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[StanleyPalmtree]

I will say one thing Stanley, your initial defense against Lifeline's accusations was pretty weak. It came down to calling people idiots for listening to Lifeline. But while Lifeline has made some big mistakes and is practically Blarg 2.0, he has also been right about things as well. While some of his reasoning was wrong, he did identify Swamped as scum on Day 1, and practically forced her critical error with the last minute vote. Lifeline was strongly pushing a narrative that Swamped and Dragonz were scum partners, so Swamped may have felt that a town flip on Dragonz would make her look like town as well.

So while I don't always understand Lifeline, I don't think he is a fool, intentionally trying to throw the game, or anything like that. So I extend to him the same respect and consideration I give any player who puts together an argument with evidence. I don't think his reasoning is necessarily correct, but there is no logic in dismissing it out of hand.

i dont want people to just ignore lifeline outright, by all means listen and consider anything he has to say, but both you and darryl initially appeared to be taking his (really bullshit) case with little thought or investigating of your own, and that is something that i will stand by being incredibly stupid.

 

[Darryl]

I really don't get this. Whose posts do you read, then?

I wasn't here after Blarg showed up D1. I was out the entire day. I showed up again D2 and didn't bother to go back over those fluff posts. I usually read without attributing identity to posts and then reread whatever posts stand out as important or people who I am on the look out for. If I'm not selectively reading Blargs posts, I probably just skimmed them and didn't think about it much. Sometimes I read fewer posts more times. I would hope everyone filters to try to get the results they want: winning results.

 

[hey_monkey]

welp, you do you, I guess.

 

[Darryl]

I bet if we threatened to vote Palmer, he would show up.

 

[hey_monkey]

Probably, and I would because I always have this terrible feeling Palmer is masterminding us but he hasn't been on any of the suspicious votes.

Maybe that's his master plan. He'll just look as right as possible. Pure, pristine, scummy Palmer.

 

[Darryl]

He's about as dead as any of the other posters. I have had a gut feeling he's a neutral, as he neither has the tone of town but he doesn't appear to be acting malicious, just disinterested.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

actually that reminds me, earlier someone mentioned something about payers who have significantly dropped in activity, (but that argument kinda made me completely forget about it), but Palmer actually fits that pretty neatly,
i think it was going from day 2 to 3 his postcount dropped a ton, which to be fair was kinda inevitable given that it was in the triple digits before that.

though im not sure if that can be taken to be a nessisarily scummy thing?

 

[hey_monkey]

Early on I wondered if Palmer was neutral. His role name sounds kinda weird too but then a lot of them could be ambiguous. He does seem to be genuinely hunting when he's here, though.

 

[Dr. Worm]

I'm pretty lost on where to go for the time being tbh and I've mostly just been reviewing and rereviewing the circumstances

Without anything to suggest we have a hostile neutral, I think it's best of if we hold off on lynching any further neutral claims for the time being, as I don't see that line of thinking going anywhere right now

Launch, I could maybe see - he's made some questionable moves, to be sure - but I don't see how that reconciles with his pushing Palmer earlier in the game when he would've been already breadcrumbing his vanilla claim

I wouldn't want him at endgame, but NS is probably town. Ditto for Lifeline. monkey and Odin should be safe.

I'm barely putting isaacnukem is town for now, but I'm probably going to have to reference his claim to his posts during the Night. ditto Darryl, I guess

that would leave StanleyPalmtree and timetokill. between the two, I'd probably just go with timetokill on Palmer's hunch from D2.

I'm wondering if Stan's grudge against Palmer from D1 is because he's town as well, but maybe I'm just losing my marbles

 

[hey_monkey]

Yeah, even if Palmer is neutral I'm not fussy about it. ttk is my biggest guess at scum right now.

 

[timetokill]

Wow you guys think palmer is neutral huh

So your take is "well he lied to us right from the beginning but hey that's okay"

 

[hey_monkey]

Speaking for myself, people lie in mafia. If it's not disruptive and doesn't hinder town particularly, I'm not fussy. Dunno how the others feel.

