoning. I don't mean to imply than any of your specific claims of who is scum or not is wrong, but I think you will make mistakes if you keep making this error.

It isn't scum's mission to make lynches. The goal of scum during the day phase is to be invisible. They don't want to be caught. So long as scum doesn't get caught, all they have to do is sit back and watch town lynch town.

Scum doesn't need to form bandwagons. They don't even need to participate in bandwagons. Their goal is to hide. By assuming that scum is behind every bandwagon, I'm afraid that your efforts will focus on chasing false reads from town trying to scum-hunt.

I disagree with a lot of what you're saying here. For scum, staying invisible isn't enough. They do need to drive the town's efforts a certain direction or they run the risk of getting lynched because there's no one else who looks more suspicious.

Also, they often do need to back a bandwagon to give it momentum. It's hard to quantify exactly what a successful scum should or shouldn't do, and I've seen them do both to try to hide.

 

[SkyOdin]

I tried this shit my first game, too, but no need to drag poor Sorian's name through the mud.

Look, guys, talking about formatting and flavor is a waste of time. Take it from someone with a unique role title, it's not worth trying to speculate on. The mafia also have a list of role names to pull from that do not correspond to other players. This is a waste of precious discussion time.

Agreed.

On that note, I think you have derailed us enough with this line of discussion Black Buzzard. I am still waiting on hearing more of your role claim. You can at least summarize the flavor, I don't give a damn about the specific phrasing.

 

[Sophia]

A reminder that all of GAF's normal rules apply during a mafia game. Please be a bit more civil about language usage, and don't use language or insults that would potentially warrant a ban outside of the game.

That is all, carry on.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Agreed.

On that note, I think you have derailed us enough with this line of discussion Black Buzzard. I am still waiting on hearing more of your role claim. You can at least summarize the flavor, I don't give a damn about the specific phrasing.

I haven't talked about BlackBuzzard all that much. I think you're thinking of someone else.

 

[SkyOdin]

I disagree with a lot of what you're saying here. For scum, staying invisible isn't enough. They do need to drive the town's efforts a certain direction or they run the risk of getting lynched because there's no one else who looks more suspicious.

Also, they often do need to back a bandwagon to give it momentum. It's hard to quantify exactly what a successful scum should or shouldn't do, and I've seen them do both to try to hide.

Fair enough. There is no one way for scum to do things. I do think that scum are more likely to ride a bandwagon on day 1, or just keep their nose out of it entirely. Day 1's vote was confusing enough that scum could have hidden in it in any number of ways.

 

[SkyOdin]

I haven't talked about BlackBuzzard all that much. I think you're thinking of someone else.

The "Agreed" was my response to you. The rest was addressed to Black Buzzard. My apologies for any confusion.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I am THAT PERSON WHO ONLY EATS FROZEN PIZZA (because they're broke)

Flavor has to deal with me liking pizza, but I can only afford the really shitty frozen kind from Kroeger that never heats up all the way.

I'm vanilla. Again. For the second time in a row. Which is why I was interested in Palmer's claim that there may only be one vanilla. Also I'm kinda bored with being vanilla again, tbh, which is why I'm not as fluffy this time around.

How are you not modkilled?

Is that your role name? Palmer's listed role name is what made me suspicious of him. Didn't match the naming convention of mine or now yours.

Laziest kinda bullshit.

Im vanilla town i have no powers so in that regard if you lynch me you don't lose much.

I don't know what to think about these two claims. The fact that they waited so long makes it extremely suspicious to me. I knew there was a chance I was wrong which is why I asked for counter claims. You guys royally fucked Day 1 for me.

Wait, hold on, your role PM said vanilla? Is this game really going full bastard?

I'm starting to wonder if this is truly role madness or not. 3 vanillas? I obviously did not expect that to be possible, so I'm inclined to think there's some bullshit going on. I'd lynch BB before WAMD though.

I also feel like we'd catch a few scum by just voting down the list of people who had votes on me. They saw a chance at a bandwagon and went for it when I wasn't around to defend myself. Does anyone really think Scum Palmer would do anything I did yesterday, or let myself come so close to a lynch?

I said this in Anime and nobody listed, but if you see my flip, remember every single person who has voted for me.


Aside from that, where the fuck is Burb. No vote is some bullshit, and it really feels like he's skating.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

The "Agreed" was my response to you. The rest was addressed to Black Buzzard. My apologies for any confusion.

