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Pineapple Pizza Mafia |OT| The War On Fruit Pizza
- Thread starter Sophia
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BlackBuzzard
Banned
Whats your alignment?
I missed Lifeline's post where he claimed his role told him he was vanilla. I thought he was being obtuse. My bad.
That's not what I said, I said I thought I was vanilla, not that my role said vanilla.
I don't understand. How would he know? If he knew he was the only vanilla townie in the game, he wouldn't be vanilla. That would be an information role. He was making an assumption based on the game setup.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
It says vanilla townie and that I am aligned with town
BlackBuzzard
Banned
What about you Palmer? Whats your allignment?
See post #674. I wanted my vote to count. Dr Worm and Monkey were kind enough to offer some explanation, and I could understand their POV.
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Regarding these 3 vanilla claims. The flavors are:
NBSP(?) little ceasars fan (BB)
THAT PERSON WHO ONLY EATS FROZEN PIZZA (Dragonz)
casual pizza lover who only has it like once a month - (paraphrased according to Palmer)
Could any of these be lying? It certainly is risky having 2 ordinary claims in the last few minutes of the day phase if they are both scum. I know Natiko is suspicious of Palmer's name, but it WAS paraphrased. BUT, he has said this a few times which makes me inclined to trust Natiko.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
No because i have a damn theory!
If you don't go before Palmer you better have a really good theory because most will beleive you the least out of all the vanillas.
This conversation reeks of town vs town and I seriously need someone to explain it to me if there's something I'm missing. Why is this conversation is worth having? Where are the conflictions?
I mean you have to admit, 3 vanillas all revealing themselves on Day 1 is weird. At least 1 is lying.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
I got it!
Every role starts with THE but Dragons claims hers starts with that. Life can you tell me if yours starts with THE
I am THE little NBSP ceasars pizza fan
and i am alligned with THE town.
Also Sexy's role started with THE not that.
Every role starts with THE but Dragons claims hers starts with that. Life can you tell me if yours starts with THE
I am THE little NBSP ceasars pizza fan
and i am alligned with THE town.
Also Sexy's role started with THE not that.
Then can you please answer my questions about your role PM? Everyone already knows what your roke is, you might as well summarize it for us.
this is just gonna go in circles
there's a wording common to WAMD's claimed role name and Natiko's own role name that is not common to Palmer's (or BB's). Natiko believed this made Palmer's claim sus, as he thought everyone's role name used that wording
this doesn't hold, though, because SexyFish has had his role name revealed, and it doesn't follow that wording, which means not everyone uses that wording
I'm assuming this what Natiko is talking about, because my wording is similar to that of WAMD's role name
there's a wording common to WAMD's claimed role name and Natiko's own role name that is not common to Palmer's (or BB's). Natiko believed this made Palmer's claim sus, as he thought everyone's role name used that wording
this doesn't hold, though, because SexyFish has had his role name revealed, and it doesn't follow that wording, which means not everyone uses that wording
I'm assuming this what Natiko is talking about, because my wording is similar to that of WAMD's role name
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
That
BlackBuzzard
Banned
can you just give us your flavor paraphrased we know your town.
I'm guessing there's a paraphrase in WAMD's
it doesn't matter - if this is actually a thing, Sophia would've informed all of the mafia about it being a thing, as to not do so would be considered bastard. it's why there's always a town Role PM in the first post and cover roles given to mafia - the point of the game is information misalignment between town and mafia in the mafia's favor
Okay, so The and That are random. What about you Palmer?
I think it's interesting, what about you swamped? You don't have to tell us your role but does it start with The or That?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I'm currently playing paper Mario but when I'm bored I'll go back and read the day end votes
Surprised no one mentioned this, but did anyone notice Issacnukem keeping his joke post on Palmer and then staying quiet till the end of the phase and saying something about wanting Palmer's blood? I don't know enough about this game to know what role that is, but it's something neutral.
The
Honestly have no idea how this is helpful. Imagine you are creating a mafia game. It's highly unlikely that you'll go "Oooo Mafia flavour names should start with The and Town should start with That!". I think we are wasting time, and there are several things I would rather discuss:
1. Is it possible that one of Palmer, Dragonz or BB are lying? And not based on their flavor, but based on the reactions to Palmer's claim, or Natiko's suspicion.
2. Why did Oreo and Sky vote for each other on D1, and give terrible reasoning for them?
3. Where is Burbeting, and why are we not getting the quality town posts we usually get?
Since the vanilla thing is at a standstill till we get Palmer here, I have some questions for the rest of you:
Issacnukem: I guess your role is to get Palmer lynched, what's your next step?
Natiko: Why did you vote for Palmer at the last second, when most votes on him were joke votes. Feels kinda cheap to get someone lynched over joke votes
Swamped: Why did you decide on BB over Dragonz, if you read both as town?
hey_monkey: Why did you decide to remove your BB vote to vote for Dragonz instead (after the day already ended). Why did you tell us to lynch Palmer next if Dragonz flips town and not BB?
