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[Jtibh]

There is no need to get mad.
You're jumping to conclusions, not a very good trait to have in this day and age.
But let's agree to disagree and move on.

P.S: I have both consoles on pre-order for day 1

First off someone with an account from 2017 with 68 posts has no valeu to me.

Not a good trait in this day and age?
Jumping to conclusion yet you are the one saying xbox proves ps5 doesnt have to be as big but when i point out that xbox runs fucking hot like extreme hot and maybe its a good thing ps5 is as big you tell me i know shit and make shit up and youtubers just click bait etc they all lie......

Buddy you are a joke.
You are a funny man

 

[BigLee74]

I'm having a good laugh at folk claiming the inside of their machine is superior to the other.

Who gives a shit? Who ever opens up their console?

The only important factor here is how the outside looks, and nothing can currently hide the ugly of the PS5. Maybe somebody can create some custom clip on panels to make it look like the XSX?

 

[Jtibh]

Get this fake news FUD out of here.

Prove to me that it is!!

Show me your xbox and take the temperature.
Then we can talk

 

[Birdo]

The series X they tore down months ago wasn't actually a real one. It was missing a lot of internal parts.

We haven't seen a retail Series X taken apart yet.

 

[megreotsugua]

The intricacy of PS5 engineering and assembly is so Japanese. Every single detail is so well though out.

Xsx, on the other hand, is like an fresh engineering graduate design.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Game

Gamespot is sony soy????
The reports are coming from everyone with a test unit. Then you have others making a video off.

The content is still valid only the messanger is different.

You don't even have the right source for your FUD. The guy who touched the SSD was Giantbomb Jeff, who later claimed it wasn't an issue and the console isn't overheating.

Multiple people who have the console have confirmed there is no heat issue with it. Tom Warren, Jez Corden, Jeff Grubb and others. It's all unfounded FUD peddled by people who had no intention of getting an Xbox but ironically own a PS4 Pro, one of the hottest and loudest consoles ever.

 

[Jtibh]

I'm having a good laugh at folk claiming the inside of their machine is superior to the other.

Who gives a shit? Who ever opens up their console?

The only important factor here is how the outside looks, and nothing can currently hide the ugly of the PS5. Maybe somebody can create some custom clip on panels to make it look like the XSX?

Ps5 looks ugly yes. Maube i just take off the panels and make some custom wood cover that will make it look like a piece of furniture.

Actually......i might do that...some exotic wood with some nice high gloos finish..so i can display this monstrosity

 

[megreotsugua]

[QUOTE="Birdo, post: 260530735, member: 756262"
The series X they tore down months ago wasn't actually a real one. It was missing a lot of internal parts.

We haven't seen a retail Series X taken apart yet.


The real one is running really hot it will almost shut down as attested by hands-on tests.[/QUOTE]

 

[Jtibh]

You don't even have the right source for your FUD. The guy who touched the SSD was Guantbomb Jeff, who later claimed it wasn't an issue and the console isn't overheating.

Multiple people who have the console have confirmed there is no heat issue with it. Tom Warren, Jez Corden, Jeff Grubb and others. It's all unfounded FUD peddled by people who had no intention of getting an Xbox but ironically own a PS4 Pro, one of the hottest and loudest consoles ever.

You have a unit to prove otherwise???
Please share your experience

 

[theHFIC]

While I am not a fan of the required base for horizontal PS5 placement, I do appreciate the elegance in the design...

On the horizontal Xbox pictures that I see, the base always seems to be there poking out at the bottom. Have they said if it was removable or not? Also does the side that it rests on have any type of rubber stoppers/pads/feet? Or do they come separate where it can be added should you want to make your xbox horizontal?

 

[DeepEnigma]

That PS5 is bigger than dudes whole torso

So was the PS4. Same dude who did that teardown, he's a lil guy.

 

[MarkMe2525]

The intricacy of PS5 engineering and assembly is so Japanese. Every single detail is so well though out.

Xsx, on the other hand, is like an fresh engineering graduate design.

It's quite the opposite when you phrase the comparison in this manner. Every seasoned engineer knows to "KISS" their design for best results. "Keep It Simple Stupid". It's usually the inexperienced that adds needless complexity.