At this point, I do tend to believe Palmer is town. He seems legitimately contrite about starting the whole vanilla thing, he hasn't had suspicious votes, and he's been hunting. It's just that he's Palmer and his activity has dropped and without much else going around, well, it gives us something to think about.

 

[SkyOdin]

Wow you guys think palmer is neutral huh

So your take is "well he lied to us right from the beginning but hey that's okay"

No, it is closer to: we are afraid that he has been lying to us this whole time, but we lack any real evidence to support that theory yet. If anything, the continued number of vanilla claims/flips only solidifies Palmer's initial claim. The big worry now is Palmer's dramatic drop in activity. However, it sorta seems like he is busy in real life, too.

If we had a bunch of people dying every night, I would be worried about a serial killer, but that hasn't been the case. So far, it appears that we have had a sibgle mafia night kill every night plus Burbeting's one vigilante night kill. Nomadic Spark's claim and some stuff Blarg said may contradict that, but those are unconfirmed. So if we have a neutral, they are something other than a serial killer.

I do find the idea someone floated of a recruitable secret partner to mafia to be possible, but on the other hand I think Blarg or Swamped's flip would have mentioned that.

If we do have a neutral, what is their win condition? Doesn't appear to be serial killer or lyncher. I doubt it would be a simple survivor like Blarg claimed.

 

[timetokill]

Wouldn't the number of vanilla claims and flips actually diminish his claim? Or do we think that there's just a bunch of vanilla players in a role madness game?

 

[timetokill]

ttk is my biggest guess at scum right now.

i agree with this read but what in particular makes you think so?

 

[timetokill]

If we do have a neutral, what is their win condition? Doesn't appear to be serial killer or lyncher. I doubt it would be a simple survivor like Blarg claimed.

Well, Palmer mentioned Tanner, which wins by themselves if they manage to get themselves lynched.

 

[SkyOdin]

Wouldn't the number of vanilla claims and flips actually diminish his claim? Or do we think that there's just a bunch of vanilla players in a role madness game?

Well, having two people flip vanilla puts some of my initial speculation, that there were not many vanilla players, into doubt. I am inclined to believe that a few of the vanilla claims are honest, at least. So I can understand Palmer believing that he was the only vanilla player, though I still question the decision he made to claim on day 1.

Well, Palmer mentioned Tanner, which wins by themselves if they manage to get themselves lynched.

While we have some crazy stuff in this game, I would think that my role fulfills that niche already. I don't think anyone has been acting like a tanner either. Most of the "lynch me!" stuff reads more as frustration leading to bursts of trolling.

 

[timetokill]

Maybe it's frustration that Palmer brought up the possibility of a Tanner when others hadn't really considered it before

 

[timetokill]

Gonna play some MK and then probably hit the hay. Looks like I'll probably have to reveal tomorrow.

 

[acohrs]

unvote

Town backup huh?

Hmm...

Stan or Isaac? ...isaac!

vote: isaacnukem

 

[Lifeline]

but Lineline cherry-picks, so even when he happens to get something right, the arguments are ill constructed and not worth trusting. For example:

For Example:

he was having a back and forth with isaac and he said what isaac was saying made sense, not that Blarg's story did.

Great researching Monkey, all that work and you looked at the wrong post. Congratulations. Here's the post I was talking about: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=238325403&postcount=2594

not only is there some cherry-picking going on, some of it is just plain wrong

What was plain wrong monkey? I pointed out what was plain wrong with your post, can you do the same for me?

He didn't vote for Blarg because it would have put him close to turbo and we all talked about not wanting to turbo.

Truboing a red check is a big no no, but fuck it let's all turbo BB the obviously fucking town for no reason at all.

Lifeline started going in on Stan during these posts and Stan corrected it then, too.

