HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
So, it was billed as the final film.
Then the post-credits scene happened.
Then the post-credits scene happened.
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Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales|SPOILER THREAD| Salazars Revenge
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Captain Zyrain
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Technically.. They said "The Final Adventure....... ...... .......... Begins"
So they can do two or three more movies based off what happens here. I.e. The curses being broken, Will coming back, etc.
My hope is that Gore comes back to do Pirates 6 and 7, filmed together, to fully end the series.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Listening to the soundtrack...
I legitimately like it yet in the movie besides the classics you can hardly much of it out.
I legitimately like it yet in the movie besides the classics you can hardly much of it out.
UnknownSpirit
Member
I enjoyed it. I liked that balbossa ended up being her father and her essentially becoming a pirate with Henry. (I actually like The Carina role a whole lot)
I honestly enjoyed them closing up 99% of the plot threads still left from the first four.
I enjoyed it. It's a fun movie.
I just read about the after-credits scene. And HOLY SHIT.
I would be curious on if Orlando Bloom and Kiera Knightly would want to come back for the final 2. I was amazed she showed up for the very end of this one to be honest.
I honestly enjoyed them closing up 99% of the plot threads still left from the first four.
I enjoyed it. It's a fun movie.
I just read about the after-credits scene. And HOLY SHIT.
I would be curious on if Orlando Bloom and Kiera Knightly would want to come back for the final 2. I was amazed she showed up for the very end of this one to be honest.
The Fronde
Member
I thought the whole movie was a ton of fun.
The opening scene in particular was hilarious.
The opening scene in particular was hilarious.
UnknownSpirit
Member
Also just want to make a point in saying that final island that they go to that glows like "stars" was beautifully done.
I at least, though it was unique.
I at least, though it was unique.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah honestly this was probably my favorite climax next to the third movie's.
UnknownSpirit
Member
The thing I remember most about ATW. Is the end of it when both Davy Jones and Sparrow just DESTORY that British ship at the end.
It's a beautiful sequence in that it's Slo-Mo and you see thousands of little wood pieces as it gets desimiated. I still to this day can't tell if it's CG or Practical.
There haven't even been a sequence close to being like it, though the bank robbery sequence is pretty close.
It's a beautiful sequence in that it's Slo-Mo and you see thousands of little wood pieces as it gets desimiated. I still to this day can't tell if it's CG or Practical.
There haven't even been a sequence close to being like it, though the bank robbery sequence is pretty close.
Captain Zyrain
Member
I feel like I read somewhere that her and Bloom were only there for one day. (heh his one day ashore..)
I really hope they get the band back together for the next one. With a great script and good directing it could be great.
I feel like this one really cleansed the Pirate palate and essentially leaves us in the same spot we were at when the first movie ended. Will and Elizabeth are together again. Barbossa is dead (again). Jack has the Pearl and is off looking for the horizon (again). Now we have a few more side characters, but I'm liking the way things have ended up (again).
Thought the movie was really bad, but even worse it's bad in a way that feels unsalvageable. I think even the best edit of what we have can't fix all the contrivances.
I would open with young Sparrow, ending that scene with Salazar dead.
Then we meet young Henry, and move onward to him looking for Jack to help him break his father's curse.
Then we cut to the bank scene and see how Jack's become a degenerate drunk, culminating with him giving away the compass. At *this* point, Salazar wakes up, the compass having created him as a greatest fear rather than him having randomly been cursed.
This is about as far as you can get before it falls apart. There's no reason for Jack to go with Henry and Carina, unless you repeat the "I'll rescue you in exchange" from CotBP. And then you still have to deal with the unbearable coincidence of Carina being Barbossa's child, a twist which would honestly need a film to justify. Then we have the stupidity of the book riddle, which felt like a Saturday morning cartoon - I'd rather they just did a thing where they show a bunch of impenetrable math than it all come down to a constellation and a "break the thing" riddle. And you have Salazar's random new possession ability introduced I guess so they could have a fight there? And resolved in 2 minutes. The list goes on.