I don't have a dog in this fight as I like both. Just wanted to point out the issue with that statement. I'm not an engineer, but I did grow up with one.

Edit: After thinking about it, this seems like a very subjective stance we are taking on the console internal design. I honestly don't know which one would be considered simpler. It seems to me like the Series x is a more straightforward approach (attach all components to metal chassis and pull air through) but I really could be wrong.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

You have a unit to prove otherwise???
Please share your experience

That's not how this works, dipshit. I don't need to disprove your FUD, the burden of proof lies on you.

 

[XOMTOR]

The PS5 is a straight-forward, traditional design on the inside but bonkers on the outside. The SeX is just the opposite. I definitely prefer the latter; not a fan of flashy electronics, nor asymmetry. One thing I don't understand about the PS5 is, why pull cool air in at the top and exhaust it towards the bottom? Seems kinda backwards to me.

 

[Yoboman]

It's quite the opposite when you phrase the comparison in this manner. Every seasoned engineer knows to "KISS" their design for best results. "Keep It Simple Stupid". It's usually the inexperienced that adds needless complexity.

Sonys design would be that though, it's fairly traditional with some well thought out cooling solutions

This looks like they crammed everything they could in as tightly as possible

Let's hope the heating issues are just over exaggerated and there is enough room for good airflow in there

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Xbox looks pretty basic in comparison imo

PS5 looks like Square Enix got to help design it. Surprised there isn't three belt buckles on there.

At the end of the day though who cares. It will play games.

 

[Insane Metal]

PS5 looks very well designed and thought out both internally and externally.

XSX looks ok too. Simple but effective.

 

[tillbot8]

Both are good. If both last the generation then both are very good! You People who are warring are sweating the small stuff!

 

[sircaw]

I will say it right out the gate, the ps5 looks like a work of art to me.

I am sure the xbox will be fine but everything looks so crammed in, it just looks very simple in terms of thought.

 

[Jtibh]

That's not how this works, dipshit. I don't need to disprove your FUD, the burden of proof lies on you.

Dont know what to say to this other than i have to report your insult.

Shows real character to name call other members of the community when you dont know how else to answer.

Tone it down buddy

 

[Ailike]

I'm too lazy to watch videos, so someone break it down for me.

Are the space fins necessary?

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Dont know what to say to this other than i have to report your insult.

Shows real character to name call other members of the community when you dont know how else to answer.

Tone it down buddy

Report away, the FUD you posted has seen others banned so I'll be happy to have a mod come and investigate

 

[MarkMe2525]

Sonys design would be that though, it's fairly traditional with some well thought out cooling solutions

This looks like they crammed everything they could in as tightly as possible

Let's hope the heating issues are just over exaggerated and there is enough room for good airflow in there

Have large metal chassis, then attach components to it to dissipate heat. You pull air through afterwards to cool metal chassis. What you called "crammed" just as easily can be described as compact and efficient.

I am no expert though. There are better people to dissect these internal designs and I doubt we will find meaningful input here on NEOGAF.

 

[Jtibh]

Report away, the FUD you posted has seen others banned so I'll be happy to have a mod come and investigate

Already did

 

[wordslaughter]

One thing I don't understand about the PS5 is, why pull cool air in at the top and exhaust it towards the bottom? Seems kinda backwards to me.

I'd like a better explanation of this too. Because if that's true (and based on the teardown it seems to be true) then it's just ... wrong.

I've never seen any PC part that takes air in through the top and vent in out the bottom. And it's not a coincidence. We don't see that because it would result in higher temperatures for no good reason.

Maybe the Japanese to closed captions are getting it wrong? Something mixed up in translation.

But the teardown video does say "This is where the cooling fan is built in. The fan is capable of drawing in a lot of air from both sides"

I assumed it was the exhaust and not the intake.... and maybe it is. But the video makes it seem like it's an intake... at the top. Weird.