Oh, I see, there was supposed to be a comma lol

I will say, BlackBuzzard's line of reasoning and questioning so far is reading like a misled townie. He's trying to use some weird reasoning to piece things together, that probably didn't come out of a discussion with mafia cohorts. When I think mafia, I think either coasting or self-assured and well-reasoned; this is neither of those.

 

[Palmer_v1]

If we're full on quoting our role names, which is absolutely cheating IMO, here you go:

You are The Casual Pizza Lover Who Only Has It Once a Month

I am aligned with The Town

The rest I'm paraphrasing. I like pizza but I'm not obsessed with it. I have to keep my weight in check, so I only have it once in a while. That makes me a vanilla townie.

Please mod kill me.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Oh, my worry here is that town is fucked because we don't actually have any true vanilla townies. We may have 3 Named Townies, who instead of sharing generic role, each have a unique ordinary role.

Townie
Townie
T-vanilla.png
Aliases:
Vanilla
Townsperson
Citizen
Alignment:
Pro-town
Role type: not defined
Choice: none
Contents [hide]
A Townie (also known as Citizen, Townsperson, Villager, etc.) is a player with a pro-Town Win Condition. Due to ambiguity, "Townie" has been known to refer to any pro-Town player who has no extraordinary abilities or simply any pro-Town player. Players who have no extraordinary abilities are specifically called Vanilla Townies (abbreviated as VT). The rest of this article is about Vanilla Townies.

Vanilla Townies are defined by having no special abilities beyond being able to post and vote during the Day like everyone else. During the Night they do nothing.

Variations
A Vanilla Townie is by definition powerless. Any alteration causes the role to become classed as a different role entirely.

If a Townie is given a unique name, then it becomes a Named Townie.
If a Townie's ability to post normally is altered, then it becomes a Post Restricted Townie.
If a Townie's ability to vote is handicapped or enhanced, then it becomes something akin to Voteless or a Doublevoter.
If a Townie has any active or passive abilities at all, then it becomes a power role. An exception to this comes if a Vanilla Townie is given a temporary ability by a role like Inventor, in which case it is a Vanilla Townie who happens to have been given an extra ability.
If a Townie's Win Condition is different from the rest of the majority, then it should be considered a Third Party rather than pro-Town.

Sorry that quote is messy but whatever.

 

[Lifeline]

If we're full on quoting our role names, which is absolutely cheating IMO, here you go:

You are The Casual Pizza Lover Who Only Has It Once a Month

I am aligned with The Town

The rest I'm paraphrasing. I like pizza but I'm not obsessed with it. I have to keep my weight in check, so I only have it once in a while. That makes me a vanilla townie.

Please mod kill me.

Don't know if this is frowned upon, but yeah my role name also starts with THE, not THAT. I was just curious what Dragonz would say so I lied and said my role name started with THAT. Obviously nothing definitive since it's just a name, but since I was already leaning on Dragonz being scum or neutral, this adds to it.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Agreed.

On that note, I think you have derailed us enough with this line of discussion Black Buzzard. I am still waiting on hearing more of your role claim. You can at least summarize the flavor, I don't give a damn about the specific phrasing.

I gave you my paraphrased flavor like 1 post after when you asked.

If we're full on quoting our role names, which is absolutely cheating IMO, here you go:

You are The Casual Pizza Lover Who Only Has It Once a Month

I am aligned with The Town

The rest I'm paraphrasing. I like pizza but I'm not obsessed with it. I have to keep my weight in check, so I only have it once in a while. That makes me a vanilla townie.

Please mod kill me.

I am also classed as vanilla townie.

Now im going to bed.

 

[oreomunsta]

Jesus, several pages of posts, and I feel like I got nothing of substance out of it.

Okay, I have a theory here, based on what happened in the night phase.

SexyFish has died. He voted for BB.

For reference, here is a End of day timeline:

hey_monkey: switches Dr. Worm vote to BB vote -> switches to Dragonz vote after voting period ends.

