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Pineapple Pizza Mafia |OT| The War On Fruit Pizza

Darryl

Banned
He came into day 2 and had two people that he could have voted for with the exact same reasoning, Natiko and Swamped, for causing that day 1 tie. I don't see him subbing in and jumping on a bus that fast. Partially contingent on how he was as she got closer to dying but if he is going for that easy logic, I see him dropping the vote on Natiko instead as scum.

Idk if you were following the game from the side, but from my POV, I felt like Launch had abandoned me during the D2 lynch in chasing Swamped. You can go back and look at posts where I try to persuade him to come back. Swamped was very much as risk of losing steam that day.
 

Darryl

Banned
I'm in a rut. On one hand, I kinda do think TTK is telling the truth. But, it's such a risky move to let them live.

Palmer died. So why did anyone kill Palmer? Could it have been because he is after TTK nonstop - self pres? Could it have been apart of stanpadMcscumtrees attempt to frame me as I have been hot on Palmer?

TTK can't read anymore. If we can't find scum, the neutral will just work against town in the end once we get close to outnumbered. We can prevent that scenario, get clarity, and even a chance at lynching scum.

Palmer can get his wish in his afterlife. He chased it the entire game so we may as well see if he was onto something now that we know he is town. Maybe he saw something that I just couldn't see

I agree with TTK lynch. If she flips not scum, I'll be green checked, so if NKed I might as well state that I don't really have a town read on Dr. Worm. I only said that because I was spreading inconsequential town reads around for self preservation. Don't hesitate to lynch him if I am gone

I really think there is scum lying somewhere between Stanley, Launch, and Dr. Worm.
 
I've done a completely 180 on SkyOdin

Either he is neutral or he is town

I've seen some convincing arguments on both sides but SkyOdin imo has been giving consistently reads since I've subbed in.
 
lol I see Nomadic Sparks game plan now

1. Hardly post
2. When you do post, post nonsense
3. Occasionally say you believe somebody is town and that you're totally in their corner
4. Rinse and repeat

Sparks can you give a read based on anything? Or even write a complete paragraph at some point this game?
 

Sorian

Banned
Idk if you were following the game from the side, but from my POV, I felt like Launch had abandoned me during the D2 lynch in chasing Swamped. You can go back and look at posts where I try to persuade him to come back. Swamped was very much as risk of losing steam that day.

Aside from reading the start of day 2 and seeing Sexy dead and Lifeline verified town (fun coincidence), I had not read any of this thread before yesterday.
 
Random thought as I read through some roles on the wiki

What are the chances Verelios was a godfather scum character and that scum covered up his death to hide it?

... anyway as this is only my 2nd game of mafia I kind of feel like there are some obvious things I'm missing. A little frustrating.

sidenote: who would you guys recommend for a last shot?

as I've said multiple times in this game I'm annoyed by coasters, i'm not sure what the current post counts are for today but eh. almost tempted to just vote for whoever has the lowest at the end of the day.

re: my role, I have one secondary command to use ("CONTINUE?:") and if it misses I have to hope town wins

meta thought: i think that this being a role madness game, two "cops" isn't that unusual especially since my role was incentivized to not specifically hunt scum, but it was a side benefit

can love bloom on the pineapple pizza battlefield, you guys?
 
if timetokill has a shot left, I think we should let her live. If she's neutral, scum kills her, maybe, to prevent us getting info; if she lives, maybe we get another check and we can always flip her tomorrow. It's risky. She could be scum. But I'm throwing out ideas. I am leaning toward believing her on the face but her role seems awfully weird. I almost want to flip her just to see it. If we leave her, who do we suggest she check - Dr. Worm? Isaac? Launch?

Is CONTINUE? your player 2 action, ttk?

I am not against the idea of Verelios being godfather, but would that be OP if he was godfather AND he was hidden on the flip? was that his latent ability or a one-shot thing scum could apply, like giving a bulletproof vest? Literally asking; I have no idea. But I can't get around the idea of Verelios being town. Neutral or scum. Not town.