 

[lastmessiah]

The Xbox internal design is so bad compared to what Sony did with the PS5. The Xbox parts are just mashed together with a fan on top with so many of the holes blocked. If you put the Xbox sideways the big round stand just sits there looking ridiculous, not to mention blocking nearly all air intake. The PS5 has a freakin' compartment for the attachment screw and they even give you a small bit to fill the screw hole when you lay it sideways. So much attention to detail. It's just a completely different approach to system design, and sadly the Xbox XSX continues Microsoft's "legendary" design chops. I don't get how Microsoft can still churn out the kinds of products it does in every area when they have decades of seeing superior competition. They don't even seem to get why they turn out inferior products. It's maddening.

Imagine the bitterness and delusion one must carry to type something like this.

 

[Great Hair]

who later claimed it wasn't an issue and the console isn't overheating.

The thing is, he never said anything about overheating. That´s your interpretation. On the stream, he said: "why is this hot, super hot" about the SSD and "XSX gets toasty" attributing it to a "pre-prodcution issue", even though a pp.model is really a retail unit (except for the software).

The other two cases were:
The guy from ars technica left the gamepad on top of the XSX for 10h (over night). Claims the gamepad was still warm the next day. And the Jeuxvideo crew stating that the XSX gets hot, violently?hot.

And why would 3x outlets lie? It´s not like Tom, Jeff or Jez have not spread FUD for the past 10 months or so. The only real concern here, these got hot playing BC titles.

 

[mikefrails]

After seeing what you have to do just to turn the thing sideways, I'm giving it to Xbox. Better console in every way.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Do vapor chambers really make the heat sink that much smaller? It seems the PS5 has 3X the metal.

 

[Jtibh]

The thing is, he never said anything about overheating. That´s your interpretation. On the stream, he said: "why is this hot, super hot" about the SSD and "XSX gets toasty" attributing it to a "pre-prodcution issue", even though a pp.model is really a retail unit (except for the software).

The other two cases were:
The guy from ars technica left the gamepad on top of the XSX for 10h (over night). Claims the gamepad was still warm the next day. And the Jeuxvideo crew stating that the XSX gets hot, violently?hot.

And why would 3x outlets lie? It´s not like Tom, Jeff or Jez have not spread FUD for the past 10 months or so. The only real concern here, these got hot playing BC titles.

And i am the one spreading FUD huh?
Dont bother with these short sighted 10 year olds.

No matter if true or not these reports are concerning and should be looked at.

Since we have no hands on in retail or where ever and since both sold us a console on blind fate alone these reports are very important.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

The thing is, he never said anything about overheating. That´s your interpretation. On the stream, he said: "why is this hot, super hot" about the SSD and "XSX gets toasty" attributing it to a "pre-prodcution issue", even though a pp.model is really a retail unit (except for the software).

He personally debunked this on Twitter, actually.

The other two cases were:
The guy from ars technica left the gamepad on top of the XSX for 10h (over night). Claims the gamepad was still warm the next day. And the Jeuxvideo crew stating that the XSX gets hot, violently?hot.

The Ars Technica review, by Sam, stated the heat dissipation was normal and that the only reason the controller he left on top of the unit was hot was because he had left the machine running during that time.

The French reviewer gave no indication of what was happening and it's not a basis for anything.

The issue isn't "does the Xbox Series X" dissipate heat, because of course it does and of course it should. The issue here is some are trying to say this occurs on a dangerous level, to which I point you in the direction of the Verge Tom's remark;

 

[FrankWza]

I'm having a good laugh at folk claiming the inside of their machine is superior to the other.

Who gives a shit? Who ever opens up their console?

The only important factor here is how the outside looks, and nothing can currently hide the ugly of the PS5. Maybe somebody can create some custom clip on panels to make it look like the XSX?

Because the internals dictate what you can make the console look like on the outside. After the tear down you can see Sony could have made the plates smaller but integrated that into the cooling solution. They gave it an "open" design. There's also a large heat sink in there. They listened to their fans and focused on cooling and fan noise. The Xbox didn't. If it stays just as cool and quiet as Sony's then they pulled off a better design and engineering job. If not, it will be criticized for cramming parts in to a small space. Either way, we won't know until they are both in real world conditions( actual gamers living rooms)

 

[Dr Bass]

Imagine the bitterness and delusion one must carry to type something like this.

Or perhaps the computer engineering and programming experience. Bitterness and delusion? I'll gladly put my credentials up against yours.