Dr. Worm: Votes for BB (associated BB with Natiko and Monkey as well)

BB: Darryl

Swamped: Doubles down on Achors vote -> Votes for BlackBuzzard (someone Swamped claimed was likely town less than an hour ago, no idea why Dr. Worm and Hey Monkey's reasoning made sense to her at the end of the day, but not when the doc and monkey were complaining about BB the rest of the day) -> Votes for Dragonz (another person Swamped claimed was likely town)

Sexyfish: Votes for BlackBuzzard

People who were here, but didn't vote/change vote: Burb and Issac

I believe that in the other people who voted for BB, who are monkey, worm, and swamped, we definitely have a scum in there.

I posit this because if BB is also scum, it makes sense for at least one scum mate to lightly throw him under the bus, and gain the trust of town by doing so.

Sexy was taken out as a way to take heat off BB.

 

[RetroMG]

Attention, please

Due to it's simple nature, directly quoting your role name and alignment are not considered breaking the Role PM rule. If I say that I'm Captain Jack Sparrow and I'm aligned with the Pirates, that's a role claim, not a Role PM quote. However, no other part of the Role PM should be quoted.

 

[SkyOdin]

I gave you my paraphrased flavor like 1 post after when you asked.



I am also classed as vanilla townie.

Now im going to bed.

Ah, you're right. Sorry about that. I guess the start of this day phase was hectic enough I forgot about that. My bad.

At this point, I think this whole vanilla townie claim stuff is beginning to run its course. I think I should take some time to collect my thoughts from rereading Day 1.

 

[Palmer_v1]

My issue with them being scum comes from it being such a dumb thing for scum to claim D1.

Like they're totally fucked if they are caught doing anything now.

Speaking of which, if anyone has hard evidence from night actions to disprove them, I think it's worth claiming.

The only short term gain to their claims(if scum) is that it circumstantially contradicts the claim of the other top vote candidate(me), but even then it's a crapshoot on whether or not people would believe them over me.

I'd rather go for the people who voted me, and just watch how the vanilla claims perform.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Attention, please

Due to it's simple nature, directly quoting your role name and alignment are not considered breaking the Role PM rule. If I say that I'm Captain Jack Sparrow and I'm aligned with the Pirates, that's a role claim, not a Role PM quote. However, no other part of the Role PM should be quoted.

Who would be in favor of a mass role name claim? So far, neither my name nor WAMD's name actually gives any info about being a power role or not, nor gives any hints to what the powers might be.

 

[hey_monkey]

Who would be in favor of a mass role name claim? So far, neither my name nor WAMD's name actually gives any info about being a power role or not, nor gives any hints to what the powers might be.

Since scum are given fake names to claim, does this help? Real question; it's not something I've seen outside that wild name kerfuffle in Arkham.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Since scum are given fake names to claim, does this help? Real question; it's not something I've seen outside that wild name kerfuffle in Arkham.

It will probably prove that natiko is an idiot and put the whole fucking thing about role names to bed. It may also force the scum into an awkward situation if we have any flavor cops.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

How are you not modkilled?



Laziest kinda bullshit.



I don't know what to think about these two claims. The fact that they waited so long makes it extremely suspicious to me. I knew there was a chance I was wrong which is why I asked for counter claims. You guys royally fucked Day 1 for me.



I'm starting to wonder if this is truly role madness or not. 3 vanillas? I obviously did not expect that to be possible, so I'm inclined to think there's some bullshit going on. I'd lynch BB before WAMD though.

I also feel like we'd catch a few scum by just voting down the list of people who had votes on me. They saw a chance at a bandwagon and went for it when I wasn't around to defend myself. Does anyone really think Scum Palmer would do anything I did yesterday, or let myself come so close to a lynch?

I said this in Anime and nobody listed, but if you see my flip, remember every single person who has voted for me.


Aside from that, where the fuck is Burb. No vote is some bullshit, and it really feels like he's skating.

Didn't quote directly bruh

 

[Palmer_v1]

Didn't quote directly bruh

Because you didn't literally hit the quote button? So by your logic it's cool to simply retype the whole damn thing?

 

[Palmer_v1]

My scummy list in the order I would lynch them:

Blargonaut
Burbeting
Natiko
isaacnukem
StanleyPalmtree
Dr. Worm

Vote: Blargonaut

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Don't know if this is frowned upon, but yeah my role name also starts with THE, not THAT. I was just curious what Dragonz would say so I lied and said my role name started with THAT. Obviously nothing definitive since it's just a name, but since I was already leaning on Dragonz being scum or neutral, this adds to it.