Issacnukem: I guess your role is to get Palmer lynched, what's your next step?
Natiko: Why did you vote for Palmer at the last second, when most votes on him were joke votes. Feels kinda cheap to get someone lynched over joke votes
Swamped: Why did you decide on BB over Dragonz, if you read both as town?
hey_monkey: Why did you decide to remove your BB vote to vote for Dragonz instead (after the day already ended). Why did you tell us to lynch Palmer next if Dragonz flips town and not BB?
If Dragonz was town, mafia would've slowly started jumping on the bandwagon once i started it. Since she was town, i would've taken the blame for it.
If Dragonz was mafia, they would avoid the bandwagon and try to start another one. Like the attempts at an Acohrs and BB bandwagon at the end of the day.
And we all know which of the above occurred?
I already addressed this, but the reason was that Monkey and Dr Worm gave me their reasoning for BB, and I could understand their logic. Also, I was gut-reading Dragonz as town as I know her better. I had to switch when it looked like there was a tie between the two. I would rather have a lynch than a tie.
For reference, here is a End of day timeline:
hey_monkey: switches Dr. Worm vote to BB vote -> switches to Dragonz vote after voting period ends.
Dragonz: votes for 30yearsofhurt (something to note, dragonz said they won't be around for end of the day. But they were. Seems like an attempt at starting a bandwagon and leaving room to disapper if 30years makes a good claim).
Dr. Worm: Votes for BB (associated BB with Natiko and Monkey as well)
Lifeline: Dragonz
BB: Darryl
Sawneeks: removed 30years vote -> Votes for Dragonz
30 years: removed Dragonz vote -> Votes for Dragonz
Swamped: Doubles down on Achors vote -> Votes for BlackBuzzard (someone Swamped claimed was likely town less than an hour ago, no idea why Dr. Worm and Hey Monkey's reasoning made sense to her at the end of the day, but not when the doc and monkey were complaining about BB the rest of the day) -> Votes for Dragonz (another person Swamped claimed was likely town)
Oreo: Votes for SkyOdin
Sexyfish: Votes for BlackBuzzard
Natiko: votes for Palmer (seems cheap since most votes on him are joke votes people were too inactive to remove. Maybe an attempt to make it a tie?)
People who were here, but didn't vote/change vote: Burb and Issac
hey_monkey: switches Dr. Worm vote to BB vote -> switches to Dragonz vote after voting period ends.
Dragonz: votes for 30yearsofhurt (something to note, dragonz said they won't be around for end of the day. But they were. Seems like an attempt at starting a bandwagon and leaving room to disapper if 30years makes a good claim).
Dr. Worm: Votes for BB (associated BB with Natiko and Monkey as well)
Lifeline: Dragonz
BB: Darryl
Sawneeks: removed 30years vote -> Votes for Dragonz
30 years: removed Dragonz vote -> Votes for Dragonz
Swamped: Doubles down on Achors vote -> Votes for BlackBuzzard (someone Swamped claimed was likely town less than an hour ago, no idea why Dr. Worm and Hey Monkey's reasoning made sense to her at the end of the day, but not when the doc and monkey were complaining about BB the rest of the day) -> Votes for Dragonz (another person Swamped claimed was likely town)
Oreo: Votes for SkyOdin
Sexyfish: Votes for BlackBuzzard
Natiko: votes for Palmer (seems cheap since most votes on him are joke votes people were too inactive to remove. Maybe an attempt to make it a tie?)
People who were here, but didn't vote/change vote: Burb and Issac
hey_monkey
Banned
I already explained this. I saw Dragonz' first and found the timing unbelievable. I didn't see BB's until after.
You've played as mafia before, can you give me a reason why mafia wouldn't jump on the Dragonz bandwagon when i was handing them it on a platter?
Your tunneling on BB makes no sense, dude was almost lynched. Do you think he cares about how his voting pattern looks the day after?
hey_monkey
Banned
Ehhh... a timeline is in order. If we want a timeline of sorts or any kind of recap, let's keep it in order so we don't end up creating misinformation or misreads that people have to work out and argue about. Here's the last full day (the 19th on my clock) of votes and swaps. If you want, I'll do the whole game. But this is in order.
hey_monkey votes Dr. Worm
30 votes Dragonz
Moonkid (now swapped) votes No Lynch
Dragonz unvotes
Swamped votes acohrs
Stanley votes Palmer
Dragonz votes 30
Dr. Worm votes BlackBuzzard
Lifeline votes Dragonz
BlackBuzzard votes Darryl
Sawneeks ovtes 30
30 unvotes
hey_monkey votes BlackBuzzard
oreo votes SkyOdin
SexyFish votes BlackBuzzard
Sawneeks votes Dragonz
Swamped votes BB
30 votes Dragonz
Natiko votes Palmer
Swamped votes Dragonz
hey_monkey votes Dragonz after day end
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Because I'm less concerned about roleclaims than people reacting to them and other actions. I'm not at the point where I'm ready to lynch a vanilla just because he claimed, whether they are lying or not. That's not a good line of reasoning to me.
hey_monkey
Banned
LL, why are you tracking vote patterns but telling Dr. Worm not to? I'm not sure what it is you're trying to accomplish, but it's coming across to me as manic and chaotic. Maybe we can step back and work through some things?