FWIW, TCotBP > DMC > AWE > DMTNT > OSE.
I acknowledge AWE has huge problems but I think you could really salvage it in an edit.
This movie has some good ideas but they don't work together at all and the result is a mess.
I would open with young Sparrow, ending that scene with Salazar dead.
Then we meet young Henry, and move onward to him looking for Jack to help him break his father's curse.
Then we cut to the bank scene and see how Jack's become a degenerate drunk, culminating with him giving away the compass. At *this* point, Salazar wakes up, the compass having created him as a greatest fear rather than him having randomly been cursed.
This is about as far as you can get before it falls apart. There's no reason for Jack to go with Henry and Carina, unless you repeat the "I'll rescue you in exchange" from CotBP. And then you still have to deal with the unbearable coincidence of Carina being Barbossa's child, a twist which would honestly need a film to justify. Then we have the stupidity of the book riddle, which felt like a Saturday morning cartoon - I'd rather they just did a thing where they show a bunch of impenetrable math than it all come down to a constellation and a "break the thing" riddle. And you have Salazar's random new possession ability introduced I guess so they could have a fight there? And resolved in 2 minutes. The list goes on.
FWIW, TCotBP > DMC > AWE > DMTNT > OSE.
I acknowledge AWE has huge problems but I think you could really salvage it in an edit.
This movie has some good ideas but they don't work together at all and the result is a mess.
Jack's greatest fear is death. That's why he wanted to become captain of the Dutchman in AWE. Salazar is death incarnate.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
that's wrong. Jack favours freedom over death, that's why he chose not to become the captain of the flying dutchman in AWE. Ipso facto his biggest fear is being shackled for eternity, probably why he left Cruz character twice.
Astral Dog
Member
Its shitty,its like a parody of Pirates of the Caribbean no bounds the only good thing was Salazar
Boy Wander
Member
I didn't like the movie much. I thought they made Sparrow come across as being a bit dumb which isn't really his character. Also, too much time was spent in sea chases / battle scenes.
Sure, his greatest desire is freedom, but that doesn't mean death isn't his greatest fear. That's why he was in conflict with himself in that movie and he couldn't make up his mind what he was going to do until Davy Jones made it up for him by dealing a mortal wound to Will. Then he had to let Will become the Dutchman's captain to save his life.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Jack could have become the captain and recruited Will.
And how about when he gave up the only drops left of the fountain of youth to save Angelica? If death is his greatest fear, then he's not a very fearful person.
That's not even arguing whether Salazar is death incarnate.
Astral Dog
Member
Jack had zero charisma on this one 
I had a lot of fun and cleansed the tepid 4th movie away. Was impressed by the amount of practical looking effects, I guess I expected it to look cheaper (4th film seemed that way).
Really loved the masthead on Salazar's ship coming to life, but it was too dark to see much of that sequence.
I'd really dig an epic 2 part finale since breaking all curses on the sea can open a lot of terrors (I think) with the old cast too. Unless all the undead simply become mortal which then just makes them less scary.
All in all, pleasantly surprised.
Really loved the masthead on Salazar's ship coming to life, but it was too dark to see much of that sequence.
I'd really dig an epic 2 part finale since breaking all curses on the sea can open a lot of terrors (I think) with the old cast too. Unless all the undead simply become mortal which then just makes them less scary.
All in all, pleasantly surprised.
Jack had zero charisma on this one
And no competence. The only competent thing he did was the fake keel hauling of Henry.
I wonder if they planned this all along and that's why they left Davy Jones in on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride
"Dead men tell no tales..."
"Ah, but they do tell tales. So says I, Davy Jones-ah."