Are you actually arguing that the Xbox XSX internals is well thought out or even had decent amounts of work put into it? Compare it to the elegance of the PS5 design or, for a similar form factor, the 2013 Mac Pro which it clearly derived some kind of inspiration from. The difference in execution is like looking at a Rembrandt painting vs a kindergartner's crayon sketch.

Imagine the bitterness and ignorance one must carry to deny what is so obvious to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge.

To wit:

Behold the skillful engineering and beauty!

This crap is literally why Microsoft continues to be Microsoft, and people not in engineering don't really get it.

 

[Iced Arcade]

So was the PS4. Same dude who did that teardown, he's a lil guy.

Oh never seen, only seen the PS4 pro (was a different guy).

The official size dimensions are out now so

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

I don't know how anyone can look at these two videos and think that the Series X design is inferior to the PS5. Microsoft achieved some crazy, intricate engineering with the Series X. Vapor cooling. Shielding layers of components from each other in a compact design while having more overall horse power than the PS5. Meanwhile the PS5 is just a big board with a massive heatsink. They just made a big console.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Geez the actual design of them is worlds apart - the Xbox was seemingly designed much more efficiently and thoughtfully to be able to get a more powerful machine significantly smaller and also less complicated in terms of teardown and put together.

Panos and his surface team are just next level.

 

[lastmessiah]

Or perhaps the computer engineering and programming experience. Bitterness and delusion? I'll gladly put my credentials up against yours.

Are you actually arguing that the Xbox XSX internals is well thought out or even had decent amounts of work put into it? Compare it to the elegance of the PS5 design or, for a similar form factor, the 2013 Mac Pro which it clearly derived some kind of inspiration from. The difference in execution is like looking at a Rembrandt painting vs a kindergartner's crayon sketch.

Imagine the bitterness and ignorance one must carry to deny what is so obvious to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge.

To wit:

Behold the skillful engineering and beauty!

This crap is literally why Microsoft continues to be Microsoft, and people not in engineering don't really get it.

sure thing guy.

see ya back here in a few months.

 

[Dr Bass]

I don't know how anyone can look at these two videos and think that the Series X design is inferior to the PS5. Microsoft achieved some crazy, intricate engineering with the Series X. Vapor cooling. Shielding layers of components from each other in a compact design while having more overall horse power than the PS5. Meanwhile the PS5 is just a big board with a massive heatsink. They just made a big console.

Because the MS parts are mashed together in a literal computer part sandwich, stuck it in a square, and slapped a fan on top of everything. Where is the airflow? A vast majority of the intake and exhaust holes are covered, either by internal parts, a rubber stand that can't be removed in a horizontal position, or some plastic green thing that serves no function. The heat sink on the Xbox XSX isn't that large.

The PS5 is a simple clean board, a massive heat sink that will prove to be very useful in dissipating heat and a large singular fan that will move air through the system on both sides. There is ample air flow designed into the system and it's not blocked. The stand is removable and looks great in either position, with thought put into the smallest details, such as how to store the single screw required for vertical position when it's in the horizontal position. For the Xbox, you push it over, and the stand just sticks out when it's on its side. Like you've put a blender on it's side and just don't care. For the PS5 It's attention to detail, similar to an Apple product, and it looks extremely well done.

I'm sorry, but comparatively speaking this design:

is absurd.

sure thing guy.

see ya back here in a few months.

Uh ok. Not sure what you think you're accomplishing. You're just blasting aspersions but I'm explaining the difference in engineering approaches between the two systems and how obvious it is. You want to say I'm "bitter" for pointing out simple facts, so I just tossed it back your way to show it's silly.

If you actually have a point or something substantive to say, I'm all ears.

 

[FrankWza]

I don't know how anyone can look at these two videos and think that the Series X design is inferior to the PS5. Microsoft achieved some crazy, intricate engineering with the Series X. Vapor cooling. Shielding layers of components from each other in a compact design while having more overall horse power than the PS5. Meanwhile the PS5 is just a big board with a massive heatsink. They just made a big console.

The people who are engineers or engineering-minded will appreciate what is happening on the outside. Others may look at it completely from an aesthetic perspective and say it's big or it's just a box. I can see both sides. The one thing I'm wondering is, will either console easily fit in most people cabinets or tv stand?

