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[Palmer_v1]

Also I will get to this in a bit, I love mafia but I have other things I want to get to today. :x

be back later with some sick reads.

informational.

Why vote for Dr. Worm and not BB? From how it reads to me you feel roughly the same about both so what made you choose him?



?

Why do you trust Monkey despite her acting differently yet Scum Read Dragonz for the same reasoning?



Gotcha, sorry. When I was looking over who did and did not respond to me I didn't really fully read-over all the questions I asked, just looked at who didn't say anything. That was my bad. :x



This has been discussed before outside of the games but it's just this 'thing' that Gafia does for some reason. Other Mafia communities usually don't run out the timer and make a mad-dash at the end of a Day Phase, it's just something we were never able to break. The good news is if a Scum member is up for lynch towards the End of a Day Phase sometimes their teammates mess up and blatantly vote elsewhere without a good reason as to why. It can be a good Scum Hunting tool if we find proper Scum and can look back at the votes.

Lot more questions and still hasn't really committed to any hard stances.

Natiko :
Starts with premium, A-Grade shitposts until Burb calls out the fact that he felt Natiko's and BB's interactions felt 'forced'. I think I might have said earlier I found it interesting that Natiko voted for BB in his opening post but after having gone back and re-read everything I don't feel like this is alignment indicative. I could see a Scum!Nat, Town!Nat, or even a Neutral!Nat make that kind of a joke vote regardless of BB's alignment.

Darryl then hops in and they go back-and-forth for a few posts and nothing really sticks out here. Nat's logic is solid, at least. I jump in and question Nat a bit and this is where he begins to shift from just 'frustration' to 'frustrated and defensive'. Keeps bringing up how this sort of 'nitpicking' leads other Towns to ruin and says we should avoid that. Like I said, defensive.

Comments on Palmer's claim, says he is skeptical but won't provide details. Specifically says " I just don't feel going into it right now is the best choice." ( #245). More clarification on what he does not want to discuss, specifically the idea of lynching coasters when it was early in the Day Phase and the focus brought up his conversation with BB. More 'we really shouldn't follow the steps of what past Towns have done' in regards to his conversation.

Comments on Blarg's plan, feels it is flawed. Explains further with Sky that he worries it will encourage people to be lazy by only doing their two reads and not much else, preferring to sit back and do the minimum. Does Blarg's homework and then votes for Lifeline who hasn't appeared in some time.

Mentions that the only time he was ever really motivated in a Day 1 was when he was Scum, says he mostly takes Day 1s by commenting on things that stick out and prodding people. Says nothing has stuck out so far.

Conclusion: Defensive and slightly cautious? Feels like Nat is hiding something to me and got a little spooked when a few people questioned him so early that he has backpedaled on his actions. It does feel like he is waiting for something as well, something even he stated slightly when saying his Day 1s usually entail him commenting on things that stick out and not something like 'trying to push discussion'. Falls in line with what he says but I don't like him just waiting and commenting when things appear instead of pushing for those 'things', reminds me of Scum who don't want to push discussion but want to appear active. A very very light Scum read.

Oreomunsta:
Likes oreos on his pizza....? Also a lot of shitposts! Shitposts are probably on the side though, on a pizza wouldn't be sanitary.

Did not immediately respond to Palmer's claim despite posting after it. Answers later that he doesn't read Palmer's claim as Scummy and that his claim doesn't make sense for a Godfather either. Mentions here as well that he's uncertain what to do but appreciates the activity.

Does not like Blarg's plan, claims it add unnecessary layers to the game.

Also notes the vote pair that Monkey and Sky put on him, vaguely musing if it means anything. Then responds to Sky again that he doesn't know what to do, saying these meta discussions are going a bit over his head. Also describes why he doesn't like Blarg's plan more: feels it will drive Town in a discussion that will become too distracting.

Conclusion: Null. Joke posts early on and then just ignores Palmer's claim until I ask him about it. Sort of just hanging around and not much else, doesn't comment on a whole lot. Could be Scum unsure of where to place a flag or Town without a sense of direction, more posts are going to be needed to make a call.

Assigned reads by blarg. Pokes at natiko some more. Null reads Oreo/Nomadic

Alright sooo I'm heading to bed. Want to go over one more person but I start jumbling my words together in that last post and I think that's a signal for some sleep. If I have time I want to go over Dr. Worms' posts again. I had a vague Town Lean on him but Monkey is suggesting the opposite so I want to go back and really take a look for myself.

Gonna answer these then get some zzzzz. Night everyone! o/



But why are you taking her word for it? You seem awfully quick to trust her.



Gotcha, thank you!

Town reads worm.

Good morning Gafia! \o/



I agree with all of this in regards to Moonkid. However, being a new player and all, I'm not willing to vote him out this Day Phase but the general feeling I do get from him is being very reserved in playstyle, somewhat similar to Oreo actually. One I would like to keep an eye on in the future, especially with a non-committal no lynch.



Why do you keep ignoring me??? ;__;



This vote coupled with this post here



leaves me confused. I know Stan is already gone because timezones but I would like an answer as to why Palmer despite not having strong feelings one way or another on Day 2 if you're still around.



Please explain, the most I get out of Moonkid is being non-committal so I'm wondering where you're getting a strong scum read.

Defends Moonkid/launchpad.

I just realized I misread Stan's post entirely.

Disregard that, Stan.

Null

Also I won't be here for Day End either. I'll be around maybe up to a half hour beforehand but that's it.

brb diving into light re-read

Informational

Dr. Worm:
Got lynched in his last game for being talkative, plans to trim it down this time around. Also says he'll be busy.

Buys Palmer's claim immediately. Says he doesn't see a scenario where Scum pull this as it would be 'ill-advised' and see's no reason to not trust him. Brings up the Godfather idea later on and says the same thing as he is having trouble finding ways not to believe him.

Calls Nat out for feeling like he's hiding something.

Likes Blarg's idea but suggests we rotate pairs and reads. Does his own part of the homework and comes to the conclusion of BB being 'decent but wouldn't trust' and Sky being a 'null' read.

Responds back to my question and says he doesn't have an answer as nothing sticks out to him yet. Also responds to Monkey's criticisms and I see no issues with his logic there.

Comments with Dragonz about how no one had brought up the fact that Blarg is being constructive in his play this time. Isn't alignment indicative in his mind but something he did notice.

FAKE EDIT: Votes for BB due to coasting behavior and reads as being too 'at-ease' with everything.

