Ah, thanks you kind sir!
PlayStation 4: Web reaction to Sony's 'invisible' console
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Ah, thanks you kind sir!
Ah I see. Woosh indeed. ;p
You are living in the past you can't hype up anything electronic for 8 months. In a world with a 24 hour news cycle it does not work. If you are going to hype up an event to the levels of an apple presser you better damn well have more details and be closer to launch. The press has been spoiled by total reviles by samsung, apple ect. The media expected a total revile and they did not get it and are pissed. Blame sony they should of never done this presser. Should of been a lower key web event with no expectations or better yet just a game play trailer followed by a date in may for the presser.
Zoe
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Bolded are already answered. Getting into the specifics of the shape before the specs are 100% nailed down is begging for another RROD fiasco.
RuinerPrime
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And when they do show the shell at E3...the flood of complaints will consume the Internet unfortunately. And the next console war will begin.
Tyrone_Biggums
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Then why show anything at all? They didn't lay out any concrete facts outside of the basic system specs and some potential Gaikai features that could, or could not be realized by the time the console rolls out the door. Why blow half your load without hammering out the important details? People love to hear about dat 8 gigs of RAM, but normal consumers could give two shits about that. Price, console visibility, social networking. Those are your 3 main priorities for a console in the next generation.
If you don't think Microsoft now controls E3 because they have ALL their cards to show, you're crazy. Sony should've dropped one giant megaton instead of spreading out the damage. It's freakin' February. How long was the hype supposed to carry beyond a month or two?
All this comes from someone who loved the things Sony showed. Just not enough of it to make me say "Wow, I can't wait to buy a PS4".
Yes, that's the exact same thing as buying another $500 or $600 console.
No one is saying the console is dying. It's just that the mainstream media and gamers aren't impressed by high numbers and fancy computer tech. We should know this by now. They want pictures, blockbusters and what they perceive as innovation.
IMO, the conference was great, and I'm really looking forward to hearing more about the PS4. But I can understand why the mainstream media isn't impressed.
when has "console visibility" ever been in the top 3 things about a console?
Baconsammy
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It was sad how little was actually shown last night. The only two games shown that actually felt like they were being played were Watchdogs and Killzone. The rest were movies or concepts. Any hope for a big launch lineup sorta died last night. Those hopes were unrealistic anyway.
Sony is marketing to core gamers right now. Those are the people who will drop five bills on a new console win the first year of its lifespan. The NY Times guy said "Much of the excitement in video games has shifted to the Web and mobile devices, which are cheap, easy and fast." Which is fine, but it shows he isn't Sony's current target audience. Sony will try to sell him a machine in two or three years for $200 or $250.
CadetMahoney
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You can't blame them for coming back feeling empty handed. If you hold a much hyped presser and hold back such info don't expect the press "to understand", they're the press and want something juicy.
The press aren't allowed to respond negatively to very little info revealed at a much hyped event apparently.
batman2million
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excited!
there was tons of juicy stuff as far as usability and social features. They could be doing themselves a bigger favor by asking if all the features shown will be available for launch, because it seems pretty ambitious for the Sony i'm used to seeing
Maninthemirror
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Mainstream media should have the common sense to know there is something called E3 where people will see the console the price naughty dog polyphony digital battlefield 4 and then they will go wow and say oh our bad about what we said in february
Chuck Norris
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Kind of in line with every system reveal ever. Nature of the beast
Neko Mimi Mode
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Except they didn't. It was a completely underwhelming event that promised much but delivered essentially nothing. With the best will in the World you can't but describe a console reveal without a console reveal as anything other than a failure. The mainstream press have literally nothing to report on.
No console, no price, no BC, no megaton game announcements, no Versus/TLG, no women...8GB GDDR RAM doesn't mean much outside GAF etc, even less without a price.
FatalMuzza
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This whole thing is massive gamble by Sony. They acknowledge things have changed, but really the message was purely core gaming. I'm not complaining, ill have it sitting under my tv day one. But I have to raise an eyebrow in the context of what makes business sense. Sell more units, and it will have better support, and I profit as a gamer.
I'm worried about Sony with this one. Never mind how much red they'll need to eat selling it under value. If Microsoft comes out and shows some Entertainment magic...hint hint, illumirum, then these same publications will explode in a blaze of excitement and crown the victor for the next gen.
No matter how a console gets out there, it getting out there paves the road to more games for everybody.
I'm worried about Sony with this one. Never mind how much red they'll need to eat selling it under value. If Microsoft comes out and shows some Entertainment magic...hint hint, illumirum, then these same publications will explode in a blaze of excitement and crown the victor for the next gen.