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

So, is it true or not that the Series X dissipates a lot of heat from the top?

 

[FrankWza]

Because the MS parts are mashed together in a literal computer part sandwich, stuck it in a square, and slapped a fan on top of everything. Where is the airflow? A vast majority of the intake and exhaust holes are covered, either by internal parts, a rubber stand that can't be removed in a horizontal position, or some plastic green thing that serves no function. The heat sink on the Xbox XSX isn't that large.

The PS5 is a simple clean board, a massive heat sink that will prove to be very useful in dissipating heat and a large singular fan that will move air through the system on both sides. There is ample air flow designed into the system and it's not blocked. The stand is removable and looks great in either position, with thought put into the smallest details, such as how to store the single screw required for vertical position when it's in the horizontal position. For the Xbox, you push it over, and the stand just sticks out when it's on its side. Like you've put a blender on it's side and just don't care. For the PS5 It's attention to detail, similar to an Apple product, and it looks extremely well done.

I'm sorry, but comparatively speaking this design:

is absurd.



Uh ok. Not sure what you think you're accomplishing. You're just blasting aspersions but I'm explaining the difference in engineering approaches between the two systems and how obvious it is. You want to say I'm "bitter" for pointing out simple facts, so I just tossed it back your way to show it's silly.

If you actually have a point or something substantive to say, I'm all ears.

I think that pic says a lot about the engineering argument. It does look crammed in. Like an old dell tower from a long time ago. It will be pretty amazing if that runs cool AND quiet.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I'm sorry, but comparatively speaking this design:

With this one simple cross sectional picture I can see exactly the heat flow of the Series X. This is indeed a simple and elegant design.

 

[FrankWza]

This is part of what Sony released in the blog post that included the teardown video.

"We felt it was inevitable to make a generational leap in terms of performance in order to deliver a new, next-generation gaming experience. However, to do so, we had to balance every aspect of the system, from focusing on reducing the noise level to enhancing the cooling capacity, more than ever before."

This was a big part of their focus.

 

[lastmessiah]

Because the MS parts are mashed together in a literal computer part sandwich, stuck it in a square, and slapped a fan on top of everything. Where is the airflow? A vast majority of the intake and exhaust holes are covered, either by internal parts, a rubber stand that can't be removed in a horizontal position, or some plastic green thing that serves no function. The heat sink on the Xbox XSX isn't that large.

The PS5 is a simple clean board, a massive heat sink that will prove to be very useful in dissipating heat and a large singular fan that will move air through the system on both sides. There is ample air flow designed into the system and it's not blocked. The stand is removable and looks great in either position, with thought put into the smallest details, such as how to store the single screw required for vertical position when it's in the horizontal position. For the Xbox, you push it over, and the stand just sticks out when it's on its side. Like you've put a blender on it's side and just don't care. For the PS5 It's attention to detail, similar to an Apple product, and it looks extremely well done.

I'm sorry, but comparatively speaking this design:

is absurd.



Uh ok. Not sure what you think you're accomplishing. You're just blasting aspersions but I'm explaining the difference in engineering approaches between the two systems and how obvious it is. You want to say I'm "bitter" for pointing out simple facts, so I just tossed it back your way to show it's silly.

If you actually have a point or something substantive to say, I'm all ears.

anyone with a brain can see that the XSX is a superior engineering design from the perspective of a home console that is sold to a mass market. But you have some kind of emotional attachment to Sony (of all things, lmao) that compels you to type utter nonsense and expose your biases to anyone who can bear it. It's just sad, and it will get even sadder when this thing hits the market and leaves a sour taste in the mouth of consumers. It's also hilarious how you compare this to an Apple product - any Apple engineer would be laughed out of the room and fired for suggesting something that looks like this. Not that it would happen, nor would it at Microsoft, because these companies have engineers who know what they're doing.

 

[Dr Bass]

With this one simple cross sectional picture I can see exactly the heat flow of the Series X. This is indeed a simple and elegant design.