Conclusion: Not really seeing the deviousness that Monkey has brought up here. If anything his biggest note is auto-trusting Palmer but his follow-up later with the Godfather comment makes me feel like he was thinking it over, something Scum wouldn't really give a second glance at. Nothing screams Town at me either but there's a willingness to work out his thoughts here. Null, maybe a slightest of Town leans.

Null/town reads worm.

Monkey? No. I wouldn't say a strong Town Read but I didn't see anything particularly Scummy coming from her, I was just curious as to why you seemed so adamant to trust her on Day 1.

Could you explain how Dragonz is different? Or what you see that she is doing that's ringing some alarm bells.



No worries, Lifeline.

Could you explain your scum reads for me? You're the first person I think that's listed Darryl and Swamped as Scum so I'm curious as to why that is. Also just for your thoughts in general since you've been absent.

Slight town/null read on monkey.

Essentially the same as Monkey; nothing sticks out as Scummy to me but I also haven't gone back and done an in-depth look. Although I do find this:



As a good observation because I did take Dragonz vote on me as a joke-vote and never saw her pressure me in any way despite saying so here:



When did the joke-vote become a pressure vote? and if you were looking to pressure me why didn't you? I can't recall a time you pushed me for anything other than my reply towards your comment about Palmer's claim putting PRs at risk but I don't believe that was ever directly aimed at me.

Pushes against WAMD a little.

If that's the case then what was the purpose of the vote? It obviously started as a joke at first and now you're saying it's a pressure vote without the pressure but just there to see how I reacted to others? If that's the case why did you not remove it after Town leaning on me as Lifeline pointed out earlier.



I do find it interesting that out of everyone they pick one of the people that has barely been around to get any sort of read on and likely won't be here at Day End.

Same with BB's vote on Darryl, actually. Darryl has been MIA and at this point wouldn't be surprised if he got replaced and it seems like a safe place to park a vote without causing trouble.

Good post overall. Pokes at WAMD. Defends Darryl.

Unvote: 30yearsofhurt

gonna read over some things again real fast before I have to leave. Will place my final vote at that time.

Drops the 30 vote towards day end with an hour left, promising one last vote before she bails. i'm not saying she didn't have stuff to go do, but leaving your vote up in the air specifically to drop it and bail near a deadline is super unhelpful to town, and a great way for scum to dodge accountability.

Lifeline, did you ever answer why you felt Moonkid was Scum earlier? He's no longer on your list so I'm wondering what changed.

null

Can you point out to me where you're seeing this? Both seems to believe him fairly quickly but I'm not seeing this 'bandwagon' set-up you keep claiming both are doing.

I can definitely see it when people drop hints like that. She was doing it herself.

Bluh, I don't feel incredibly strong about any of these lynch candidates except maybe Dragonz at this point. I don't how her joke-vote on me turned into a real 'pressure' vote but didn't do or say anything about it until Lifeline brought it up. Strongly remind me of what I did in Pokemon Mafia as Scum; started with a prod vote and just let it sit there over time until it became a real vote. Also brought it up earlier but I also don't like how she sat back and commented on things, similar to Natiko, in regards to Palmer's claim and wanting to look back on it for answers without doing much active prodding.

Vote: WhereAreMahDragonz

and with that, I have to run. Later!

joining the WAMD bandwagon after dropping hints about it throughout.

This is obviously where D2 starts now:

RIP SexyFish and welcome Launch! Haven't seen you in forever, welcome back. c:



So, question.

Why didn't you push more against Palmer when he claimed?? If you are ordinary then you'd know that Palmer was making a lie with his claim of being the only Ordinary in the game. Why sweep that aside?



Why. You even stated earlier that you didn't like 30 or BB as options so why did you vote for him? Especially why did you swap over to Dragonz at the last possible second with no reasoning as well??



Same question above to Dragonz applies to you as well.



The fact that yours and Swamped's vote come at the last second to tie up the vote doesn't feel great at all. Why did you swap over to Palmer? Do you trust Dragonz/BB over him?



What did you mean by this? Also why did you swap over to Dragonz instead of sticking on BB? I know this vote was past the deadline and therefore didn't count but I still want to know why you tried to switch.

Starts in on Swamped and Monkey a bit. Covers for me.

Essentially, during Pokemon Mafia as Scum I 'prod/joke-voted' for someone and could not find any other candidate I was comfortable with so I let that vote become a 'real' vote over time. Dragonz vote for me set off alarm bells that reminded me strongly of that, especially considering her 'joke vote turned real vote' didn't have any set beginning or end for when that transition occurred, just an after-the-fact explanation. It was just a half-hearted 'oh yeah that was there for pressure' when she never pressured me in any way when that vote was active. Felt a lot like trying to come up with an explanation for why she let the vote sit there for so long without doing anything about it. Also falls in line with the feelings I had regarding Natiko for most of Day 1; sitting back and just waiting for things to happen to react to, not going and trying to get those for yourself.



You may have answered this before but what made you vote for BB originally? You had your Acohrs vote so why not stay on who you felt was Scum then go in and vote for someone you didn't feel strongly about?



Fair, I agree with the bolded though. It's extremely unlikely that we have 2 Scum players claim Ordinary right at the end like that.



Despite him claiming the only Ordinary Townie in the entire game? When you are supposedly Ordinary yourself?

More questions.

I explained my reasons above to Monkey.

But I would like to know what made 30 go back to his 'original vote'.



No. The way Night Actions work is they all 'happen' at the same time and the results are given out after everything is taken care of. Unless it's a mechanic besides Night Actions, which the Mod will inform the Players of, all information is given to Players once the actions are said and done. So a Scum Team can't get an Information check before deciding the rest of their actions.



Ask the person who claimed the only Vanilla in the entire game.

My question is if you were ordinary and someone came out and said 'I'm the only Ordinary around! That's me! That makes me practically confirmed Town!" why would you not say anything? Palmer was touting his 'the only Ordinary' claim as a reason for being Town and if you knew that was a lie why not counterclaim or even push for him?

More questions and focusing on the vanillas. If she's scum, she knows we're probably all 3 vanilla, but it's in her interest to try and distract us with this, and keep us at each others throats.

Apologies for not being here much today, been struggling to focus on this game lately. I do want to say that I won't be here a ton this Day Phase; I've got a Final tomorrow and on Tuesday I'll be out of town all day. I'm also going to be at work up until Day End so....I'll be here when I can. Sorry, I'll try and pick up the pace the next Day Phase.



So was that before or after this post:

Here

Because the above quote makes me think you came to that decision after all the conversation but if that's the case why did you say what I linked?