Sorian, can you give us info about your role card? Lifeline didn't really. And I'm curious.
 
I'm not sure monkey, but my thinking was that among the remaining scum left, it could be that one had a one shot cover up and covered up Vere's Godfather

Though I think it's more likely that Vere was town or neutral and somebody else covered it up, but for what reason I don't know yet
 
Looking back at votes days 3, 4, and 5:

acohrs took his vote off Blargonaut and moved it to BB. Then to Nomadic Sparks. He did not end the day with a Blarg vote. These were the other people who ended up there:

lifeline 3002
verelios 3003
acohrs 3053
timetokill 3055
blargonaut 3078

Of these, Blarg is confirmed scum. Lifeline was Lifeline - maybe Sorian can give us some insight there or not. timetokill we've been over a million times; that whole day is just one big sus parade for her. Verelios is our mystery. And then acohrs. And Stan, as has been established, did not have an active vote that day, which some read as suspect. I think Stan's lynchproof is good town indication so I'm not fussed but putting it out there just because.

Day 4, acohrs was happy to vote BB because he'd been voting BB frequently. BB and Nomadic Sparks voted for acohrs. Dr. Worm voted timetokill based on 30years' earlier actions. isaac continued to tunnel on Palmer. Everyone else voted BB.

Day 5, acohrs voted for Darryl and isaac, who no one else was voting for, and then moved to Stan with the others. I briefly, shamefully, voted Lifeline; so did NS. Launch and Stan voted for Nomadic. ttk saved herself from a near lynch and Stan went down, but got up again. The votes on that one are pretty fascinating in that Darryl pushed hard and unvoted twice before settling. But there was a lot of back and forth. A few people had voted for Launch and stayed there. It was a messy day.

But looking back at all this, I do think acohrs is suspicious. I think most of what clears him may be illusory. I could be wrong, but.

and now bed.
 
DAY 6 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

timetokill (4)
SkyOdin 4154 4157
hey_monkey 4155 4162
LaunchpadMcQ 4167 4176
isaacnukem 4169
Sorian 4174
StanleyPalmtree 4181
Dr. Worm 4248 4263
Nomadic Sparks 4303

LaunchpadMcQ (1)
hey_monkey 4163 4242
timetokill 4258

isaacnukem (1)
Dr. Worm 4275 4276
Dr. Worm 4276

acohrs (1)
hey_monkey 4242
Nomadic Sparks 4244 4296

StanleyPalmtree (0): Nomadic Sparks 4132 4243

Darryl (0): LaunchpadMcQ 4102 4167

Nomadic Sparks (0): StanleyPalmtree 4084 4181

No active vote for Day 6: acohrs, Darryl, LaunchpadMcQ (has previously voted), SkyOdin (has previously voted)

Day 6 Postcount: acohrs 5, Darryl 23, Dr. Worm 29, timetokill 10, hey_monkey 44, isaacnukem 12, Sorian 19, LaunchpadMcQ 41, Nomadic Sparks 10, SkyOdin 17, StanleyPalmtree 16


Day 6 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

6 votes for majority
 

Sorian

Banned
Random thought as I read through some roles on the wiki

What are the chances Verelios was a godfather scum character and that scum covered up his death to hide it?

... anyway as this is only my 2nd game of mafia I kind of feel like there are some obvious things I'm missing. A little frustrating.

sidenote: who would you guys recommend for a last shot?

as I've said multiple times in this game I'm annoyed by coasters, i'm not sure what the current post counts are for today but eh. almost tempted to just vote for whoever has the lowest at the end of the day.

re: my role, I have one secondary command to use ("CONTINUE?:") and if it misses I have to hope town wins

meta thought: i think that this being a role madness game, two "cops" isn't that unusual especially since my role was incentivized to not specifically hunt scum, but it was a side benefit

can love bloom on the pineapple pizza battlefield, you guys?