"Corrected". Here's my attack post on Stanley: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=238345863&postcount=2664 and here was his "correction": http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=238347054&postcount=2671

His "correction" has him believing and defending Blarg even more that the posts I pointed out in my attack:

In his correction he
- Believes Natiko may be scum theory: which was the worst and most unbelievable part of Blarg's defense of this actions.
- Defends Blarg by saying Blarg helping town would be in his best interests
- Admits he didn't ask Blarg any questions, just answered other people's questions on Blarg for him. Says he will start doing it. Didn't do it.

Are you that obsessed being opposite me that you're ignoring obvious scummy moves like this. I mean sure none of this "confirms" he is scum, but ignoring scummy behavior is just stupid.

If we lynch everyone who did Blarg's reads, we'd be hosed.
WAMD was town, so.
Stan and Palmer have some historical friction as best I can tell. Who else voted for Palmer? Isaac, who Stan reads as scum. Also me. Probably others. I'd have to go look.

I'm not saying to lynch everyone who did Blarg's list. But nice job creating a strawman to help your argument. And yeah I did mention Stan town read WAMD as town, you know why? Because I'm not cherrypicking as you're so hell bent on proving that I am. Also scum scumreading town who are not being suspicious and are not likely to be lynched on Day 1 would be the stupidest move.

You wanna get on someone for this, why not me? I said go ahead and do it.

Oh look, more strawmen. Yeah, the only reason I want to lynch Stan is because of him hammering BB. Just ignore all the other connections to Blarg and scummy behavior I mentioned.

 

[Lifeline]

your an absolute idiot if you take anything that piece of trash says at face value.

Have Fun!

 

[Palmer_v1]

I'm frustrated cause we're going in circles. I have been busier than normal IRL, but even when I've had time to come post, I've procrastinated and done other stuff cause this game is just aggravating to me. There are so many self-sabotaging town(?) that I don't know what to do.

I've made my case for 30/TTK, and have no intention to change it today. They just accused me of being a Tanner FFS.

One, GAF doesn't do Tanners.

Two, y'all really fucking think I couldn't get lynched if I wanted to?

No one thinks it's odd how difficult it has been to lynch ttk? Like scum is willing to bandwagon about 5 different people, but somehow not 30?

 

[Palmer_v1]

Probably, and I would because I always have this terrible feeling Palmer is masterminding us but he hasn't been on any of the suspicious votes.

Maybe that's his master plan. He'll just look as right as possible. Pure, pristine, scummy Palmer.

Not sure if you've read other games, but yes, I'm fairly good at being scum because I just play it like I'm town still. If scum does some dumb shit, I'll jump on them just like I do anyone. If someone is obviously town, I'm not going to waste time casting aspersions for a long shot lynch. I'll NK them and move on.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

In his correction he
- Believes Natiko may be scum theory: which was the worst and most unbelievable part of Blarg's defense of this actions.
- Defends Blarg by saying Blarg helping town would be in his best interests
- Admits he didn't ask Blarg any questions, just answered other people's questions on Blarg for him. Says he will start doing it. Didn't do it.

can i get some receipts on the two bolded pls?

and to the rest,
ehhh yada yada F is for futile.

 

[isaacnukem]

I won't be up in 7 hours.

VOTE: timetokill

 

[isaacnukem]

I remember timetokill as the other person who supported me in my crusade against hey_monkey and SkyOdin.

Hey Palmer, hope we're buds now.

 

[hey_monkey]

I'm frustrated cause we're going in circles. I have been busier than normal IRL, but even when I've had time to come post, I've procrastinated and done other stuff cause this game is just aggravating to me. There are so many self-sabotaging town(?) that I don't know what to do.

man, I am in this box with you. Part of why I was all like, let's just hammer BB. And we're still in that same space, basically.

Maybe it's frustration that Palmer brought up the possibility of a Tanner when others hadn't really considered it before

Gonna play some MK and then probably hit the hay. Looks like I'll probably have to reveal tomorrow.