To be honest most ( i.e. all ) of the early Palmer voters need some explanation for their votes here. Blarg, Isaac, and Stan since all they had going for their votes was his claim at that point and some vague reasons for why they voted.



Going to throw my two cents in on this but we have a few possibilities but we won't know for certain until we get another Night Phase to pass. It's possible he was the target of an SK and the Scum Kill was blocked but we can't know that for certain unless we get 2 Kills this coming Night Phase. Also Flavor =/= game mechanics but that doesn't rule out a Switcher possibly targeting SexyFish and whoever the original target was. It's also possible he was the original Scum Kill and was likely targeted for being quiet/a non-presence and would therefore yield little info, although why him over the other quieter players I have no idea, nothing in a quick re-read suggests anything one way or the other. He did have a vote on BB but I feel like you could argue that both ways between him and Dragonz and WIFOM it to death.

Same goes with the question of why a quiet player and not an active voice as the kill if nothing was switched/Scum killed SexyFish. It's hard to gauge anything off of one NK but if we have a pattern of quiet players being killed over loud players I'd look into the active crowd for Scum since their 'pool' is larger.



Then currently with the events that have transpired what are your thoughts on BB/Dragonz/Palmer now?



To be honest when you said you would be busy for the whole weekend I didn't question it. When it comes to those real-life excuses it's not something I usually turn around and go 'well hey wait a second...'

Does that mean you think Dragonz is Scum? Or did you just pull BB's name out?



Palmer I'm going to bop you over the head



At least explain something in regards to your vote/list besides 'yup this is it'.

You said earlier that you want to put pressure on those who voted for you early on and see how the Vanilla claims act but why do you have Isaac and Stan lower on your list than those who didn't vote for you, i.e. Burb and Nat. Similarly your thoughts on Dr. Worm and Blarg, since last I knew you voted for Blarg on Day 1 as a joking 'he annoys me' and I can't recall your thoughts on Worm.



Pretty sure somebody already asked you about Launch but why BB as least Scum?

Lots more questions. Floats an early theory about SF not being the scum kill.

The past few games ( i.e. like the past 2 Seasons ) has had Scum dominating by mostly coasting through their games save like 1 or 2 members. Town lately has only gone after the active posters and are usually letting the coasters/inactives fall to the side as they destroy themselves and Scum have found they can hide there with little issue. It's likely why a few people have such a strong 'let's focus/lynch inactives' because ignoring that is what has been helping Town lose games.



It's convenient but for the record I don't see a ton of issue with it. :x



I know you're confirmed Town but your logic doesn't make any sense.

So you feel Swamped is Scum only because of interactions with Darryl/Dragonz but seeing as we don't know the alignment of the latter Players why are you still voting for Swamped? By your own logic and read shouldn't you be focusing on those two instead of bandwagoning onto Swamped just because everyone else is doing it?

Still a ton of questions but like no commitment to any actual stance, except kinda protecting swamped?

I'm catching up a bit before class start but like

Seriously Palmer, knock it off. We get it, aggressiveness is your shtick but do you really have to go and insult someone every 3 posts? It's insanely tiring and not constructive at all.

Starts to give up.

People might listen to you if you didn't turn around and throw personal insults at people who disagree with you. Like hey you're frustrated, sure, but you don't have to go around and ruin everyone else's enjoyment because of it.

and she's done.

That was a lot of wasted reading. As far as i can tell her only actual hard stance was against a townie whose bandwagon she jumped on at the last minute. Not sure what to make of her going after the voters on me. I scum read all of this, but not by much. It's mostly circumstantial based on who I think her scum partners are.

 

[hey_monkey]

Is this your idea? Wasn't Dragz flipping scum supposed to lead to Swamped? Cause I don't want a bar of your fruit-loopery. You're shooting for scum mvp status. Can anyone sane please answer my question.

I'm not voting till I see a cognitive argument from someone. Anyone. Well anyone who isn't LL.
I can't see swamped and I cant see acohrs.

UNVOTE

Did anyone follow up on this? I swear, I missing some posts.

You can't see acohrs? Why not?

The Swamped faction (minus Lifeline, who is doing Lifeline things) focuses largely on her end of day 1 vote. The acohrs votes come from a number of things, many revisited in the last page, page and a half of posts.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

I think I'll wait for the movie version of Palmer's post to come out.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Did anyone follow up on this? I swear, I missing some posts.

You can't see acohrs? Why not?

The Swamped faction (minus Lifeline, who is doing Lifeline things) focuses largely on her end of day 1 vote. The acohrs votes come from a number of things, many revisited in the last page, page and a half of posts.

I can't see the scum reading of acohrs. Someone explain it to me. In English.

 

[Verelios]

I need a drink before dealing with Palmers shit(literal), but I'll be back later tonight with a read on him.

 

[Dr. Worm]

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Day 2 votes

acohrs (4)
hey_monkey 910
skyodin 1056
natiko 1225
blargonaut 1226 (1245)
swamped 1264

swamped (3)
launchpadmcq 650
lifeline 657 (748)
isaacnukem 851 (855)
isaacnukem 855
lifeline 911 (1134)
darryl 1143
lifeline 1144 (1318)

natiko (2)
acohrs 960
blargonaut 1245

blackbuzzard (1)
dr. worm 640 (1477)
skyodin 708 (791)
lifeline 1318

iaaacnukem (1)
wherearemahdragonz 885

stanleypalmtree (1)
palmer_v1 1018 (1494)
burbeting 1130
lifeline 1134 (1144)

dr.worm (1)
blackbuzzard 1071

30yearsofhate (1)
palmer_v1 1531

An up to date vote count can be found here

Majority is currently 10

Day 2 ends in

BlackBuzzard and palmer_v1, you should change your votes to "Dr. Worm" and "30yearsofhurt"

 

[Palmer_v1]

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BlackBuzzard and palmer_v1, you should change your votes to "Dr. Worm" and "30yearsofhurt"

Shit, thanks!

Vote: 30yearsofhurt

 

[hey_monkey]

I can't see the scum reading of acohrs. Someone explain it to me. In English.

Stan said something which I just re-found by accident. Here's mine. Natiko posted too but now I can't find it.

 

[hey_monkey]

Hello, I'm back. With 15 pages to read. Nice.

So did you go through those 15 pages and just look for references to you or nah?

 

[Dr. Worm]

I have to agree with Dragonz that I wouldn't see the point of you claiming anything at all if you were godfather. If anything, you would try to act just suspiciously enough to get a cop do a blue check on you, so this seems counterproductive to say the least.

