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[Lifeline]

I didn't know what being served a pineapple pizza meant and thought it was just flavor, that's why at the beginning of the day 2 i said i originally thought i was vanilla too. Sophia confirmed to me that i'm not vanilla, but didn;t explain what being served pineapple means.

It could be poison or it could be a investigative role that investigated me.

 

[Palmer_v1]

If he's telling the truth, and I'm still not convinced, it means SF was not the scum kill.

Now that we have what appears to be a town vig as well, I'm guessing that we have a SK type neutral out there.

 

[Lifeline]

So, you're saying your ability is that you confirm yourself as town?

Someone else has to trigger my confirmation.

 

[hey_monkey]

If he's telling the truth, and I'm still not convinced, it means SF was not the scum kill.

Now that we have what appears to be a town vig as well, I'm guessing that we have a SK type neutral out there.

I'm just trying to make sure I follow - are you saying scum tried to kill LL and it triggered the ability? (or am I just reading it that way because I already suggested that?)

 

[Palmer_v1]

If he's telling the truth, and I'm still not convinced, it means SF was not the scum kill.

Now that we have what appears to be a town vig as well, I'm guessing that we have a SK type neutral out there.

Or it could be the opposite?

I assumed getting fed pineapple pizza was the scum kill, but it's possible that's a neutral? That seems very unlikely though.

nobody has mentioned it yet, but two scum teams might even be a thing. I hope not though.

So if LL really is an innocent child, what did he do to get targeted N1?

 

[Lifeline]

If this is an investigative role, maybe we shouldn't try to look for answers too hard and force a investigative role to reveal themselves.

 

[Burbeting]

That kill seems like a logical choice for a town vig. I guess delayed kill is possible too, but that doesn't seem as likely, especially if that was a scum role. I see no motive for scum to target WAMD.

Launch, what are your thoughts on swamped now? Same for Lifeline.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I'm just trying to make sure I follow - are you saying scum tried to kill LL and it triggered the ability? (or am I just reading it that way because I already suggested that?)

He's claiming his ability is triggered by consuming pineapple pizza, but we don't actually know what that means in game terms. i'm not sure Sophia would verify it for us. Have to check to see what she said in the description of the game maybe? It my be personal bias, but i assumed being fed pineapple pizza is what mafia did to kill people this game.

 

[Lifeline]

If Dragonz is town, why didn't scum put in the extra 1 or 2 votes to get her lynched. Or maybe Hey_monkey's and swamped's last second votes were exactly that.

Or maybe they preferred a tie because BB is scum and if Dragonz flipped town, BB would have been next unless they could push the heat to Palmer.

 

[hey_monkey]

So all we can say for certain is that Lifeline was targeted by someone. All right, I'll be back in a second with some things.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Someone else has to trigger my confirmation.

Theory: there are multiple roles of this nature and there is a neutral role passing out pizzas. Neutral's goal is to give a pizza to each or some of these roles.

That kill seems like a logical choice for a town vig. I guess delayed kill is possible too, but that doesn't seem as likely, especially if that was a scum role. I see no motive for scum to target WAMD.

Launch, what are your thoughts on swamped now? Same for Lifeline.

Swamped as a suspect still makes sense to me. I'm more wary about Lifeline than I was previously.

 

[Burbeting]

If Dragonz is town, why didn't scum put in the extra 1 or 2 votes to get her lynched. Or maybe Hey_monkey's and swamped's last second votes were exactly that.

Or maybe they preferred a tie because BB is scum and if Dragonz flipped town, BB would have been next unless they could push the heat to Palmer.

If D1 was town v town vote, then scum wouldn't have cared who was getting lynched.

 

[hey_monkey]

At this point Dr. Worm and Dragonz reactions to Palmer's unveiling were the most suspect. It seemed as through they wanted to set up a bandwagon, but wanted a townie to take the first step in putting up a serious vote. Nobody bit on their trap so they backed off, but left enough there to cast doubt and come back to later on.

Then comes their next attempt at starting a bandwagon. Darryl's weird obsession with Sawneeks wording in the early game. It seemed like Darryl was trying too hard to find something to get others to latch on to, but again failed (probably because the text between their argument was too boring and too much and most people just skipped their posts). Also some people called him out on his argument, after which he disappeared.

Lifeline, can you clarify what you meant by trying to start a bandwagon here but not actually voting? I think I know but I'd rather hear it from you.

 

[Palmer_v1]

So all we can say for certain is that Lifeline was targeted by someone. All right, I'll be back in a second with some things.

Correct.

I checked the OP and this is what it has:

In A.D. 2017

War Was Beginning.

Store Owner: What happen?

Chef: Somebody set up us the fruit.

Customer: We get signal.

Store Owner: What!

Customer: Main Screen Turn On.

Owner: It's you!!

PPAP: How are you gentlemen!!

