PlayStation 2 comes to PS4 official trailer
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Not surprised by the price tbh, as soon as it became apparent these would have trophies it was obvious that they wouldn't be cheap. Implementing trophies costs dev/QA time and someone needs to pay for that.
Would have been better without trophies really but I guess they've determined this is what people want.
Would have been better without trophies really but I guess they've determined this is what people want.
Newtype-001
Member
I really hope SMT Nocturne comes to this,ive been wanting to play that forever aswell.
biglittleps
Member
Really disappointed, was expecting PS1 Classics too with cross-buy but we got only selected PS2 classics.
Benzychenz
Member
Oh nice. That's what I get for only skimming the first couple of pages.
I played the shit out of 1. 2 seemed like it was going to be a massive improvement in almost every single way, Too bad the disk I had wouldn't play beyond a certain point a few hours in.
Xenosaga would be awesome though the only problem like with Dragon Quest VIII you'd really be able to tell the difference between in engine cutscenes and pre-rendered cut scenes and Xenosaga I had tons of cutscenes.
Also I can't believe my childhood brain didn't put this together but since we love our DBZ compairisons. Darck Cloud with the Dark Geanie is totally Majin-buu
Anthony Soprano
Member
I see both sides of the argument. On one hand, this is greed; but people will pay for it. Just like people pay for DLC, skins, etc. It's supply and demand and most importantly, ease of use. But how many gens are we going to go through where we repurchase the same games, over and over, at incredibly high prices? Probably forever - I blame the consumers. The original dev teams probably aren't seeing any money from this - I bet the publishers that own the IP are, though.
- Is it possible for Nintendo to come out with a cartridge attachment for Wii and WiiU to play old carts? Of course, will they ever? No.
- Has the homebrew scene done emulators since before they were a paid service in the industry by the big three? Yes; see NESticle kicking off the popularity in the 90's.
- Has the homebrew scene done dashboards and custom OS modifications before it was even a thing (original Xbox) in a better, more more efficient manner with more customization?
These kinds of technical feats are developed, arguably in a better fashion than industry standards, by groups of enthusiasts (sometimes by lone programmers) and hobbyists that communicate over the internet. For free. At no charge to the end-user.
Not allowing a discount with a licensing fee and a patch based system for disc loading just seems kind of cheap to me. Practices like these promotes laziness and encourages bad industry standards. This kind of greed is the reason why we will never have cross-platform netplay standardized or a consumer friendly playground like Steam offers on consoles. It's the reason why Microsoft paved the way for consoles to begin charging for access to online infrastructure. Can these things be done in a manner that would not shaft the consumer? Those concepts are neglected because they can get away with it.
To me, these releases are simply one step up from the SEGA ports to Steam that use Kega Fusion: upscaled with achievements and savestates. It's boring, it's too late and I doubt the library will be handsome enough for me to care.
Stilton Disco
Member
Having slept on it, I've come to terms with it, but still see it as far and away the most disappointing turn out for getting PS2 titles in PS4.
I get it though. These alterations to upres and add trophy support, and testing to make sure it all runs acceptably, that costs money. As does licensing and getting age ratings.
Would at the very least a discount for Classics owners, similar to what Nintendo does with the WiiU's VC, or PS+ discount, have been a small gesture to not come across as greed dickheads? Yes, but oh well. These will at least get semi regular, well discounted sales.
But what I'm not ok with, is the established precedent with international releases and publisher apathy.
Living in the EU, there's a huge number of PS1&2 Classics we missed out on because publishers couldn't be arsed to get them rated across Europe. Combine that with the games lost to time due to IP holders forgetting about them, contested ownership rights, publishers going belly up, or simply being held by cunts like Konami, and the actually library of titles I and most of the world will likely get to play, is a tiny, tiny fraction of the utter masterpieces that made the PS2 the greatest gaming machine to ever exist.
So I'm still happy to be getting any PS2 games. The resolution increase is certainly brilliant, and I know people like trophies, though I myself turned the notification for them off because I just find them annoying.
But this is very much the Bronze Medal of 'backwards compatibility'.
I mean let's be fair, when Nintendo are doing a better job at this, you know it's a bit of a balls up.
I get it though. These alterations to upres and add trophy support, and testing to make sure it all runs acceptably, that costs money. As does licensing and getting age ratings.
Would at the very least a discount for Classics owners, similar to what Nintendo does with the WiiU's VC, or PS+ discount, have been a small gesture to not come across as greed dickheads? Yes, but oh well. These will at least get semi regular, well discounted sales.