It's not really about you having ulterior motives, it's about trying to figure out if scum can exploit your idea.

Sawneeks and 30yearsofhurt votes are fine mostly for D1 votes, but I do think it’s interesting how they came at the last 5 minutes to the day phase, same with swamped’s vote, obviously. So it’s possible that there is some scum there trying to push for a townie dragonz lynch at the last second, in case a scum was going to be lynched today. But it could easily be town v town vote.

What bothers me little more are the Palmer votes, though. There is the vote done by Natiko at the last minute of the day phase, but the other three were very safe and lazy votes. Blarg’s vote never got really explained during D1 (there might be something on D2, need to start reading it), but these two?

Just lazy lazy votes. But what’s interesting is that they did push Palmer to be the vote leader at the end of the day, so if he was a scum, could another scum have tried to push for another lynch? On D1 that would be bold and very visible scum tactic.

I'm little worried about town setting themselves up for a lynch chain.

Another question: Do you think a scum would dare to go for the dumb stunt that was the "Oh, town role names must start with THE, not THAT!?", which was something BB originated.

Here's the thing that worries me. Would scum, especially an experienced scum like swamped make so visible moves saving a teammate during first day phase? It's basically an early team suicide for day 1.

I'm not sure yet. If Day 1 was town v town vote, then scum could have easily just sit in the backseats and let it unfold. If one of the three vanilla claims are scum, then there's more likelyhood for scum interference, which would make swamped look worse.

This feels like a wrong thread to follow. All of SF's reads were more or less nullreads, there was nothing going to one way or another.

That kill seems like a logical choice for a town vig. I guess delayed kill is possible too, but that doesn't seem as likely, especially if that was a scum role. I see no motive for scum to target WAMD.

Launch, what are your thoughts on swamped now? Same for Lifeline.

I like the vast majority of Burbeting's opinions throughout; they all seem well-reasoned to me, and he makes some convincing arguments.

I almost feel like the problem is that it's too good, but I think I'm going to lean town on the bear.

 

[isaacnukem]

So did you go through those 15 pages and just look for references to you or nah?

I replied to those who have direct questions to me.

Keeping my vote on Swamped. If anything, that death of dragons reinforces my belief that Swamped saved Palmer. If Swamped flips scum, Palmer is too.

Also why are people claiming, is this how people here play?

 

[Dr. Worm]

I replied to those who have direct questions to me.

Keeping my vote on Swamped. If anything, that death of dragons reinforces my belief that Swamped saved Palmer. If Swamped flips scum, Palmer is too.

Do you have anything else to contribute? You seem awfully hung up on Palmer_v1 and Swamped.

Also why are people claiming, is this how people here play?

The claims make sense in the context in which they were made.

 

[hey_monkey]

I replied to those who have direct questions to me.

Keeping my vote on Swamped. If anything, that death of dragons reinforces my belief that Swamped saved Palmer. If Swamped flips scum, Palmer is too.

Also why are people claiming, is this how people here play?

Depends on the situation.

Why are you so convinced that Swamped and Palmer are scum?

 

[isaacnukem]

Well if it means anything I feel hey_moon is scum. Just a gut feel.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Well if it means anything I feel hey_moon is scum. Just a gut feel.

Please, do elaborate.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Stan said something which I just re-found by accident. Here's mine. Natiko posted too but now I can't find it.

Cheers, monkey. It clearly looks like he's lying low and coasting. There's little doubt I have about that now.
The question I have is he hiding because he's scum or because he's not vanilla in the most vanilla game of all vanillas that could vanilla.
If I was a cop I wouldn't be exactly screaming about it. I'd be letting the more vocal townies figure it out and then pick my targets off what others are saying.
If I was scum I'd be doing what LL or Palmer or yourself are doing and hide in plain sight. Like Cabot did in Anime. No-one, and I mean absolutely no-one questioned him about being scum.

We have to be careful and we should be getting info from people. The closest I've seen was this:

Shh BBy is okay.

VOTE: BlackBuzzard

Wut? I don't know what to make of it.

So instead we're running around like it's D1. Still going off gut reads.

 

[SkyOdin]

Cheers, monkey. It clearly looks like he's lying low and coasting. There's little doubt I have about that now.
The question I have is he hiding because he's scum or because he's not vanilla in the most vanilla game of all vanillas that could vanilla.
If I was a cop I wouldn't be exactly screaming about it. I'd be letting the more vocal townies figure it out and then pick my targets off what others are saying.
If I was scum I'd be doing what LL or Palmer or yourself are doing and hide in plain sight. Like Cabot did in Anime. No-one, and I mean absolutely no-one questioned him about being scum.

We have to be careful and we should be getting info from people. The closest I've seen was this:



Wut? I don't know what to make of it.

So instead we're running around like it's D1. Still going off gut reads.

Do you actually think that hey_monkey or Palmer are scum? You have made some insinuations about where scum is hiding, but who are you willing to accuse directly?

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Do you actually think that hey_monkey or Palmer are scum? You have made some insinuations about where scum is hiding, but who are you willing to accuse directly?

Absolutely not.
I just don't think that that "hiding" is a scum exclusive play. Nor is that the only way for scum to play. Scum would want to look like town, talk like town and act like town.
Hell they would probably want to vote like town too.

Outside of Dragz (apologies again Dragz) my biggest scum read was Palmer with his "I'm vanilla so lynch/kill someone else please". Plausible but there is only one way to tell if he's right. But then we got sidetracked with our whole "who is vanilla?" odyssey where we were going to string up Dragz (apologies yet again Dragz) for blurting "vanilla" under duress.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

yall really love to blather on about mechaics we know nothing about dont ya?

Advanced search, posts by specific user.

un-freaking believable
been playing mafia here for nearly 2 yeas an i never knew this.

Going through the thread, this seems a bit hypocritical to say Stan since I rated you both in the same coasting group and-

A bit too coincidental for both of you I labeled coasters to come out the woodwork in the same page. I'm half a mind to think this was because people began debating whether to lynch coasters first, and another thinks you two are laying down an antagonistic perception so if one flips the other can 'slink back to the shadows'.

so firstly, and this is more of a general thing, but this kinda hypocrysy is pretty much meaningless in trying to dispute any kind of read. its a dick move to be sure, but me being equally inactive or coasty or whatever has absolutely no effect on how scummy someone else looks.

more importantly, if you actually paid any attention you would see my scum read of him wasnt from his inactivity anyway, but how he acted upon his return.

also how is me bringing up acohrs then a coincidence? i made that read of achors immediately after blarg specifically asked me about him.