This is some Grade A reach dude

I'm town, I'm vanilla. I don't know what else you're trying to trick me into telling you; I have nothing else to share

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Because you didn't literally hit the quote button? So by your logic it's cool to simply retype the whole damn thing?

I paraphrased, none of it is a direct quote other than my role name

The flavor is what I posted in essence, but I worded it differently for the claim

 

[Palmer_v1]

I paraphrased, none of it is a direct quote other than my role name

The flavor is what I posted in essence, but I worded it differently for the claim

The Role Name is the specific part I was calling out, though retro has retroactively said it's okay.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Despite what you believe, Palmer, I am not an idiot and I know how to play Mafia thank you very much

 

[Natiko]

It will probably prove that natiko is an idiot and put the whole fucking thing about role names to bed. It may also force the scum into an awkward situation if we have any flavor cops.

Yeah okay.

Mods I need a replacement.

 

[Lifeline]

Remember when we were all just joking about pizza and pineapples, i miss those days. Now we're calling each other buttholes and using no no words.

 

[Darryl]

My scummy list in the order I would lynch them:

Blargonaut
Burbeting
Natiko
isaacnukem
StanleyPalmtree
Dr. Worm

Vote: Blargonaut

I agree with your intuition here. I don't have Blarg on my list because of the Burbeting x Blarg interactions. I agree with the rest of your list because I do see them as largely coasting.

Least scum:
BlackBuzzard
LaunchPadMcQ

 

[Dr. Worm]

unrelated shitpost

"Does someone smell pineapple?"

"I smell pineapple"

"Who's eating pineapple, let's get them!"

"Oh wait, found it, someone left one under the sofa, no pizza anywhere near it."

"Oh, guess we can't blame anyone for that"

"Shame"

Nobody has died

also I went out for pizza:

pineapple and anchovies

 

[Palmer_v1]

I agree with your intuition here. I don't have Blarg on my list because of the Burbeting x Blarg interactions. I agree with the rest of your list because I do see them as largely coasting.

Least scum:
BlackBuzzard
LaunchPadMcQ

I agree about LaunchPad, but not Black Buzzard yet. I want to recheck his D1 activity prior to the claim and stuff.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Despite what you believe, Palmer, I am not an idiot ...

thanks to this game I went out and got some quality chicken and pineapple pizza
...

The defence rest you honor.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Oh, my worry here is that town is fucked because we don't actually have any true vanilla townies. We may have 3 Named Townies, who instead of sharing generic role, each have a unique ordinary role.

this sounds like a distinction without a difference to me? at least for these purposes, anyway

 

[Sophia]

Guys, seriously. Watch the personal insults. If I see another one I will modkill on sight. You do not need to attack a person's character to play this game.

 

[SkyOdin]

I should have done this sooner, since Black Buzzard responded to and answered all of my questions.

Unvote

I still think there is something acummy about his behavior, but I think I will recollect my thoughts.

 

[hey_monkey]

this sounds like a distinction without a difference to me? at least for these purposes, anyway

My interpretation is that he was saying we could have many vanilla townies but since they're named, they still count as "roles" for role madness. So speculating on numbers may lead us nowhere.

I could be wrong. This day's been chaotic and we're only a few hours in.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Your tunneling on BB makes no sense, dude was almost lynched. Do you think he cares about how his voting pattern looks the day after?

I would think he'd care more about how the lynch ends up, would you?

1. Like: SexyFish was killed - why? Was he the target? We can't know but we can guess.

I would hazard my interpretation as that he didn't really say too much, meaning there isn't a ton we can take away from his death, and mafia wanted town to go into today directionless without the flip from the previous Day

My interpretation is that he was saying we could have many vanilla townies but since they're named, they still count as "roles" for role madness.

being named doesn't really mean anything in a closed setup, though

 

[Darryl]

I would think he'd care more about how the lynch ends up, would you?



I would hazard my interpretation as that he didn't really say too much, meaning there isn't a ton we can take away from his death, and mafia wanted town to go into today directionless without the flip from the previous Day



being named doesn't really mean anything in a closed setup, though

how do you feel about my last post where i voted for burbeting? how do you feel about burbetings posts, do you think he's a coaster, and how would you feel about lynching him today

 

[Dr. Worm]

how do you feel about my last post where i voted for burbeting?