But what I'm not ok with, is the established precedent with international releases and publisher apathy.
Living in the EU, there's a huge number of PS1&2 Classics we missed out on because publishers couldn't be arsed to get them rated across Europe. Combine that with the games lost to time due to IP holders forgetting about them, contested ownership rights, publishers going belly up, or simply being held by cunts like Konami, and the actually library of titles I and most of the world will likely get to play, is a tiny, tiny fraction of the utter masterpieces that made the PS2 the greatest gaming machine to ever exist.
So I'm still happy to be getting any PS2 games. The resolution increase is certainly brilliant, and I know people like trophies, though I myself turned the notification for them off because I just find them annoying.
But this is very much the Bronze Medal of 'backwards compatibility'.
I mean let's be fair, when Nintendo are doing a better job at this, you know it's a bit of a balls up.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
You can see why Sony is doing it too. Judging by posts on GAF on all places people are willing to pay for a PS2 game, PS2 classic on PS3 and then rebuy it as a "PS4" game. Hell, I bought bunch of disk based games on PS3 myself, but this is not happening the third time.
Seems these are more than just the emulator what with adding trophies, question is have they just added trophies to justify the price tag or have the game received extra work?
The price is a let-down, I assume £12 in the UK - I guess I'll just was for sales on must have titles.
The price is a let-down, I assume £12 in the UK - I guess I'll just was for sales on must have titles.
NeoHorizon
Member
If Atlus can put in the whole Growlanser series and Nisa's Ar Tonelico 1 & 2 along with glorious trophy support, I would not hesitate to buy all of them even if they're $15-20 each.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
If the games are sold on the PlayStation network, my personal belief is that it should be owned by the account. I shouldn't have to rebuy apps on the Google store or I store if I get a new device. I feel this should be the same for sonys service. I won't be buying any unless they go crazy cheap in a sale. Other people are free to do what they want tho 
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
You have summed my thoughts up here pretty well, I was literally going to start my post with "having slept on it".
I don't expect additional work to be given to me for free so I'm happy to pay, but it would be nice if as a gesture they took into account previous purchases of the same title.
I'm about to drop £25 on PSN sale for Uncharted Collection, I wouldn't expect them to give me that for free I owned the previous ones digitally nor do I expect to be able to put my ps3 disc in and be able to play with the enhancements.
I guess we should be thinking of these as PS2 Remasters rather than Classics and this is certainly not BC.
I'll most likely only buy any when discounted or its a game I've never played that looks good.
It seems Sony could have used this technology to hit an absolute home run, as it stands they've somehow managed to slightly alienate some people before even having the chance to explain what it is and how exactly it's going to work.
I'm actually now looking forward to hearing the roadmap of games and hoping they use some as PS+ titles.
Omegabalmung9
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TheActtionFigure
Member
Ouch! Those prices kinda sting. If Twisted Metal Black has online play I'll have to buy it.
Who am I kidding? I'm gonna buy it anyway.
Omegabalmung9
Member
Probably during the conference.
Better off just buying them from the us store anyway. They will probably be £11.99. Compared to £9.30 on the is store.
and i bet they will offer the 50hz pal versions...
Damn, I'd pay them 60$ for a version of MH2 that offers the current control scheme (not that Analog Stick = Attack shit from the original PS2 games), 1080p resolution, 60fps and trophy support. Well, maybe leave that 60fps part out since the games of the series seem to have their logic tied to framerate but yeah. pls Capcom/Sony
Stallion Dan
Member
Because you get Remastered collections last gen 3 for $40. And those are remasters, with actual graphic improvements, and in many cases new content from versions not released in certain regions.
SolidusDave
Member
There can't be many people willing to pay $15 for PS2 games they already own on disc or PS3. Surely most of the sales comes from fans that don't have access anymore to either version and people who want to experience some hyped classics for the first time.
They simply should have added a discount option for previous owners. Doesn't have to be much, like $5 off. But it would give you that warm fuzzy feeling to let the PS4 check the disc ID of one of your ancient PS2 games and have that contribute to a cheaper price. That alone would push me over as it would be nice to have these games permanently added to my PSN account (future-proof... unless they remaster them again). TBH it's unlikely I would play them much though, maybe a couple of levels, that's why I need that extra enticement.
For $15 per game I expect more considering the GoW and ICO, MGS etc. remasters are exactly that, upresed PS2 games with trophies. Those have more work done though graphically etc. ...