 

[Natiko]

Absolutely not.
I just don't think that that "hiding" is a scum exclusive play. Nor is that the only way for scum to play. Scum would want to look like town, talk like town and act like town.
Hell they would probably want to vote like town too.

Outside of Dragz (apologies again Dragz) my biggest scum read was Palmer with his "I'm vanilla so lynch/kill someone else please". Plausible but there is only one way to tell if he's right. But then we got sidetracked with our whole "who is vanilla?" odyssey where we were going to string up Dragz (apologies yet again Dragz) for blurting "vanilla" under duress.

Far and away the best strategy for scum lately has been to just not play. That's not hyperbole. I've only seen town win one game since I joined over half a year ago I believe.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Far and away the best strategy for scum lately has been to just not play. That's not hyperbole. I've only seen town win one game since I joined over half a year ago I believe.

I would love to discuss this exact issue in the spectator thread when we've all been lynched and killed. We've been playing for 9 days and we're still relying mostly on 'gut feels'.
Are we just shit or is the game unbalanced?
If you get a chance look at what I had to say on the Anime spectator thread about this.

[/rant]

 

[hey_monkey]

It'll be interesting to watch Brexit with the change to scum chat. Arkham is going well also.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I would love to discuss this exact issue in the spectator thread when we've all been lynched and killed. We've been playing for 9 days and we're still relying mostly on 'gut feels'.
Are we just shit or is the game unbalanced?
If you get a chance look at what I had to say on the Anime spectator thread about this.

[/rant]

So find some hard evidence. I've obviously been upset with town play, but that doesn't stop me from making my case and trying to back it up with evidence. I'm far from the only one either.

Feels like you're doing a lot of bitching without actually contributing right now.

 

[isaacnukem]

I know I'm new but honestly I would not play scum by coasting because it's not honorable.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

So find some hard evidence. I've obviously been upset with town play, but that doesn't stop me from making my case and trying to back it up with evidence. I'm far from the only one either.

Feels like you're doing a lot of bitching without actually contributing right now.

I have no words for you and your BS attitude palmer.
When you want to be civil, then come back and talk to me.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I have no words for you and your BS attitude palmer.
When you want to be civil, then come back and talk to me.

Good lord the cognitive dissonance you must be feeling. I'm on my phone but am I wrong in reading that he accused me, monkey, AND LL of being scum hiding in plain sight, than immediately contradicted himself when pressed by skyodin about it, then doubled down and contradicted himself again by accusing me of being scum, then went on a rant to call town shit because we aren't posting enough evidence for this Sherlock Holmes motherfucker, and THEN wants to play the victim when scary ole Mr Palmer calls him out.

That's some top shelf hole digging. Please proceed.

 

[Natiko]

I would love to discuss this exact issue in the spectator thread when we've all been lynched and killed. We've been playing for 9 days and we're still relying mostly on 'gut feels'.
Are we just shit or is the game unbalanced?
If you get a chance look at what I had to say on the Anime spectator thread about this.

[/rant]

Town has become lazy and easily distracted by those with high post counts. We almost never punish those that don't contribute so it's become easy for scum to just not bother. It's important to remember though that often if town is going to make a push for a win it comes by struggling for that first scum and then trying to logic out the connections from there. Just because we're still working with nothing solid does it mean we're in a bad position.

 

[Natiko]

Why the hell do we still have people with no vote down? If any of hou are town you're doing a disservice to us. You're just obfuscating the current situation and making it easier for scum to not be held accountable for their votes.

 

[hey_monkey]

I don't think 30 was accusing in that post. I think he was talking about highly active posters and how cabot managed to just fit right into that. But as soon as I read the post I thought, man, that's gonna get misread.

And actually, I think that's just part of it. Scum lazes around so we scrambled and push and build and construct narratives and asking each other direct questions about who we think is scum and what are reads are is going to feed into that. But we have to do it, at least early on, to get something going, so we can figure out what to do. And it's going to lend itself to all of the above, and if scum is sitting around in the shadows, well, guess what happens.

I'm still pretty new here but I've been reading a lot here and at the mafia scum forums. I mean, I'm a researcher, so surprise! I research. And so I think I'm not out of line when I say we need to be transparent and open and collaborative. Like, listen, I wanted to take the modkill and lose my temper all over Lifeline today. It's a game and we wanna win and we get competitive and we get in our feelings and there's anger and frustration. But we have to give some ground, too. People play differently, from different POVs, around time zone issues, with different strategies, so when something is off, we've got to explain and be clear and not assume and sometimes maybe we have to play with a little understanding of human foibles.

I dunno. I'm sure I sound real hearts and rainbows right now. But I'm not all hearts and rainbows. Even if you're not sure, fine, don't be sure, but get in there anyway and dig and look. Pick just one person, do Blarg's reads, do whatever, but fight for town, not with town. And be clear if you find things. Be transparent. Don't just say something is "towny" or "scummy." Explain it (because I think scum slides on that, too). If your reasoning sucks, well, maybe you were wrong but cool, you plant some seeds. You can find your own ways of doing this. Some people ask questions and muse; some people present both sides; some people go all in. None of these behaviors are always inherently scum. Frankly, I think that's lazy thinking. Gotta take the evidence and the person and the perceived intent and all of it together.

I dunno. These are my almost-2-am-thoughts after an evening of data coding so maybe I'm just fucking crazy.

Also I agree with Natiko. Vote someone.

 

[Verelios]

I am neither drunk enough or energized enough but I'm going over what Palmer called me out on earlier for being 'insubstantial' when I mentioned he mainly just veered away from his claim. These are the earliest posts, I'll be going over them sequentially, so think a long process.

Edit:

Do keep an active vote. It should be your first post of every day.

Vote: Blargonaut

I can never read him, and find even his most cogent town-play harmful to town, and for lack of any obvious coasters, I'll start here.

First post is a gut vote, which is reasonable. A lot of people can't read Blarg and use votes to prod or show where they are at the time.

Been mentioned in the past. That's why I wanted to clarify it because I'm not sure it's been brought up recently, and I don't want people misplaying this shit cause they think they're the only special flower.



Stealth edit nobody can prove: I'm gonna post a joke read list when I get home.

Giving some advice and mechanics talk, mostly inconsequential.

In what way? Do all the new(er) players know what role madness means?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Madness



You know what? I was considering this anyway, but this kinda reinforces my thought.

I'm the Vanilla Townie.