PPAP: All your pizzas are belong to us.

PPAP: You are on the way to Pineapple.

Owner: What you say!!

PPAP: You have no chance to survive make your time.

PPAP: Ha ha ha ha.

Customer: Owner!!!

Owner: Take off every "WAR"!!!

Owner: You know what you doing.

Owner: Move "WAR"!!

Owner: For Great Justice.

I parse that as the Pineapple Pizza fans being the bad guys, while the rest of us are opposed to them. I've been assuming being fed pineapple pizza was how they killed us, but I guess there's nothing that ever says for sure. Our role PMs also don't actually say anything about who we're fighting. It's usually fairly clear what the scum team is and what they're doing, so i'm a bit unsure here.

 

[Burbeting]

Swamped as a suspect still makes sense to me. I'm more wary about Lifeline than I was previously.

Why do you think she did what she did at the end of d1, since bussing dragonz can't have been it.

Lifeline, your thoughts on swamped and launch now?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Why do you think she did what she did at the end of d1, since bussing dragonz can't have been it.

Lifeline, your thoughts on swamped and launch now?

Maybe it's as simple as protecting BB.

 

[Burbeting]

Maybe it's as simple as protecting BB.

What are your thoughts on lynching BB today, then?

I'm little concerned over town seemingly having now 4 players that are either vanilla or almost vanilla (Lifeline). But I still feel like scum BB doing what he has done so far wouldn't make sense from a scum.

 

[hey_monkey]

So here we go.

Lifeline voted Moonkid (now LaunchPad) to start and stayed there, declaring Moonkid scummy scum scum. Wasn't in his later lists, though.

This was his original list, which he later explained in the post that keeps getting quoted around:

First of all, I apologize for not being very active this day phase. I got hit by a double whammy of last day of finals and a family birthday that kept me too busy to catch up with this thread. I finally finished re-reading everything today and I think i'm ready for some serious reads.

First of all, it's really weird we're this close to end of day and there's no bandwagons or anyone looking likely to be lynched. Palmer has the most votes on him and they're all joke votes.

It seems a awful lot like Mafia is having a hard time setting up a bandwagon (and not for a lack of trying).

So here are where things stand for me:

Town:
- Palmer
- Natiko
- Hey_Monkey

Scum (in order from least sure to most):
- Dr. Worm
- SkyOdin
- Darryl
- Dragonz

Godfather:
- Swamped

So here are some reasons LL might be targeted. Feel free to add to it:

Part of his theory was right, but as has been pointed out for other things, that would be kinda obvious. Except it's LL and no one really was really him seriously - but we might have had he been clearly killed.

Could just be that he was targeted for being LL, for being pushy and loud and creating noise. But I'd think scum would want to foster noise.

Without another clear, solid target, why not LL, especially if he was totally wrong? Then we might look and ponder and spend a day or two flipping people he suggested, while scum dances merrily away.

Could just be a chaos-inducing move without any clear motive, just to see what happens.

What I can't figure is why LL strung everyone along.

 

[Lifeline]

Why do you think she did what she did at the end of d1, since bussing dragonz can't have been it.

Lifeline, your thoughts on swamped and launch now?

I don't like how easily launch jumped on Dragonz (even though i supported it before), but i'm gonna have to do a lot of re-reading.

Lifeline, can you clarify what you meant by trying to start a bandwagon here but not actually voting? I think I know but I'd rather hear it from you.

It seemed like they put forth some good arguments against Palmer, but didn't actually vote for him. Seemed like they were giving others a good argument to use against Palmer, and waiting for them to go first.

 

[Burbeting]

You skipped swamped, Lifeline. Don't circle around the question.

 

[hey_monkey]

Part of his theory was right, but as has been pointed out for other things, that would be kinda obvious. Except it's LL and no one really was really him seriously - but we might have had he been clearly killed.

ugh, no one was really taking him seriously, I meant to say. typos upon typos.

 

[Burbeting]

I'm concerned that BB has more or less completely disappeared from the game for a while now. Laying low?

 

[Blargonaut]

WhereAreMahDragonz has been assassinated.

Day 2 continues onward!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

What are your thoughts on lynching BB today, then?

I'm little concerned over town seemingly having now 4 players that are either vanilla or almost vanilla (Lifeline). But I still feel like scum BB doing what he has done so far wouldn't make sense from a scum.

I can be persuaded for a BB lynch, but like you said, some things don't quite add up with him.

I don't like how easily launch jumped on Dragonz (even though i supported it before), but i'm gonna have to do a lot of re-reading.

I never committed to Dragonz. I was just spitballing on why Swamped acted in such a suspicious way. I thought that was the likeliest because if I were scum and made a move like that, it would be to buy myself some townie cred as the one who sealed the bandwagon on scum. I think it's a better play than just protecting one of your own, personally.