Astral Dog
Member
Its not going to end as long as depp is alive
Magnetic_North
Member
Saw it yesterday we had some free cinema tickets so we decided to go see it
Fun movie not amazing but a good bit of fun the gullotine sequence was well done and gave us a laugh and yeah the bank heist literally reminded me of Fast Five
Salazar was great loved the underwater effects that he had but some parts where funny "WHERE...ISSSSS...YACK SPARROWWWWW..."
Shame with the whole boat bit with the statue thingy coming to life it was so dark i could barely see what was going on I remember Jack and Salazar jumping from cannon to canon then the statue came to life and that's it like I said waaay too dark
Didn't expect Kiera to come back I had a smile when they reunited just because I loved the earlier films
Would be awesome if they did do a reunion film with the old crew
And yeah i need to rewatch the first one I do remember Jack being more witty and smarter but a bit of a goofball that made him likeable where as with each film he becomes waaay more of a drunken idiot that doesn't seem like he knows what's he's doing and its waaay more slapstick comedy now
I think it was better than On Stranger Tides because I literally cannot remember that film at all...though I guess that's probably a good thing?!
Overall not something I'd go back to and watch all the time but it was fun
Fun movie not amazing but a good bit of fun the gullotine sequence was well done and gave us a laugh and yeah the bank heist literally reminded me of Fast Five
Salazar was great loved the underwater effects that he had but some parts where funny "WHERE...ISSSSS...YACK SPARROWWWWW..."
Shame with the whole boat bit with the statue thingy coming to life it was so dark i could barely see what was going on I remember Jack and Salazar jumping from cannon to canon then the statue came to life and that's it like I said waaay too dark
Didn't expect Kiera to come back I had a smile when they reunited just because I loved the earlier films
Would be awesome if they did do a reunion film with the old crew
And yeah i need to rewatch the first one I do remember Jack being more witty and smarter but a bit of a goofball that made him likeable where as with each film he becomes waaay more of a drunken idiot that doesn't seem like he knows what's he's doing and its waaay more slapstick comedy now
I think it was better than On Stranger Tides because I literally cannot remember that film at all...though I guess that's probably a good thing?!
Overall not something I'd go back to and watch all the time but it was fun
KeyBladerXIII
Member
Really enjoyed this one. 3rd best PotC movie.
Seeing Will and Liz again and hearing the old themes were great. Carina was a great character and her reveal with Barbossa was awesome, it just sucks that Barbossa died again. Seeing the side characers like Gibbs and Marty were nice, but replacing those royal navy guys with Pintel and Ragetti would've made things better.
My theory on the post credits scene:
Snice breaking the trident broke all the oceans curses, Will doesn't have to do the Dutchman job anymore. But SOMEBODY has to ferry the souls of the dead, right? So by some mystic mumbo-jumbo, the previous captain is resurrected to continue the job, resulting in a very pissed off Davy Jones who is stuck with the job and goes after Will and his kid for revenge.
Seeing Will and Liz again and hearing the old themes were great. Carina was a great character and her reveal with Barbossa was awesome, it just sucks that Barbossa died again. Seeing the side characers like Gibbs and Marty were nice, but replacing those royal navy guys with Pintel and Ragetti would've made things better.
My theory on the post credits scene:
Snice breaking the trident broke all the oceans curses, Will doesn't have to do the Dutchman job anymore. But SOMEBODY has to ferry the souls of the dead, right? So by some mystic mumbo-jumbo, the previous captain is resurrected to continue the job, resulting in a very pissed off Davy Jones who is stuck with the job and goes after Will and his kid for revenge.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Yeah I thought that was great.
I really like the ocean floor in the final as well but I wish it was a bit more like
than how dark it actually looked in the movie. There were even some shots that made it look like they were underwater.
Just needed more light and color.
I just saw it, the movie was so great. I honestly teared up at the very beginning with Will and at the end, the music definitely was a factor because of the memories. Salazar was terrifying, i felt so sad at Barbossa.
However the silly stuff was too much at some points but It was still enjoyable.