I don't know what you're hinting around at and why you keep hinting around at it, but if you want reasoning on why I'm scumreading you, that's part of it, and I've said as much in the past. This coy dangling of information that you're apparently still planning to withhold until, when? When half the active players aren't around due to timezones? is not particularly pro-town.

I don't know as much about roles and what's possible for GAFia or not so whatever you think must be super obvious about your role is not to me. If you have information that will help town, you should give it; you haven't, therefore for that and other reasons you appear scummy.

 

[hey_monkey]

Can we get a new count for the page, please? I'm looking at the count page and I'm not seeing isaac's vote but it looks correct...

 

[Sophia]

Can we get a new count for the page, please? I'm looking at the count page and I'm not seeing isaac's vote but it looks correct...

Give me a moment. I just got to my PC.



Day 5 votes:

dr. worm (0)
timetokill 3565 (3838)

nomadic sparks (1)
launchpadmcq 3589 (3712)
stanleypalmtree 3614

timetokill (5)
dr. worm 3633
hey_monkey 3634 (3775)
palmer_v1 3691
hey_monkey 3826
launchpadmcq 3828 (3835)
timetokill 3838
isaacnukem 3926

launchpadmcq (1)
skyodin 3700
nomadic sparks 3701 (3752)
darryl 3751 (3855)

lifeline (0)
nomadic sparks 3752 (3886)
hey_monkey 3775 (3784)

stanleypalmtree (1)
lifeline 3762
darryl 3855 (3880)

darryl (0)
acohrs 3812 (3920)

novote (1)
darryl 3880

isaacnukem (1)
acohrs 3920

An up to date vote count can be found here. If the vote count tool is inaccurate, click recount, wait until it says "Done" and then do a hard refresh (Shift click your refresh button, usually) to get it to show up.

Majority is 7

Day 5 ends in:

Reminder: Starting from Night 5, we will be speeding up the pace of the game. Nights will be 24 hours long, and Days will be 48 hours long.

 

[hey_monkey]

Thank you, Android Overlord!

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

sooooooo
i take it a Nomadic Sparks lynch aint happening?

kinda ticked off that everyone seems to just be ignoring him, but ehh,
i pretty much fine with a TTK lynch. if not quite as sold as many here.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

on one hand, i want to put down a TTK vote,
on the other hand i dont want to push it right up to 1 off of majority,
on the other other hand, its only 5 hours to go and i kindadoubt much s gon happen in that time,
on the other other other hand, i will find it hilarious if LL tries to get on my case again about abstaining from another lynch i supported,
on the other other other other hand hes probs gon get mad at me regardless, and ill have my jollies either way,

decisions decisions.

 

[hey_monkey]

Speaking for myself, ttk is making clear anti-town decisions so she's on first. Nomadic Sparks has been very questionable but has also been the backup vote for scum. How do you reconcile that part, Stan?

 

[hey_monkey]

I can remove my vote for a bit. She keeps saying she's going to reveal something and I wanna see it.

unvote

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Speaking for myself, ttk is making clear anti-town decisions so she's on first. Nomadic Sparks has been very questionable but has also been the backup vote for scum. How do you reconcile that part, Stan?

i reiterate that its anoying that he seems to be being straight up ignored,
like i aint expecting everyone to follow my majestic lead and lynch him off to the sunset, but its been complete radio silence, dont know how anyone is actually leaning on him at all.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

I can remove my vote for a bit. She keeps saying she's going to reveal something and I wanna see it.

unvote

this is just a dastardly plot to lre my vote onto him so you can hammer him isnt it!!?!
AHAAAAA KNEW IT ALL ALONG!


no but for real much obliged.
vote: timetokill





why the hell am i still awake?

 

[hey_monkey]

i reiterate that its anoying that he seems to be being straight up ignored,
like i aint expecting everyone to follow my majestic lead and lynch him off to the sunset, but its been complete radio silence, dont know how anyone is actually leaning on him at all.