My bolded(slightly paraphrased) role name says i'm a casual pizza lover who only has it like once a month. That's basically the only difference between my role PM and the sample one, which can be found here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=236829534&postcount=1

Why would I claim?

1. It's low risk for town at this point, and gives everyone something solid to react to today.
2. Egotistical, but this increases my odds of not being Night Killed, and I'm better than average at scum hunting on our actual day phases. Assuming I'm telling the truth and haven't gone full Dusk.
3. I hate D1.
4. Fuck it.

Begins by outlining what role madness is and then why a vanilla claim is so rare. Follows with claiming a vanilla role. This was talked to death day 1, so all I'm going to say is I disagree with Palmer being worth more than any PR if he was ordinary and found this chain of events very selfish for day 1.

Recent history makes me disinclined to trust anything but my own scum hunting.

Doesn't have much to do with day 1, this is more like he was steering the days events into this kind of conversation. It seems like fishing for other roles to me.

To be fair, that wiki is from another site, so when it talks about meta trends, it doesn't always apply to us. I haven't actually paid any attention to any previous role madness games GAFIA has done(if any).

Mechanics talk, mostly fluff.

20 of us total, so assume 4 or 5 scum. There was a 94% chance they were hitting a power role anyway. Sure, that changes over time, but so does the value of a semi-confirmed townie. It also improves the odds of our PRs not getting wasted on me. I'm not worth protecting in any way, and it saves investigative roles some time, if they believe me.

Fluff and mostly self-serving justification for his preservation. Palmer appears to be trying hard to survive, so at this point maybe he's neutral?

What else could I possibly say? It's either true, in which case I've literally told you everything I could possibly know, or I'm lying, in which case I would just keep lying.

Another factor here is that i'm fairly certain there's only one vanilla townie. Would scum or a neutral risk getting counter claimed so early?

Actually, gafia can be pretty stupid, so ask yourself if scum/neutral Palmer would do that?

Btw, if I was on the outside of this issue, I would absolutely want anyone who could counter claim to do so.

Defending himself again, nothing very constructive.

Meh. I think effectively being a named townie on d1 is more valuable than whatever PR might bite it. Also remember that scum will still want to get rid of confirmed townies as it dilutes the pool of lynch candidates.

Once more, self-justification...also seems like saying he's not worth it to lynch?

Which part? One vanilla? That's just the trope. Having multiple ordinaries dilutes the role madness and then what is even the point?

If you mean the claim part, it's just basic logic to me. If I were lying, the risks far outweighs the benefits. I could immediately get counter claimed, or I could get caught by an investigator of some type. I'm basically super townie as long as I stick to this extremely narrow path, but if town ever catches me stepping off, they should rightfully hammer me.

If this was a safe claim provided by sawneeks, why would I waste it? I have a perfect excuse to skate through D1 already. Regardless of that, I've never struggled to act like town anyway. I would have been far better off saving the claim for a more desperate player.

Once more defending himself, and as was proven with Dragon, was wrong as she was confirmed ordinary. Therefore, according to Palmer someone's lying,

I was going to say I'm fairly risk averse as well, but then I remembered being a total dick about the archer missions, plus Star Wars in general. I was fairly low key for MGS and wrestling though. Pretty sure I was going out in a limb in anime though.

Just rambling now.

Spoiler

Fuck Volcano Island

Defensive fluff

Monkey is active so far, at least, and this is basically how she played anime, so it's consistent. Let's try and keep our lynching focused on the inactive for now.

Busy work

Godfather is definitely the most plausible version of me being scum. I'd pass cop checks, and wouldn't get caught using any night actions.

Interesting thought, why bring this up? Does he know for certain he won't be tracked at night, or is that he can't be tracked?

For all the reasons I stated before. That doesn't mean town shouldn't consider alternatives though. IF this was a scum gambit, Godfather is the most likely, followed by switcher, followed by... tailor? The latter doesn't work so well since it only shows up on death, and scum wouldn't throw a player away for that. Switcher could protect me for a few phases while they misdirected any checks on me, and we already discussed why godfather is possible. I was a godfather in WWE already though. I don't need day 1 gambits to play scum well.



Sorry, I meant Sophia, not you.

Defensive post

Basically my last post from a PC until next Monday. Kinda worried about the pace so far. How many people haven't even checked in yet?

Fluff

My preference would be low AND worthless activity > low activity people I can't read (blarg mostly right now) > lowest post count inactive players

Fluff

i don't think any version of my claim would be a good idea for scum. That's the entire point. Of all the ways to fuck up though, godfather would have the least negative impact.

Defense

I won't be 100% gone, I just can't really make substantial posts from a phone. It's day 1 anyway, though. All the interesting shit will go down in the final 4 hours or so.

Fluff

Definitely not playing Blarg's game.

Only person I'm somewhat getting scum vibes from is Natiko, but not enough that I'll let it override my desire to murder a coaster.

Good post, I can understand not wanting to get dragged into Blarg's pace.

Because I'm going to play the way I always play, which includes posting reads when applicable. The fucking mini game shit just gives people a smoke screen to hide behind.

Some would say Palmers ordinary claim was a way to stay active day 1 as he hasn't done much else unrelated to that.

Sorry, middle of an 8 hour drive right now so I'll review and post my thoughts in full later on.

In the meantime, Sophia, can you confirm your fluff is just fluff? The usage of the word swap seems very deliberate.

Fluff and mechanics

Also I'm generally very irritated that other (possible) counter claims didn't happen when I requested them. This was why I asked for counter claims immediately, so we could hash it out if I was wrong in my assumption.

One more post to follow.

Surprised to hear more ordinary claims, though I'm reluctant to believe everyone who claimed ordinary really is vanilla.

If I have to go through all 140 posts I'll either die of alcohol poisoning or exhaustion.

 

[hey_monkey]

I have things to weigh in on there, Verelios, but I'm going to bed so don't die. Posting to hold myself accountable.

 

[Blargonaut]

k back

UNVOTE: Natiko

VOTE: Swamped

I'll admit, I fucked up. But it was all for survival.

You're lying about being Poisoned?

Do you know what Dousing is?

So you're basically a 1-shot Bulletproof/Ascetic, is that it? And this saved you?

What did the Night-action PM you received informing you of this happening, say? Paraphrase it!

Did you hint at being Poisoned/Doused at any time Today BEFORE I brought it up? Did you breadcrumb that?

Did you breadcrumb your Role?

Do you know what breadcrumbs are?

Do you eat the crusts and ends of loaves?

Why were you so convinced that WAMD was scum/responsible for your "ailment"?