No matter how a console gets out there, it getting out there paves the road to more games for everybody.
That's fine an dandy. In 4 months, they may eat crow. But it's not June yet.
Sony has been hyping this event like crazy, and they're understandably disappointed.
Tyrone_Biggums
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In the age of electronics being a social phenomenon, where the "cool" kids carry iPhones, where people wait in line for days to hawk a new Apple product simply because it's status symbol and visibility to consumers, I'd say that's extremely important today.
Sony isn't just making a gaming console, they're trying to be an icon in the industry and beyond. Hardware is more than just a package that plays games. It's a cultural image that people associate themselves with. Why do you think Apple is so successful? They've developed their image to be that way among consumers.
i dont carry my game console with me, or hold it to my ear, or directly interact with its physical shape.
console hardware reveal was the only thing missing IMO. Price and date were never going to happen in February, and any site feigning disappointments at the lack of that information is being deliberately argumentative
Has that "ever" happened with a console reveal? My familiarity with stuff before PS2 is not great - but every reveal since (PS2 included) I remember having scarce on so called concrete facts (I don't think any of them included price, for instance).Tyrone_Biggums said:
That's fine and all, but I think the build up to the conference should have reflected that instead of delivering a perceived flop for the media to work with. While Sony is waiting to sell 'him' a machine in two to three years, Microsoft and Apple will most likely be selling 'him' their machines in the meantime. It's a delicate market these days.
Maninthemirror
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Actually from what verge and other blogs mentioned it looked like the event was quickly organized to get a jump ahead of any Microsoft announcement. They could have easily waited till june
MakeMeFeelAlive
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Thats not always true. Samsung teases their products forca long time, hosts a presser in March, and wont start releasing till May or june at the earliest. And even then, its in limited markets and wont be fully available till july.
Plus, those are devices that come out YEARLY, so obviously the window for showing it off and releasing is much tighter. Theyll have a new product ready in less than a year from the time they are announced. Consoles are much greater cycles. They are apples and oranges. Its much more akin to cars. Cars are newly designed every 3 - 4 years or so and are teased for a full year. And even then, cars are on shorter development cycles than consoles. Im sorry, but i completely disagree
mckmas8808
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So who the heck is buying Call of Duty and Gran Theft Auto in the 20 million units? Who bought AC3 and made it sell about 10 million units?
FonkyByNature
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Seeing these posts by the mainstream media depresses me. It's like MS payed them or something...
The New York Times especially, my god !
I'm wondering what these guys expected, everything ?
I think Sony played it smart, they had an incredible showing imo. They showed the future, Gaikai alone should have been praised to the max ! not counting the new interface, social integration, powerful hardware, promising games and future, integration with smartphones, playing PS4 games on Vita... man, for a first show, they blew me away !
I know that there will be more and i like it that way, Sony will show the games, the box, price and all that. Some people are just not patient or expecting too much big things.
It's not like Microsoft are gonna be that different, they too will have a box that has social features, play games, stream on mobile devices and all that jazz. But i have a feeling the media will lick MS's balls...
Anyway, i'm buying a PS4 day one ! It's a gamers machine ! will probably be my main console unless Microsoft blow me away, but i doubt it.
The New York Times especially, my god !
I'm wondering what these guys expected, everything ?
I think Sony played it smart, they had an incredible showing imo. They showed the future, Gaikai alone should have been praised to the max ! not counting the new interface, social integration, powerful hardware, promising games and future, integration with smartphones, playing PS4 games on Vita... man, for a first show, they blew me away !
I know that there will be more and i like it that way, Sony will show the games, the box, price and all that. Some people are just not patient or expecting too much big things.
It's not like Microsoft are gonna be that different, they too will have a box that has social features, play games, stream on mobile devices and all that jazz. But i have a feeling the media will lick MS's balls...
Anyway, i'm buying a PS4 day one ! It's a gamers machine ! will probably be my main console unless Microsoft blow me away, but i doubt it.
Some of you are acting like this is on par with how Nintendo handled the Wii U. We know what is in this thing, and it's beyond impressive. They are not hiding anything, but are likely finalizing the case/look and saving more details to share as the year progresses. They were on stage for two hours discussing features, specs and showing games and what will be possible. Yet some of you say they showed nothing? That is laughable.
MakeMeFeelAlive
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There is a ps4 headline on every website i have visited today except for espn. And that is without showing biggest features. Id say that is a marketing win, which is what last night was all about, marketing. If you thought they would announce a price, or an e3 style megaton then thats on you. Thats completely unrealistic and no one thought they would do that
Whether or not they are building the right product for their business is still very much up in the air. Nintendo went in the opposite direction, and so far it's a bust. We'll have to see what MS does. I'm not claiming the PS4 is going to be great for Sony's bottom line.