You're hiding something. Or you don't understand your role. And what? You find the right person to continue on and then you just win and that's that? Presumably, something happens to the person. The interaction between your result and this other ability doesn't seem to make sense either still as you've only said that your one and only hint was that your player 2 wouldn't be mafia. Ok, so why even let you check people, mafia was only going to make up 4-5 players on the list, a random shot on the dark would have likely missed them anyway.

if timetokill has a shot left, I think we should let her live. If she's neutral, scum kills her, maybe, to prevent us getting info; if she lives, maybe we get another check and we can always flip her tomorrow. It's risky. She could be scum. But I'm throwing out ideas. I am leaning toward believing her on the face but her role seems awfully weird. I almost want to flip her just to see it. If we leave her, who do we suggest she check - Dr. Worm? Isaac? Launch?

Is CONTINUE? your player 2 action, ttk?

I am not against the idea of Verelios being godfather, but would that be OP if he was godfather AND he was hidden on the flip? was that his latent ability or a one-shot thing scum could apply, like giving a bulletproof vest? Literally asking; I have no idea. But I can't get around the idea of Verelios being town. Neutral or scum. Not town.

Sorian, can you give us info about your role card? Lifeline didn't really. And I'm curious.

If we don't flip ttk then we flip Worm imo. I'd have her check Darryl or Nomadic personally (I don't know if there's a reason I should be trusting Darryl, if there is, disregard).

And what info? It's fairly straight forward, I'm the one who gags at the sight of pineapple pizza and it says if I am given a slice of pineapple at any point during the game then I am automatically mod vetted. The way it's vague like that makes me lean more that multiple people ok the scum team do their abilities by handing out a slice but I don't think it really matters past flavor.
 

Sorian

Banned
Oh right and for scum to have erased Verelios' role card, they would have had to know that he was dying. I highly doubt he's scum unless his role came pre packaged with that ability to happen automatically and that seems veryb bastard to have that on a scum member automatically. If he was neutral or had some extra info about this whole ttk thing then maybe.
 

Darryl

Banned
Meh, literally posted that from bed as I just woke up. Considering I don't believe her, I'm kind of dropping her results at the moment.

If you wanna know why people are town reading me just go back and read day 2. It's been the only useful day so far in terms of results because everyone has been in paralysis since and afraid to commit. I became flippant and irritated since the last day phase
 

Darryl

Banned
If I was scum alongside Swamped and Blarg, this game would have been over already. That would have been a stacked deck and I wouldn't have began the game by driving two strong scum teammates over with a bus for no reason at all, over barely any evidence, and then have virtually thrown the game away by D5 by acting in total disregard
 

Sorian

Banned
I'm more curious on how the role interaction worked if Swamped really did target me since that means I ignored a roleblock, maybe that means I ignore all "slice" related abilities but meh, not interesting now.

Anyway, I'm still on board with ttk, I smell too many lies and while another cop check could be cool, I'd rather figure this out now because if she is an alignment cop then you're all sorts of called into question monkey. That and I'm getting a piecemeal claim that makes no sense and I like how I offered that there must be a second command and the next post from her detailed a second command.
 

Sorian

Banned
Shit, lynch me and see if it activates Darryl, if he's telling the truth. I don't care. I've done my work. But we are getting low.

I have plenty of questions on Darryl's claim too, why limit you with x-shots and then have a back up there?

Did ttk ever say if she was actually limited? Because, yeah, I see 3 checks out of 5 but I've also seen Gafia forget to just send in night actions too so.....

Can someone link me to Darryl's original claim?
 
Darryl's claims:

I suppose I can reveal. I'm a town backup. Who I am backing up, nobody knows. I'm the Greek pizza lover

Could I be a back up doctor? Could Dr. Worm be lying? Possibly-

I'm not sure who else I could be backing up.

I'm just a generic back up. I have no idea who I'm backing up. Cop or doctor probably. That's why I wanted to be sure we had a counter claim on hey monkey D3, because I assumed I would be backing up the cop. I was also hesitant to believe we just had a two shot cop.
 