Did YOU assassinate WAMD? It's in Town's best interests if you claim responsibility if your mod-confirmed Town-ass backside actually did it yourself. Don't be leading us on a <FRUITLESS> hunt for the hunter if so. Because I can see a secret 1-shot Day-kill belonging to an Innocent Child UNLOCKING in your skill-tree, especially since your mod-confirmation was apparently TRIGGERED by someone visiting you last Night as you claim.

 

[Blargonaut]

oh yeah

Swamped, why do you feel you are being scum-read?

see, I learn from my mistake(s)

 

[Blargonaut]

WTF is Blargnaut

e: as in where are they?

They are like a majestic Growlithe I must pet. Majestic and completely insane

Where's Blargonaut?

WHAT DO YOU WANT

OVERRIDE ME THEN

 

[Blargonaut]

So, BlackBuzzard.

Joined any Cults lately

are you running one

 

[Blargonaut]

I only say this because your wordplay is quite zealous

I mean jealous

zealous

 

[Blargonaut]

Hi everyone im BlackBuzzard and i fucking love pineapple on anything! I will convince all you heathens that pineapple on anything is the best!

Expected from a disgusting heathen.

Read list

*snip*
09. [m] Palmer_v1 - CST A corgi that hates pineapple this is why cats are mans best friend not dogs!
*snip*
11. [f] Sawneeks - PST Evil woman devil woman burn her at the stake she is a witch!
*snip*
16. [m] acohrs - GMT Likes pineapple so i can see myself eating a slice with him maybe during a candle light dinner.
*snip*

*snip*

Funny how in your crusade for the truth you forgot all about WMD who you now read as town.

*snip*

Did you try to recruit Lifeline, BB

seems pineapple pizza's your hook, hmm?

Isn't that right, Inquisitor?

And was there a reason you kept referring to WAMD as "WMD"? Or is that just-as-clever Cold War wordplay as my 'Role MADness' drop

 

[Blargonaut]

No breadcrumb is safe

one tends to lose one's mind

 

[Blargonaut]

AND WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS:

But I'm town

Yeah, and i'm the pope.

 

[Lifeline]

Your observations clearly point to BB and I being part of the pineapple cult, where I serve as the pineapple pope. We are tasked with destroying WMD (Weapons of Mass Dragonz).

Ya figured it all out Blarg.

 

[Lifeline]

 

[Lifeline]

You're lying about being Poisoned?
Yes, maybe. IDK. I don't know if "being served pineapple pizza" means i was investigated, poisoned, doused, or night kill shot

Do you know what Dousing is?

The first part of being set alight in flames like a heathen witch

So you're basically a 1-shot Bulletproof/Ascetic, is that it? And this saved you?

Maybe

What did the Night-action PM you received informing you of this happening, say? Paraphrase it!

I didn't get any PMs. I was all lies. For survival.

Did you hint at being Poisoned/Doused at any time Today BEFORE I brought it up? Did you breadcrumb that?

Nope, I liked your idea and saw it as a chance to live another day

Did you breadcrumb your Role?

I guess, i said at the beginning of Day 2 that I thought i was vanilla

Do you know what breadcrumbs are?

If you follow them, they'll lead you to a candy house.

Do you eat the crusts and ends of loaves?

What do i look like, some kind of monster?

Why were you so convinced that WAMD was scum/responsible for your "ailment"?

I know she flipped town, but you have to admit her behavior Day 1 was suspect af

Did YOU assassinate WAMD? It's in Town's best interests if you claim responsibility if your mod-confirmed Town-ass backside actually did it yourself. Don't be leading us on a <FRUITLESS> hunt for the hunter if so. Because I can see a secret 1-shot Day-kill belonging to an Innocent Child UNLOCKING in your skill-tree, especially since your mod-confirmation was apparently TRIGGERED by someone visiting you last Night as you claim.

No, i'm completely useless after being revealed. Also before being revealed. There's that sweet spot when i'm actually revealed where i'm kinda useful

K, now can we move away from questioning confirmed towns and talk about how scummy Swamped is.

 

[Swamped]

I'd like to extend this question to Darryl and Swamped.

Where do you think we should go, and where do you expect us to go?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1374120

When I flip people need to look at Launchpad. Call it persecution complex, but I think Palmer put it well, he's capitalizing on a townie mistake. He said I must be scum because I was bussing Dragonz (the probability was high, in his words). Now that Dragonz has flipped, he's backtracking saying that I was protecting BB. This logic applies to many other players who were there at the time, like 30, and especially Monkey who actually did the exact same thing as me. She was on BB and then switched to Dragonz (although the vote didn't count). So why is he focused on me? He thinks I'll make an easy lynch, because my vote was recorded.

Swamped, how much of your vote on acohrs is selfish survival as opposed to you think they're scum or they're inactive.

I actually wasn't even thinking of survival when I voted for him today, but I guess it's a nice bonus. I am currently scum-reading acohrs. His insistence on SF's post as the reason mafia killed him didn't seem genuine. We don't even know if mafia targetted him, given LL's pizza. His interaction with Oreo was also strange. He replied to Oreo's theory about BB. I personally didn't understand the thought process, but Oreo seemed to perfectly. Just seemed odd. Also his D1 vote was a joke vote that he just left there.

oh yeah

Swamped, why do you feel you are being scum-read?

see, I learn from my mistake(s)

I can't tell if that vote is the usual thing you do when you call somebody out, or if it's secretly a bandwagon vote. It would be so convenient to just leave it there at day end, no?

I really want to know the answer to that too. It's really frustrating that I'm always naturally scum-read. On D1, LL scum read me for not being that active (among other things). This is how I play ok, this is my max activity! Like, I'm never going to be a 100 posts per day phase kinda person.

Today, people are scumreading me for switching my vote at the end of D1. I've explained it so many times. My goal was to ensure Palmer was not lynched and that there wasn't a tie. Is there something else that needs clarification? Please let me know.

 

[Lifeline]

Also are people just believing Dr. worm's read list being fake as a trap?

Is that a common gafia play?