I'm just saying that anyine who thinks "the excitement in video games has shifted to the Web and mobile devices" isn't going to spend $500 on a box to plug into his TV, so there's no point in trying to market to him. For now, at least, Sony is embracing us. Which is why I think it's weird that anyone who cares enough about games to post of GAF would be bummed out by yesterday's show. Who gives a shit about the shell?
Uno Venova
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Should have announced sony exclusives on IOS.
maybe uploading screenshots to instagram with a filter applied?
Neko Mimi Mode
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You haven't read the OP then.
Kaz Hirai could have come on stage, shat on the floor, announced the PS4 and walked out and it would have made headlines the next day. It doesn't mean much in the long run.
Well, you're certainly lock step in line with the lazy media on this one. I realize not being able to regurgitate a press release with simple facts makes it more intellectually challenging to write an article, but is it too much to ask a journalist to do their job? There was some incredible information revealed last night about the future of the industry and showed in explicit detail how the PS4 will be an excellent platform for both gamers and developers.
The thing is, its very obvious that Sony has a LOT more they have yet to reveal. For all intents and purposes, the meeting did exactly what it stated it'd do: outline the future of playstation. That means you're going to detail the new paradigm and thinking going into the architecture of the next playstation and follow through with organizing how the consumer fits into this landscape they'll be creating.
So not announcing price and showing the console is actually acceptable. It's just that so many people failed to realize what the meeting really was. Also it's really not a big deal to not show the console. You know exactly what the hardware is already, the more important thing was shown which was the controlling devices for the console. This is a completely different Sony where for PS3 reveal they showed the console and held it up like a trophy while keeping details of the controller.
So not announcing price and showing the console is actually acceptable. It's just that so many people failed to realize what the meeting really was. Also it's really not a big deal to not show the console. You know exactly what the hardware is already, the more important thing was shown which was the controlling devices for the console. This is a completely different Sony where for PS3 reveal they showed the console and held it up like a trophy while keeping details of the controller.
Tyrone_Biggums
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The Wii didn't do any of those things and it sold around 100 million consoles to date. It's visibility and mass market appeal are what made it successful. The image of owning the Wii is what made it, not its capabilities. It smoked 2 other HD consoles with exponentially more capability all because of social perception.
the shape of the wii had absolutely 0 to do with why it sold 100 million devices, so lets not just jump around to try to make your argument effective
BigDaddyFatSack
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LOL @ non-gamers talking as if they know what they know what they're talking about just to feel important.
MakeMeFeelAlive
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Except for the fact that they announced the specs (has nintendo even done this officially?). Announced gaikai features, pause/resume, new controller and features, and some games.
So, people actually wanted sony to announce everything and sit on their hands till its released in November? Sorry, but thats just ridiculous
learnedhand
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Exactly.
There are many, more suitable venues ahead to discuss details and ratchet hype. I'm glad the hype is not over-the-top, because it is always followed closely by the "anti-hype".
I was astonished they showed so much, really. And I love their emphasis on the developer. Make it easy for them. Have great specs and allow them to focus on the experience.
Because the bottom line is content.
(ps. Dear Sony, get oculus rift on-board. Now please. You're welcome.)
So I have a question for you. When they show this at E3 (and they will) will you personally look back and say "too bad they didn't show this in February...". Will you? Will the media say that, or will they just post pictures of it and write an article about it because it's their job? I just feel this is a non-issue. Something to argue and cry about until the next thing to argue and cry about comes up. It really doesn't matter. It didn't hurt them. Once they show the console, people will forget they failed to show it in February because consumers are fickle as hell.
Did the fact that the PS3 looked like a George Foreman grill ultimately matter?
How long did it take for that iphone antenna issue to stop mattering?
Do people still even bitch about the map issue?
MS released a shitty console that was guaranteed to break within a couple years? Do people even talk about that any more?
When they show this thing in June and people cry about how it looks like a toaster, will people still give a shit that they didn't show it in February?
Shit like this just doesn't matter in this world. It's just a "thing" in a series of "things" that will simply cease to matter in a couple of months and people like those quoted in the OP are just encouraging all this BS talk about it and making people like you talk around it pretending it will actually matter in the grand scheme of things. It's ridiculous.
I never saw mobile gaming as anything more than a complement to consoles. A person placated with some simple dollar games on their phone was probably not going to drop a few hundred on a console.
I would expect hardware sales to fall on a product(s) that have not underwent any significant upgrades or had their price cut in years.
I would expect hardware sales to fall on a product(s) that have not underwent any significant upgrades or had their price cut in years.
Days like these...
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