I'm not sure that I fully follow it. What seemed confusing to you about his posts overall and his logic? Where were the attempts to get information? I'm rereading his posts and I'm not seeing it.

I honestly can't say I saw what was supposed to be "artificial" about that initial conversation, so the argument you made then didn't really take in my mind from the start. That might be clouding my interpretation of this.

how do you feel about burbetings posts, do you think he's a coaster,

He dropped off in basically the last 24 hours, when things started heating up, in spite of this post:

Well my plan is to try to be more active than in Quarantine (and in Gafia 3, for that matter). Inactivity is never good in any games.

For Palmer's idea, I wouldn't be completely against it. The problem though is that it will be harder to see just who is coasting and who is not during day 1. For example, right now most of the player feel like they are coasting, due to how early the game is still on.

But I don't want to dig into why, for the same reason I'm not digging into why you left.

Apart from where he essentially changed the subject where you pointed it out, I didn't think his posts were anything remarkable, given the relative dearth of topics to discuss. I'd like to see what he says today.

and how would you feel about lynching him today

Would be dependent on how he shows up today and what he says. I would say I'm open to it, at least relative to lynching other players, but I'm not ready to make a call one or way or another.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I grabbed anything that might have relevance on D1, along with some other people's posts that caught my eye.

Read list

01. [m] isaacnukem - New - UTC+8 Hasn't said anything what ya hiding huh?
02. [m] Moonkid - New - GMT+12 Same as above awfully suspicious
03. [they] Darryl - EST Same as above
04. [m] Lifeline - EST Like pineapple obvious town read
05. [m] SkyOdin - PDT An enigma bet he gets killed day 1
06. [f] hey_monkey - EST A Monkey that doesn't like pineapple? SCUM!
07. [m] SexyFish - EST I dunno
08. [m] Dr. Worm - EST Still dunno
09. [m] Palmer_v1 - CST A corgi that hates pineapple this is why cats are mans best friend not dogs!
10. [m] Blargonaut - GMT Troll under a bridge
11. [f] Sawneeks - PST Evil woman devil woman burn her at the stake she is a witch!
12. [m] 30yearsofhurt - GMT+10 Like pineapple so hes okay
13. [m] oreomunsta - GMT Delicious cookie
14. [m] BlackBuzzard - CET Love pineapple on everything the best guy best guy ever would bang.
15. [m] Burbeting - GMT+2 A bear that likes pineapple? Yeah thats awesome
16. [m] acohrs - GMT Likes pineapple so i can see myself eating a slice with him maybe during a candle light dinner.
17. [m] Natiko - EST Doesn't like pineapple a dirty black market sales man in persona SCUM!
18. [f] WhereAreMahDragonz - MST Pineapple girl 100% town
19. [f] Swamped - EST Waifu lover
20. [m] StanleyPalmtree - GMT+12 Some kind of tree didn't say much last game, must be because he is a tree

Joke list. I don't read anything into it.

Vote: Sawneeks

... what? i dislike votes that have no basis, though it's at least better than having no vote.

Yes we should lynch Zubz over it! oh wait that already happened....

?? There's a lot of these kinds of random nothing posts. i didn't quote them all.

Wow. Now you're trying to deflect to another player. Literal scum here.

??

What are you some kind of cop? No wait gafia doesn't have cops.

?? maybe fishing?

Sawneeks, on the scale of 1-10, how artificially created was that conversation between natiko and blackbuzzard above?

Reading through just now, this was kinda what came to mind for me as well, but I also distrust Burb right now, and I don't think scum would have called out two other scum like that.

As artificial as bland-fruitless pizza

Now I get the exacty same feeling for this interaction between WAMD and Burb. Fake as hell.

Yeah. Like, you're telling us what we want to hear

This whole line of reasoning is so specious. Just floating some bullshit out there early on so you have a valid reason to bandwagon later?

Sure, but there's not much to discuss there until day end when we can evaluate who has coasted.

The whole point is to pressure the low posters so they actually commit to something concrete that we can use to gauge whether they are town or not. The more you can get some people to post, the more you can see that they're a worthless shitposter.

Swamped read far too much in to a joke read list its flavor that is all it is, why i made it? For fun its the first day of day 1.