Really? Explain it then. Because I see a bunch of chunky boxes without any kind of actual paths for air to flow over and through. The disc drive sites right in the middle of the entire system. The fan is literally plopped onto the top of a pile of components. Then you have the blocked holes for the casing ...

anyone with a brain can see that the XSX is a superior engineering design from the perspective of a home console that is sold to a mass market. But you have some kind of emotional attachment to Sony (of all things, lmao) that compels you to type utter nonsense and expose your biases to anyone who can bear it. It's just sad, and it will get even sadder when this thing hits the market and leaves a sour taste in the mouth of consumers. It's also hilarious how you compare this to an Apple product - any Apple engineer would be laughed out of the room and fired for suggesting something that looks like this. Not that it would happen, nor would it at Microsoft, because these companies have engineers who know what they're doing.

"Anyone with a brain" ... uh ok. That kind of comment holds no water. Again, no problem having a mod verifying my career credentials. And I don't give a crap about any of these companies, but I am a fan of excellence. Also I have an XSX reservation and MSFT stock, and I don't have a PS5 pre-order (couldn't get one). I'm merely calling it as it is. It's pretty much the opposite to me, people seem desperate to try and knock the PS5 down for reasons that don't even exist.

Microsoft has plenty of software and hardware problems with their products. Go look at the reviews for the new Surface Duo, a product so poorly thought out that "anyone with a brain" should have known it was DOA in the design stage. I argue that actually MS does not attract the top talent in the industry and plenty of people would agree with that.

And yes, the PS5, if wrapped in a higher end case is much more similar to the design of an Apple product than XSX. I've taken apart some of my past Macs to modify them and am very familiar with the internals of their most recent computers. The internals look very well laid out. It's a truly custom and thoughtfully approached design. The XSX looks internally how I used to pack my lunch when I was in grade school.

Again. Nothing emotional. Don't care about any of the companies involved. Just looking at the facts.

 

[FloatingIslands]

I really like the xsx design. So simple and compact.

The ps5 is just too big and overengineered.

 

[Danjin44]

I personally don't care what they have to do, make it big or have weird design....I couldn't care less, as long as it play games and doesn't have any issue then I'm happy.

I'm no tech expert or tech enthusiast, I only care about the end result.

 

[VeganElduderino]

i buy consoles for good games and well.....this is where Playstation shines, no contest there , Sony wins.

 

[CeeJay]

Or perhaps the computer engineering and programming experience. Bitterness and delusion? I'll gladly put my credentials up against yours.

Are you actually arguing that the Xbox XSX internals is well thought out or even had decent amounts of work put into it? Compare it to the elegance of the PS5 design or, for a similar form factor, the 2013 Mac Pro which it clearly derived some kind of inspiration from. The difference in execution is like looking at a Rembrandt painting vs a kindergartner's crayon sketch.

So you are going to double down, ok...

Let me put it into terms of computer progaming, which is more elegant?

A program that has less lines of code (physical parts), one which is more optimised (physical size) and one which runs faster (more power/performance) or one which is the oposite of these things?

The number one rule of product design is to keep things simple/elegant. An elegant solution to put a console on its side is not one which requires tools, an over-engineered base with moving parts and a relitively complex procedure to swap it from one position to another. Surely the most elegant solution is one where there isn't a base and you just put the console on its side? It doesn't get any simpler than that. I am not saying that the XSX design is perfect because that base it has looks a bit odd when on it's side and there is the question about the seeming lack of rubber feet in horizontal mode. But to call the PS5 design elegant is extremely disengenuous. And to compare the two as one being a masterpeice and the other a childs crayon drawing is nothing short of hyperbole. You may be signalling your professional qualifications in engineering but what your writing shows is blind fanboy bias and a total lack of objectivity on the subject.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Really? Explain it then. Because I see a bunch of chunky boxes without any kind of actual paths for air to flow over and through. The disc drive sites right in the middle of the entire system. The fan is literally plopped onto the top of a pile of components. Then you have the blocked holes for the casing ...

The heat starts in the bottom right and moves staight left out the fan. No curves. No right angles. Nothing in the way.

Edit- I'm talking about the main heat sink. As for the rest of the cooling I'm not so sure. That center chassis for the rest of the cooling is much more complicated and I also don't know how the air travels