 

[acohrs]

Time for Lifeline (feck you LL, you post too much):

481 - haha yeah, good times!
489 - readslist, doing godfather thing again which is in line with LL (was actually kind of right last time haha),

town - palmer, natiko, hey_monkey
scum (from least to most sure) - dr. worm, skyodin, darryl, WAMD(confirmed town)
godfather - swamped

496 - interesting that lifeline thinks scum have attempted failed bandwagons but doesn't state which ones, appearing to be town? Probably not, going with NAI

504 - clarifies to say he was talking about me last game, so not talking about any failed wagon in this game, previous point then is NAI

505 - swamped is godfather but votes WAMD, yeah OK, not going down this rabbit hole any more than that, at this point of reading, wondering how WAMD townflip will change this theory

517 - throwing shade at dr. worm, swamped, and me, consistent with earlier reads, but doesn't seem towny to me, could be scum or town tunneling

518 - goes back to the failed bandwagon attempts, still consistent, still unsure whether this is scum or town tunneling

525 - points out inactives and swamped inconsistencies, townlean

526 - hhm, interesting point if true, need to check

531 - further pressure on swamped for their inconsistency

544 - good times, eh lifeline?

547 - linking swamped back to dragonz, bit crazy theorizing, again can't tell if this elaborate theory is scum or town tunneling

551 - inactive readlist, meh

552 - more inactive policy lynch stuff, meh

555 - leans town on one of Dr.Worm's post and leans scum further on WAMD

557 - says if WAMD is scum then others on his list become more likely to be scum

560 - swamped not addressing the vote

561 - quotes himself

567 - more on swamped and WAMD as scum

569 - more of the same

576 - plan for town - stay divided and lose a town, vote WAMD and follow my theory

583 - reaffirms palmer being town and joke votes on him

587 - 'anyone voting and active at dayend should be top of scumlist' - ...ok? appearing to be towny? scummypost

590 - confident that mafia have the number and people at dayend to influence the vote, don't like how confidently they speak of mafia here, especially given the tie that occurred, scummypost

647 - brings up sawneeks involvement in the tie, townypost

652 - agree with lifeline here, NAI

657 - votes swamped but would rather vote WAMD, consistent in their theory despite a new dayphase and SF nightkill, still can't tell if scum or town tunneling

686 - scummypost, giving an out for some of the vanilla claimers

699 - more vanilla talk, states more peeps believe palmer's claim over BB's one

709 - interesting, goes from vote on swamped to wanting to turbo WAMD or BB, first real desire shown by lifeline to have bb killed, never scumread him before the last few posts, nullpost

712 - states that BB has lease believable vanilla claim

714 - believes at least one of the 3 vanilla claims on D1 was lying, doesn't state which

728 - neutral leans on isaacnukem, new point here

729 - adds that isaacnukem though Palmer was going to get lynched

733 - states that WAMD must be scum due to scum attempts to start another bandwagon

734 - states that mafia tried to lynch BB not tie the vote

736 - townypost, finally some actual solving instead of crackpost theories

741 - vanilla turboing policy

748 - suspects all on BB bandwagon, votes WAMD after admitting defeat on turbo attempt

907 - stops scumleaning on BB? says nobody defending BB is a sign of them not being scum. Don't like this, crazy theorizing of my own would suggest BB and LL were teammates appearing to suspect each other and then stop to erase suspicion, scummypost, not a solid theory and not rushing to vote either, but not a townypost
reaffirms desire for swamped or WAMD lynches

911 - votes swamped again

942 - continued suspicion of dr. worm and sawneeks, new suspicion of 30years and hey_monkey

1002 - points out BB scumread WAMD but didn't vote for her, townypost

1040 - claims WAMD poisoned him, now know this isn't true, poisoner still on the run

1054 - consistent scum readslist with the last one, NAI

1072 - turns to Dr. Worm to pressure them

1080 - neutral killed SF in LL's view, NAI

1097 - shade on hey_monkey who LL townread early on, didn't put them in their latest scum readslist but obviously changing their opinion of them, NAI for now

1107 - more shade on hey_monkey

1109 - connects hey_monkey to swamped and finally scumreads them, I think? scummypost, trying to make original crazy theory work rather than updating it to fit current game narratives

1134 - prodvotes stan, NAI

1301 - ...u wot m8?

1313 - WAMD townflips, can actually see LL's heartbreak in slow motion

1318 - switches vote to BB

1321 - how do you know assassinator has one kill? scummypost

1327 - damn right skippy

1332 - confirms themself as town PR

1334 - wants to target vanillas until we find out who the real vanilla is, assumes there is only one vanilla. Why target town roles without credible evidence? not very towny, scummypost

1346 - states their role is town innocent child

1349 - clarifies that is a PR that becomes vanilla town after using,

1353 - OK, now I'm confused, is LL town or neutral that becomes town?

1356 - back onto suspecting BB, still going with their theory

1369 - now questions how easily launch jumped on WAMD, states palmer was a failed scum bandwagon

1375 - further shade on hey_monkey and swamped

1380 - interesting post, connection between Blarg and LL? Unclear, need more data

1403 - shade on natiko now, this is new, start of nomadic neutralread

1408 - ... u wot m8?

1498 - isaacnukem neutralread

Conclusion - town until counterclaimed, but also playing very inline with lifeline from Arkham, loves a theory but will shoehorn to make stuff fit the theory rather than admit theory was wrong. Even scum try to be so obviously less inconsistent.

 

[acohrs]

that's an hour and a half of my life I will never get back

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

i should place a vote

vote: acohrs

this vote may change before i got to sleep and miss out on all those jolly last minute shenanagins.
it also may not.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I just want to point out that Swamped has done nothing to get herself off my radar. Her posts have amounted to "I would defend myself but I don't think that would appease Launchpad" and some really screwy line of thinking. Her behavior since being called out is also worth noting, as she comes in, posts a few times, then disappears. It's a form of coasting in my eyes, and it's important to note that she's trying to just stay active enough to keep off of people's radars.

LaunchpadMcQ, where do you think we should be going on D3 in the event that we lynch Swamped and she flips town?

I'd like to take a closer look at Sawneeks/Nomadic, because they are very much coasting and making a bunch of non-committal statements.

Launch replaced moon, who was a nothing read, and I don't even have a baseline to go off of from previous games. Launch himself came in hard, and is doing a great job of at least SEEMING like town, though I question his tunneling on WAMD and Swamped. If swamped flipped town, he'd probably be my #1 scum suspect. i'm just noticing thatmoon is a no lynch vote D1 which is a big red flag for me normally.

I just want to point out, I did not go all in on WAMD. I would not be afraid of admitting it if I did, but I definitely did not commit to that or else my vote would have been on her. I take responsibility for my actions. Saying I did this is misconstruing my words in an alarmingly suspicious way.

 

[acohrs]

rereading lifeline's many posts, I do agree with his suspicion of swamped given the way D1 ended, don't like that swerve from one of their posts to their dayend vote

vote:swamped

until I see a flip, dayend D1 will always be a question mark for me