-Burb
Just strange to call my interactions with Natiko as fake it was back and forth shit posting at the beginning of a game. Outside of that seems like a solid player that gives his own opinions and suggestions.
-Natiko
His posting style is definitely different from persona Mafia day 1 where he was the neutral, and was pretty subdued in D1 where here he is certainly more active and aggressive in this game.
-Darryl
They seem to be very aggressive, and i think framing my interaction with Natiko as fake is a strange conclusion to come to. Then roping Sawneeks into it seems just desperate to find something where there is nothing.

Now on with Blarg's idea.

I feel that its a double edged sword yes its great to get reads list out of people that might normally not feel like making one, but it also promotes just doing a reads list of the 2 people you were assigned. So if we do this i hope nobody thinks that just posting your reads on the 2 people you were assigned is okay.

Good post overall. Quoting it so it's visible.

[hightlight]Unvote

Fun time is over ill cast a serious vote later on.

Shitty post. Everyone should be held accountable for their vote at all times.

That includes me and my one Blarg vote. Even though I think he's scum, it was mostly a waste. Honestly stunned that nobody has fucking said anything about that. Bad town.

This makes me realize something else though. Does anyone think Scum Palmer wouldn't have been around to switch my vote to BB?

Homework done teacher Blarg!

Burbeteing
Started the narrative that my interactions with Natiko were faked which i think was a strange conclusion to take in D1 of day 1 where everything was pretty much shit posting. Made a good observation of Palmers play Here gave his own suggestions on Blargs plan but that seems to be it. For now i read him more town then scum.


30yearsofhurt
His posts even his read list seems pretty fluffy, but that's how he also played during Anime so nothing out of the ordinary, feels more like not knowing if he can contribute then actually something scummy.

Others

Swamped
Seems to have a solid read list cant argue with any of it really, only thing is that she seems to have read a lot from me saying Dragonz is 100% town its 100% flavor Plays a bit differently from what i remember of day 1 Anime where she was our waifu collector. for now more town then null

Oreomunsta
Seems to play similar in how he played during anime, seems trusting of Palmer which indicates that he might not be to confident in himself, which is logical in a way with going from your first game as scum to town. Still pretty null to me need more info or a more solid read list.

Lifeline
Mostly fluff a simplistic read list but could be because he is not confident in his abilities to make a solid list, i feel like if he had a team behind him he would be playing better. More town then null.

Votearryl

Trying really hard to make my interactions with Natiko and Sawneeks look faked then put some weird pressure on Sawneeks over the words she used. After that he vanished never to be seen again, i don't know if burbeting is in on this but atleast he has continued to post and voice his opinion.

Not a bad post overall, though I disagree with Darryl as your vote. Not sure yet. He was awfully fast to be agreeable about my scum list recently, and the only thing I worry about more than people voting me, is people coddling up to me.

So that's why Swamped hasn't addressed my Dragonz vote at all.



If he's inactive, he'll get replaced. Why waste a lynch?

Terrible reasoning. Anime town fucked up hard by ignoring the bowlie replacement. Never let inactives skate. How many people said that D1, and then voted for BB or me anyway? Stupid as hell.

If scum exposes themselves or are being suspected its better for the team to not voice their opinion on them that's why ive learned from experience.

I'm actually more suspicious of people who don't weigh in on obvious points of contention.

What you are saying is true scum never starts a bandwagon at the end of the day 1 day phase because it looks highly suspect on day 2.

In general I disagree. The people earliest on a bandwagon are usually the least suspicious. It's people who jump onto bandwagons later that are scummy.

So wait Monkey you are now voting on me together with Dr Worm who voted you voted for and he voted against you. To me this looks like 2 scums playing the Cabot Exodus game. While they are suspecting each other they never put a significant vote on each other but it will look like that to town if one of you flips scum.

What? Just quoting to have it visible.

Im vanilla town i have no powers so in that regard if you lynch me you don't lose much.

If you were willing to fall on your sword here, why would make the claim at all? Seems scummy.

I am vanilla town yes in a role madness game im the unlucky one(dont know if there are more then just me) to be vanilla. Right now i think scum is setting me up by killing SexyFish who was one of the people voting on me, why do the job yourself when town is more then happy to do it for you.

WIFOM crap. Occam's razor says scum had a reason to kill SexyFish.

Yes im that fucking dumb, thank you.

i non-ironically like this post.

Honestly i didn't see Dragonz claim before it was too late. At first i didn't even know it was role madness so i saw nothing strange about Palmers claim and after that i just kind of assumed we would have 2 vanilla town folk.