Okay, so it looks like y'all are sticking with timetokill regardless, but I just wanna say one last time that I'm just not sure. If she's scum, it's just been so obvious that I have a hard time with it. And if Verelios wasn't scum, then it's likely we have at least two left and I have a hard time figuring this would be the scum strategy. And didn't Arkham have two investigative roles? Oh, but they were scum and neutral (just looked it up). Huh, weird.

I will say this: ttk, the one thing I don't believe is that you're town aligned and you can win with town, because I think you'd be more transparent if so. So I'm not against the lynch. I'm just not jumping on it because I'm not sure where it leads us. But that's the frustrating thing about pretty much everyone.
 

Sorian

Banned
Darryl's claims:

That's safe, also easy to backpedal out of. He obviously isn't backing up someone with limited shots though which gives Nomadic more credit, if anything.

Yes, I said I was limited, twice now in fact

That's funny that you ignored my other questions, so you have 4 shots then? And monkey had 2? So 6 checks total AND nothing is stopping them from overlapping so by day 3 we could have, theoretically, had 5 green checks in the 20 person game. Even if scum had a godfather which isn't even a real conclusion and was only floated because Lifeline feels the need to give reads lists with "these people are scum and THIS person is an even special-er scum" That would be a ridiculous amount of clearance and I'd expect someone balancing would have moved the game away from there.

One of you is lying. It's hardly what I'd call a gamble but I'm willing to bet the lead we have on that fact.
 

Sorian

Banned
Okay, so it looks like y'all are sticking with timetokill regardless, but I just wanna say one last time that I'm just not sure. If she's scum, it's just been so obvious that I have a hard time with it. And if Verelios wasn't scum, then it's likely we have at least two left and I have a hard time figuring this would be the scum strategy. And didn't Arkham have two investigative roles? Oh, but they were scum and neutral (just looked it up). Huh, weird.

I will say this: ttk, the one thing I don't believe is that you're town aligned and you can win with town, because I think you'd be more transparent if so. So I'm not against the lynch. I'm just not jumping on it because I'm not sure where it leads us. But that's the frustrating thing about pretty much everyone.

They were NAME cops, not ALIGNMENT cops. There is a huge difference. Evidenced 100% by the fact that the thread knew that Zipped was Bat-mite for 2 days and Natiko and I knew his name from night 1 and it still took forever for him to be fingered as scum and lynched.
 

Sorian

Banned
As an extra aside, the only investigator stronger than an alignment cop is a watcher and depending on who you ask, watchers are so strong that they make a game near bastard.
 

acohrs

Member
Hey monkey can't be part of the gambit, they are the reason we got Blarg. Unless they're scum who decided to completely lynch their scummate without any pressure to get town cried, which is the dumbest plan I've ever heard. TTK would be the more suspicious one out of those 2.
 
Hey monkey can't be part of the gambit, they are the reason we got Blarg. Unless they're scum who decided to completely lynch their scummate without any pressure to get town cried, which is the dumbest plan I've ever heard. TTK would be the more suspicious one out of those 2.
so???
 
They were NAME cops, not ALIGNMENT cops. There is a huge difference. Evidenced 100% by the fact that the thread knew that Zipped was Bat-mite for 2 days and Natiko and I knew his name from night 1 and it still took forever for him to be fingered as scum and lynched.

As an extra aside, the only investigator stronger than an alignment cop is a watcher and depending on who you ask, watchers are so strong that they make a game near bastard.

Oh, okay. Sorry, I'm not super clear on game balance issues (I'm studying with cabot right now because I'm working on Buffy and he is a harsh and untrustworthy mistress of love).