Dunno why you're awake but we been talking about Nomadic for days. Just after I compiled the vote stuff we noticed he was the scum safe vote. So uh... you should look into that.

 

[SkyOdin]

I understand that everyone is getting a little frustrated, but I do honestly think that town has been making progress overall. We have killed scum, and I think that all of our investigation and arguments are bearing fruit. So cheer up, town! We are still in a pretty good position.

Right now, it looks like timetokill is going to be the lynch target for today. Despite what Palmer said, I actually think it feels a touch too easy of a lynch. Still, 30years was on my early suspicion list, so I can't discount it entirely. Timetokill, if you are going to role laim, please give us a few hours to process it before the deadline.

On other subjects, I still suspect Launch over his suspicious votes, and I think Lifeline might be on to something with Stanley.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Dunno why you're awake but we been talking about Nomadic for days. Just after I compiled the vote stuff we noticed he was the scum safe vote. So uh... you should look into that.

.....
yeah im just gonna go sleep now.

have fun with your public execution.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I'm unlikely to be at a PC when the day ends, btw.

 

[acohrs]

This feels like B&B lynch all over again, too easy and no counter wagon. My hunch is that TTK is town and that's why no real counter wagon has formed, scum don't need to do it, can stick their votes on TTK or not and just ride this day until night.

Please don't lynch TTK not because they're not scummy looking but because scum seem to want us to lynch them

 

[hey_monkey]

This feels like B&B lynch all over again, too easy and no counter wagon. My hunch is that TTK is town and that's why no real counter wagon has formed, scum don't need to do it, can stick their votes on TTK or not and just ride this day until night.

Please don't lynch TTK not because they're not scummy looking but because scum seem to want us to lynch them

But what if there's only one scum left? Who is it? What if it's ttk? What if it's you? Stan? What if it IS Lifeline?

Who do you propose we lynch instead? Do you propose NO lynch?

 

[Darryl]

Just gonna go for Stanley. He's the scummiest player by far. Killing him would be cathartic after all of his angry huffing and puffing. And killing scum usually feels cathartic.

Vote: Stanleypalmtree

 

[Dr. Worm]

Vote: StanleyPalmtree

Sheeping Darryl, but I agree with hey_monkey's desire to hold off on timetokill for now at least, and acohrs has a good point in that we shouldn't form a complete consensus (and I find isaac pretty sus)

Not sure how much I can be on today

 

[Darryl]

Look at him trying to absolve himself of the results of this lynch. He knows damn well TTK is going to flip town and just feigns concern over Nomadic Sparks, who has barely said anything all game and doesn't even know what is going on. Nomadic Sparks didn't even know that Lifeline was confirmed town. Is NS feigning ignorance? Is that some kinda sick Gambit?

Yet, that's all Stanley can think about. All of this work we have put into reading through posts and all Stanley can do is feign concern over an inactive and absolve himself from participation.

Look at his scummery in action. Go look at him every day and you will see he has done the scummiest stuff possible, consistently.

 

[Palmer_v1]

We talk about a few of us whose activity has declined, but Stanley has gotten far more talkative as he came under threat.

I'm staying with TTK right now.

One big question I have is what do we stand to learn from Stanley's flip?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Are you guys going to sit there and tell me not one, but two, scum in this game are going to disappear when their asses are on the chopping block? Stanley is a mistake.

 

[Palmer_v1]

this is just a dastardly plot to lre my vote onto him so you can hammer him isnt it!!?!
AHAAAAA KNEW IT ALL ALONG!


no but for real much obliged.
vote: timetokill





why the hell am i still awake?

He seems fine having this in hammer range, so....

Unvote

 

[Darryl]

We talk about a few of us whose activity has declined, but Stanley has gotten far more talkative as he came under threat.

I'm staying with TTK right now.

One big question I have is what do we stand to learn from Stanley's flip?

What do we have to learn from TTK? I'm not lynching to learn, I'm lynching to find scum.