They simply should have added a discount option for previous owners. Doesn't have to be much, like $5 off. But it would give you that warm fuzzy feeling to let the PS4 check the disc ID of one of your ancient PS2 games and have that contribute to a cheaper price. That alone would push me over as it would be nice to have these games permanently added to my PSN account (future-proof... unless they remaster them again
). TBH it's unlikely I would play them much though, maybe a couple of levels, that's why I need that extra enticement.For $15 per game I expect more considering the GoW and ICO, MGS etc. remasters are exactly that, upresed PS2 games with trophies. Those have more work done though graphically etc. ...
There can't be many people willing to pay $15 for PS2 games they already own on disc or PS3. Surely most of the sales comes from fans that don't have access anymore to either version and people who want to experience some hyped classics for the first time.
They simply should have added a discount option for previous owners. Doesn't have to be much, like $5 off. But it would give you that warm fuzzy feeling to let the PS4 check the disc ID of one of your ancient PS2 games and have that contribute to a cheaper price. That alone would push me over as it would be nice to have these games permanently added to my PSN account (future-proof... unless they remaster them again
For $15 per game I expect more considering the GoW and ICO, MGS etc. remasters are exactly that, upresed PS2 games with trophies. Those have more work done though graphically etc. ...
I've owned Dark Cloud on disc for.. years. It's on my shelf, looking at me and sometimes our eyes meet. I turn my head and take a glance at my currently broken BC PS3. I have another less cool PS3 plugged in but I have no interest playing anything on it. It's just sitting there next to the behemoth that is the PS4.
I would gladly pay $60 to play Dark Cloud again on the PS4.
It is one of my favourite games ever. I'm not alone with my thoughts.
And this is why we can't have nice things for respectable prices.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Do you think there's a chance of games that already got a HD release on PS3 coming?
Really want to play Prince of Persia, and from the mountain of PS2 titles I have that Sony will never release or make any money off ever again, its probably one of the most likely ones.
Really want to play Prince of Persia, and from the mountain of PS2 titles I have that Sony will never release or make any money off ever again, its probably one of the most likely ones.
Straight after Sony's presentation
SlickShoes
Member
Must be a way of making it work, please for the love of god! I'll pay $60 for working SOCOM 1 or 2.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
In about 5 years time we're going to be getting PS4K titles aren't we
Crosspay works on games that are the same. These aren't. They are upscaled, have better framerate and trophy support. Mini remasters if you will. No one complains when bought last of us digital on ps3 but had to buy last of us on ps4. This no different in a way
Seems like those who are willing to pay..will pay anyway. For those that don't agree with this voice your concerns and simply don't buy the games, it certainly doesn't booster goodwill with a "minority" of their userbase but I'm honestly surprised how much faith people put into Sony anyway in regards to their games carrying over especially PSN.
Suikoden V
Suikoden III
Xenosaga Trilogy
Shadow of Destiny
Are the games I want
Problem is alot of the best PS2 Classics got ported to PS3. Instead of uprezzed emulation of.those games I'd prefer the PS3 ports to get ported to PS4.
Metal Gear Solid
Beyond Good and Evil
Kingdom Hearts
Devil May Cry
Street Fighter III Third Strike
Splinter Cell
Hitman
SotC
God of War
Prince of Persia
And many more need the PS3 versions ported
Suikoden III
Xenosaga Trilogy
Shadow of Destiny
Are the games I want
Problem is alot of the best PS2 Classics got ported to PS3. Instead of uprezzed emulation of.those games I'd prefer the PS3 ports to get ported to PS4.
Metal Gear Solid
Beyond Good and Evil
Kingdom Hearts
Devil May Cry
Street Fighter III Third Strike
Splinter Cell
Hitman
SotC
God of War
Prince of Persia
And many more need the PS3 versions ported
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I'd pay $10 for Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3.
Newtype-001
Member
Btw these are definitely coming out in the uk/eu today right? Im holding off buying XCX to play rogue galaxy.
RealityCheque
Banned
$15??!
You can fuck right off with that.
You can fuck right off with that.
FallenGrace
Member
I hope they are. Plan on grabbing Dark Cloud and Rogue Galaxy....to add to my huge backlog XD
In about 5 years time we're going to be getting PS4K titles aren't we
well, that makes sense from a business point of view, so probably.
If Sony sticks with the AMD/x84 setup for a while for PS5 and PS6 we might be getting some future BC
RichiRamjag
Member
Until I can get the original Advance wars on my 3ds, I'm not hearing it! Lol