So, thinking back to some stuff Darryl threw out earlier - which roles DO we have that help town? Potentially a 1-shot bulletproof. Potentially a 1-shot lynchproof. A doctor who may or may not have limited shots; who knows. 2-shot vigilante. 2-shot cop. Maybe a backup. We had a doublevoter but they died. Several vanillas. Then a miller and a claim for beloved princess. And we know about a strongman and a roleblocker for scum. Then the extra details on ttk, if she's on the up and up.

So I'm seeing some pairs - 1 shot lynch vs one shot bulletproof - two sides of the same kinda coin, if legit. 2-shot vig, 2-shot cop. A doctor and a potential backup.

I'm just trying to look for patterns to see if if helps us figure who we can trust.
 

acohrs

Member
Much funner to run away with crazy conspiracy theories until pointed out how wrong I am.

Also posting GIFs but still on mobile so can't be arsed.

NS, who is your top top scum pick, one that you could get to just dropdown dead right now if you had the command?
 
Hey monkey can't be part of the gambit, they are the reason we got Blarg. Unless they're scum who decided to completely lynch their scummate without any pressure to get town cried, which is the dumbest plan I've ever heard.

Yeah, I was ballsy as hell for scum if that was a ploy. I had a prewritten post bussing the shit out of my teammate. I'm an ass, but maybe not that big of an ass.
 

Sorian

Banned
Hey monkey can't be part of the gambit, they are the reason we got Blarg. Unless they're scum who decided to completely lynch their scummate without any pressure to get town cried, which is the dumbest plan I've ever heard. TTK would be the more suspicious one out of those 2.

It would be ridiculous but Blarg was on the team and we need only look back to love boat to see that he comes up with some less than ideal plans.

He's very much for high risk, high reward plays

#teamplank better than #team8000feet everyday of the week
 
Sorian, you're a replacement so maybe you didn't follow all the Blarg shenanigans, but if there is still doubt in anyone's mind that I'm town, I dunno what to say. I didn't hedge on my claim (unlike half the friggen game). I gave everything asked. I fucked up on Swamped but I also owned the fuckup. I'm still pretty new and I'm gonna fuck up. After that, all I can do is let you do what you're gonna do, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Much funner to run away with crazy conspiracy theories until pointed out how wrong I am.

Also posting GIFs but still on mobile so can't be arsed.

NS, who is your top top scum pick, one that you could get to just dropdown dead right now if you had the command?


TTK

if not them. Verelios
 

Sorian

Banned
Oh, okay. Sorry, I'm not super clear on game balance issues (I'm studying with cabot right now because I'm working on Buffy and he is a harsh and untrustworthy mistress of love).

So, thinking back to some stuff Darryl threw out earlier - which roles DO we have that help town? Potentially a 1-shot bulletproof. Potentially a 1-shot lynchproof. A doctor who may or may not have limited shots; who knows. 2-shot vigilante. 2-shot cop. Maybe a backup. We had a doublevoter but they died. Several vanillas. Then a miller and a claim for beloved princess. And we know about a strongman and a roleblocker for scum. Then the extra details on ttk, if she's on the up and up.

So I'm seeing some pairs - 1 shot lynch vs one shot bulletproof - two sides of the same kinda coin, if legit. 2-shot vig, 2-shot cop. A doctor and a potential backup.

I'm just trying to look for patterns to see if if helps us figure who we can trust.

If you are calling me a beloved princess, that is no where near the role I am lol

Seeing them laid out like that, the bulletproof is probably scum in all honesty (which that was Worm, yeah? Nothing new there). Scum isn't going to be a lynch-proof so unless Stanley lucked out on someone else giving him a lynch proof during the game, he isn't scum.

If I'm dead tomorrow, please keep what I've been saying in mind, this shouldn't be hard, you have one scum between Monkey and ttk (or at least a neutral that is heavily lying about something) and Worm is scum.

Do we have a claim from Launch yet? I don't really want one if not, just looking for my missing pieces.
 
And it may all be so much pissing in the wind anyway because we've got three hours to go and votes haven't moved from their place on ttk, though we do have a lot of people who haven't bothered to vote yet.
 
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