Why i didn't claim earlier i didn't expect to be on the chopping block till i saw the votes right before the day ended. Yes that is my mistake.

This seems like bullshit. I specifically made it clear that this was role madness and it was a large topic of conversation.

Fine by me

Im the NBSP(?) little ceasars fan

I may not be rboke but i grew up on little ceasars lets say if somebody offered me the superior option i would still not take it i just cant resist that 5$ red and hot deal.

For reference.

Why not ask Palmer this? because i never assumed to be the only townie.

I've stated all my reasons already on D1.

No because i have a damn theory!

Scrambling?

I got it!

Every role starts with THE but Dragons claims hers starts with that. Life can you tell me if yours starts with THE

I am THE little NBSP ceasars pizza fan

and i am alligned with THE town.

Also Sexy's role started with THE not that.

More of this role name crap with Natiko? This is a terrible way to play mafia.

 

[hey_monkey]

Yeah, I mean, this is the list of all the less active posters day 1:

Day 1 Postcount: acohrs 12, Burbeting 16, Darryl 7, isaacnukem 14, Moonkid 13, oreomunsta 14, Palmer_v1 21, SkyOdin 19, StanleyPalmtree 11, (and SexyFish, RIP)

Darryl and Palmer are the only ones who've checked in so far. I'm going to update my reads list and I'll be looking for scumhunting versus coasting there, but though I came down in favor of possible lynch for a few of these people day 1, I feel like we should hear from them in terms of the updated scenario.

Additionally, if we look at the above, we also need to look at players who were visible but who didn't actually do much d1, like Blarg, BB (already being looked at), and 30. I'd add Natiko to this, too, but if he's being replaced then that's a whole new consideration.

Palmer, Darryl, I agree about LaunchPad but some folks were seeing scumminess in Moonkid d1. LaunchPad seems to have a different approach so maybe it was just newbie stuff, but I'd like to know why you two have placed him (?) as town specifically now.

 

[Palmer_v1]

For those talking about named townie vs ordinary townie, the biggest difference is how it affects name/fluff cops. I would assume scum also have a few custom ones to claim since we now know that Ordinary Town doesn't actually exist.

I still think a mass name claim would be be beneficial, and would like to know who is opposed and why.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Yeah, I mean, this is the list of all the less active posters day 1:

Day 1 Postcount: acohrs 12, Burbeting 16, Darryl 7, isaacnukem 14, Moonkid 13, oreomunsta 14, Palmer_v1 21, SkyOdin 19, StanleyPalmtree 11, (and SexyFish, RIP)

Darryl and Palmer are the only ones who've checked in so far. I'm going to update my reads list and I'll be looking for scumhunting versus coasting there, but though I came down in favor of possible lynch for a few of these people day 1, I feel like we should hear from them in terms of the updated scenario.

Additionally, if we look at the above, we also need to look at players who were visible but who didn't actually do much d1, like Blarg, BB (already being looked at), and 30. I'd add Natiko to this, too, but if he's being replaced then that's a whole new consideration.

Palmer, Darryl, I agree about LaunchPad but some folks were seeing scumminess in Moonkid d1. LaunchPad seems to have a different approach so maybe it was just newbie stuff, but I'd like to know why you two have placed him (?) as town specifically now.

He's at least somewhat rational so far, which is leaps and bounds better than a lot of "town"

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Rampant mechanics discussion. ugh.

I hold Swamped in too high regard to believe she didn't know what the vote count was at any point...

so i dont really know what the history is here thats making you think this way, but this seems like a unreasonably high standard to hold someone to.

My interpretation is that he was saying we could have many vanilla townies but since they're named, they still count as "roles" for role madness. So speculating on numbers may lead us nowhere.

I could be wrong. This day's been chaotic and we're only a few hours in.

this was pretty much my guess for the situation too, Role-madness doesn't nessisarily mean Power-Madness.
likely everyone here has a unique name, and mafia probably have fake claims to match.

Who would be in favor of a mass role name claim? So far, neither my name nor WAMD's name actually gives any info about being a power role or not, nor gives any hints to what the powers might be.

mafia fake claims make this pretty much fruitless (heh), and could even give scum clues as to who might have what power-roles.
dont drag the rest of us down to your level.