What happened at the end credits scene as i missed it?
However the silly stuff was too much at some points but It was still enjoyable.
What happened at the end credits scene as i missed it?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Although, I find it weird that pirates except for Barbossa don't know how to navigate via stars. I thought that was a thing even in medieval times.
Trigonometrize.
Member
I don't think they were going for historical accuracy on that one.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Just came out and that seemed like the most unnecessary character death ever. Like why didn't he just take the sword and slash at Salazar's hand? There was no reason to JUMP down to him. Also how did Barbossa get down there when he didn't fall down with Jack and her? Also did it seem forced and ridiculous that Barbossa was her dad and why was he an astronomer?
I think this is the best since 2 by a wide margin. I thought it was really enjoyable, and the after-credits scene has me hyped for the next one.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
It was but Pirates likes to be goofy, though not everyone would regardless.
I think Jack, Barbossa and maybe Mr Gibbs would be the only ones really in these movies that would know some of it(since the series doesn't actually do ship roles and rankings).
We also see that Jack has had magical compass since becoming captain so he probably just doesn't care.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
nah it was just weird, this was never a problem before but suddenly it was
I just thought it was a natural thing for seafarers
then again I reckon it's mostly for captains, the rest are grunts
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
Nobody has to ferry the souls. All curses are dead.
There's a reason Barbossa in the movie is currently the most powerful pirate/privateer on the seas and all the other pirates are pretty goddamn stupid.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Haven't seen anyone preferring 4.
Better than 3 is kinda mixed though yes.
Honestly right now personally.
DMC>DMTNT>/=COTBP>>AWE>>>>OST
Thanks for pointing this out. I don't remember where it played in the movie, but this is probably my favorite song from the soundtrack right now.
I love how it sounds so bittersweet, contrasting with the classic themes.
The blu rays are on sale, so I went ahead and grabbed the first three since they're sure to look and sound stunning on disc. I remember enjoying them in the theater but I was so young, I really don't remember anything about them, aside from how long AWE was. Think I was in eighth grade when that one came out, so it's been a while lol.
I'm deciding if I should go ahead and get On Stranger Tides since it's also 10 bucks and it'd annoy the hell out of me if I don't own the series, but I've never seen it, and going by the reaction to it, I shouldn't.
I'm deciding if I should go ahead and get On Stranger Tides since it's also 10 bucks and it'd annoy the hell out of me if I don't own the series, but I've never seen it, and going by the reaction to it, I shouldn't.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
If you like these I wouldn't say 4 is a legitimately bad movie, its probably more solid than 3 but is just bland as hell which is exactly the opposite of what makes this series work.
Mermaid scene is really great though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-TsSCoTxYU
As low as I rank it and talk about it I still own the blu-ray.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah, figured that'd be the case. Though I reckon the other better pirates also navigate by the stars too.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Navigating by the stars with conventional methods must be difficult when their position never changes.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Seriously though does anyone have a good answer for why Barbossa sacrificed himself and when the hell he got down there in the first place? I mean the guy had the only sword and they were ahead of Salazar anyway. I just don't get the jump down and kill yourself decision. Seemed like sort of a random subplot anyway with her being his daughter.
Captain Zyrain
Member
Does anyone know if they ever came out with updated Blurays? I got the first 3 whenever they first came out.. I wish they had a 4K release.
SkywardBeam
Member
Watched the movie a few hours ago and really enjoyed it. Much, much better than the last. The story was nothing to write home about (I prefer the epic plot structure of 2 and 3 that spans multiple movies), but the soundtrack was great and Salazar was really killing it. Great performance by Bardem, great visual effects on the ghost pirates and finally a return to real undead villains (unlike those "zombies" in Stranger Tides -.-'). The only aspect that sours me on the film a bit is the ending. Why did they have to kill Salazar and his crew just after they got rid of their curse? Felt unnecessarily dark to me :/ (especially as they were originally the good guys).