1. Like: SexyFish was killed - why? Was he the target? We can't know but we can guess.
2. Someone targeted LL (he claims) but also did not answer any questions about his flavor or the role misunderstanding - but that would probably give us some information about what happened. I can understand hesitancy at a full claim, but.
3. Yes, we need to figure out what's up with the threeway but I don't think digging through flavor is the way.
4. We have a lot of light-actives who may sweep in with some information and change everything we're doing right now. This is still the beginning of the phase and there are only a few of us here. Doesn't mean we shouldn't work, but I'd like to see some reactions from the others.
I would particularly like to hear from Blarg, oreo, acohrs, and Natiko. I'd also be interested in Launch's general thoughts as a replacement in this game.
1. Like: SexyFish was killed - why? Was he the target? We can't know but we can guess.
2. Someone targeted LL (he claims) but also did not answer any questions about his flavor or the role misunderstanding - but that would probably give us some information about what happened. I can understand hesitancy at a full claim, but.
3. Yes, we need to figure out what's up with the threeway but I don't think digging through flavor is the way.
4. We have a lot of light-actives who may sweep in with some information and change everything we're doing right now. This is still the beginning of the phase and there are only a few of us here. Doesn't mean we shouldn't work, but I'd like to see some reactions from the others.
I would particularly like to hear from Blarg, oreo, acohrs, and Natiko. I'd also be interested in Launch's general thoughts as a replacement in this game.
Whoops, slept past the day start.
(This should say Swamped for the record, you corrected yourself later but I don't want people to now get confused out of context) But yes, I agree that Swamped's quick vote switch is probably the strangest thing about the day end looking back.
My justification for the Palmer vote was sprinkled throughout the day in how I mentioned being mildly concerned about it based on something that was not due to a role. I would assume the context of my question at day end would give it away, but to be perfectly clear my concern was due to the role name. For instance, mine is designed like Words Words Words (Words Words Words). WAMD claimed vanilla with a name that was structured similarly. That was enough to push my concerns up a notch so that's where I voted.
Then do you think WAMD and BB are both scum? Their claims in theory look a lot worse than yours, there's something to be said for being the first to claim vanilla in a role madness game compared to, say, third.
You can find my reasoning for switching to Palmer above. Keep in mind the context in which I returned. I was at work for the entire day end. I only got out of a meeting with less than five minutes until the deadline. From my post returning there were only 24 more posts prior to day end with three other votes besides mine and due to the post cool down by the time I got the info from WAMD I didn't have time to go back for a vote update before posting my vote if I wanted to get it in before day end. Had I realized what the votes were at I wouldn't have voted at all, that one's my mistake.
Just wanted to point out that it seems at least one player was paying close enough attention to pick up on what my vote was based on.
I think it's important to be cautious of reading too much into just the command text. There have been games before where a town aligned player for instance had a command that made them sound scummy. The text for those portions can still be a misdirection. Lifeline I would think should be able to clear this up.
Does your role specify that you would be revealed to town? Was anything about what happened at the start of today outlined as part of your role? Or was this a surprise to you as well?
Mine does not start with either.
Considering how little time I had there was definitely not enough time to go back and analyze the context of any other votes on Palmer. As I said above, I didn't pay close enough attention to the votes to realize we were that close to a tie. I thought the leading candidates were WAMD and BB because that's where the conversation seemed focused. I just knew my earlier suspicion on Palmer's claim had been backed up by a third party so I went with my gut.
Keep in mind that coordinating a tie makes no sense as scum. Scum want townies to die. The only situation in which that implication makes sense is if every single person involved is scum. Meaning the team would be me, Swamped, 30yearsofhurt, WAMD, BB, and Palmer. Otherwise the whole thing falls apart. If any of WAMD, BB, or Palmer are town then scum would just tilt the votes in their favor. If either of me, Swamped, or 30years are town then the coordinated tie doesn't pan out.
I do think it's worth noting that both BB and WAMD were eager enough to live so as to claim at day end, but neither made a vote out of survival. Palmer wasn't around at day end so that makes sense at least.
The BB bandwagon at the last half hour of the game was very unnatural and so anyone involved with that is suspect and I really don't understand all the reasoning's behind a BB vote. I also don't understand how such thin reasoning garnered so much support. Reminds me of other bandwagon attempts at the start of Day 1 that didn't really make any sense.
Anyway, I wanted a turbo, but that's not likely to happen. I'll be gone for a while, but I'll leave this here:
Vote: WhereAreMahDragonz
30yearsofhurt
Member
So much vanilla.
I'm vanilla and so is my wife.
I'm vanilla and so is my wife.
that's a joke people