 

[Lifeline]

You skipped swamped, Lifeline. Don't circle around the question.

I already talked about swamped:

If Dragonz is town, why didn't scum put in the extra 1 or 2 votes to get her lynched. Or maybe Hey_monkey's and swamped's last second votes were exactly that.

 

[Blargonaut]

A hired hit? Someone's a coward

 

[hey_monkey]

I'm little concerned over town seemingly having now 4 players that are either vanilla or almost vanilla (Lifeline).

And we'll have more when people start using up one or two shot abilities, if they haven't already. Which is normal, but it means we're gonna have a pretty vanilla town soon.

There are some differences between the role cards btw, but I doubt that's important. Just a little thing.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I already talked about swamped:

If Dragonz is town, why didn't scum put in the extra 1 or 2 votes to get her lynched. Or maybe Hey_monkey's and swamped's last second votes were exactly that.

What would the conversation be today if Dragonz had gotten lynched yesterday? "There was mafia in that bandwagon!" and WIFOM discussion, no?

 

[Natiko]

I already talked about swamped:

If Dragonz is town, why didn't scum put in the extra 1 or 2 votes to get her lynched. Or maybe Hey_monkey's and swamped's last second votes were exactly that.

Or perhaps all three were town and scum just sat back not expecting an accidental tie. Considering how close the last few votes were if you think it was tied on purpose we all have to be scum.

 

[Lifeline]

I mean, it's already confirmed my opinions are terrible. Why are you asking me all these questions?

Blarg is the smartest town here, I saw you forward all inquires to him.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Or perhaps all three were town and scum just sat back not expecting an accidental tie. Considering how close the last few votes were if you think it was tied on purpose we all have to be scum.

It may have been covered before but did you know you were causing a tie when you voted me?

 

[Lifeline]

*say dammit.

 

[Burbeting]

I mean, it's already confirmed my opinions are terrible. Why are you asking me all these questions?

Blarg is the smartest town here, I saw you forward all inquires to him.

You are a confirmed town, no? I should be able to read your opinion knowing there is no scum manipulation behind it, so your word in a sense now matters more.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah I'm coming around to believing the Lifeline/neutral narrative

 

[Burbeting]

Yeah I'm coming around to believing the Lifeline/neutral narrative

This is not a bastard game. Lifeline has to be town.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

This is not a bastard game. Lifeline has to be town.

No, I threw a theory out a few posts above that a neutral gave him the pizza

 

[Palmer_v1]

This is not a bastard game. Lifeline has to be town.

Is it? If Sofia can confirm that I'd be happy as hell.

Though we do have a miller, which is right on that bastard line. Unless natiko is lying.

 

[hey_monkey]

No, I threw a theory out a few posts above that a neutral gave him the pizza

And why do you now think so?

 

[Burbeting]

Is it? If Sofia can confirm that I'd be happy as hell.

Though we do have a miller, which is right on that bastard line. Unless natiko is lying.

I don't personally go wider Miller a bastard role, if Miller is told about it. If Miller is left in the dark, it's bastard imo.

 

[Burbeting]

*I personally don't think

 

[Lifeline]

What's a bastard game?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

And why do you now think so?

Because of Lifeline's roleclaim

 

[Palmer_v1]

I don't personally go wider Miller a bastard role, if Miller is told about it. If Miller is left in the dark, it's bastard imo.

But what makes me you believe this definitely is not a bastard game?

 

[Burbeting]

But what makes me you believe this definitely is not a bastard game?

Pretty sure Sophia classified it 7-8 in crab scale in the general thread before the game started. Bastard would be 10, no?

 

[Palmer_v1]

What's a bastard game?

Contains elements that cause people to get unreliable info. For example, a cop can normally trust that if the mod says player X is scum or town, that it's true. Godfathers and Millers fuck that up for a cop. Another common role is switcher or bus driver, where they manipulate who is being targeted. I.e. I check burb, but I actually get a result from blarg without knowing it.

Anything that can change your role also applies, plus a lot more things.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Pretty sure Sophia classified it 7-8 in crab scale in the general thread before the game started. Bastard would be 10, no?

I missed that if so. I didn't think this batch of games was using the scale at all.

 

[Burbeting]

Oh, before anyone asks: The game is role madness, although on the saner end of the scale. If you were to use Crab's scale, it would sit firmly between a 7 and an 8.

.

 

[hey_monkey]

Because of Lifeline's roleclaim

Okay... but why is that more likely to be a neutral as opposed to Palmer's idea that it's scum.

I'm not sure who targeted whom but I'd like to hear the reasons people have to offer.

 

[Lifeline]

7 or 8 is pretty high for a game with essentially 4 vanillas. But crabs scale might be logarithmic so idk.

 

[Burbeting]

Yeah I'm coming around to believing the Lifeline/neutral narrative

Can you quote me the direct post where you thought of this narrative?