PlayStation: Xbox's Call of Duty offer was "inadequate on many levels"
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JackMcGunns
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Because Sony is known for sharing their franchises.
It came out on the 360 due to the HDD and because the PS2 Slim couldn't use the PS2 HDD.
Those were the remasters everyone got them.
Doesn't change the fact that using Jim's own logic; Final Fantasy has been on the Xbox since 2006 (the same year Call of Duty arrived on the PS3, Big Red One was on the PS2 the year earlier), but people seem to think it's perfectly fine for him to block Final Fantasy games from Xbox.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
OMG. I am dying here.
HeisenbergFX4
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Just curious why people think Phil is the one fuming here when he holds all the cards, or soon will IF the deal goes through"philnocchio" is a great name
he must be fuming right now...............
SLB1904
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call of duty is not Microsoft franchise, sony isn't out here trying to get halo
Sosokrates
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Jim Ryan trying to paint himself as a 'hero of the gamers' is hilarious
Ash Sparrow
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Beggars cant be choosers. This dude better be glad he is getting anything. The nerve of him. I know MS needs the acquisitions to go through, but if you aint putting God of War on Xbox shut up. I love games flowing to every console. I'd be fine with a console that plays everything, but this dude has some nerve.
They will have Titanfall 3?
Stuart360
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I'm actually surprised it seems like the plan is to eventually take away COF from Playstation. I mean just having COD on Gamepass will be a huge insentive to buy an Xbox from the casual masses. And the hardcore Sony fanboys that would never buy an Xbox, well MS get $70 from them for the sales of the game.
sainraja
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Well, there is Bungie that proves that wrong. There is no grace period with current, future Bungie games. You might argue that it's because of Bungie but Sony agreed to those terms.
I think they just want the option of doing that, which is understandable. They didn't spend 70B for nothing. With the 3 year promise, they can argue the point of trying to be 'reasonable' with their competitors, that they already tried doing.
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Leyasu
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Are the regulators really going to put such granular controls on the I.Ps though?Will be even longer now since the UK Gov wont like this at all
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mansoor1980
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because phil is the good guy , always with a smile on his face.
which makes me think , what makes him tick? , I WANT TO SEE THIS GUY GET ANGRY , LOSE HIS COOL
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
"Inadequate" in what way? Sony isn't a party in this transaction. They aren't entitled to anything.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Playing the world's smallest violin for Jim "timed exclusive" Ryan
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Sony has blocked numerous titles off of the Xbox console. Even games MS owns like Ghostwire Toyko and Deathloop aren't on Xbox currently. Games that have been on Xbox previously like Final Fantasy and Street Fighter were also denied. As mentioned earlier MS continued making Minecraft games on other platforms even after that acquisition.
MS is doing what they need to so support their customers. Sony has proven that they are clearly not too worried about Xbox gamers being denied games but MS at least was nice enough to make assurances on content they intend to purchase will be available on PlayStation for a time.
If Jim Ryan is not happy about the terms Phil Spencer offered he is free to put in a higher bid for Activision. He can then guarantee those titles will be on PlayStation forever and can even block them from ever hitting an Xbox again. It's business and he is free to compete. For now he should be grateful since he is hardly in a position to make demands.
MS is doing what they need to so support their customers. Sony has proven that they are clearly not too worried about Xbox gamers being denied games but MS at least was nice enough to make assurances on content they intend to purchase will be available on PlayStation for a time.
If Jim Ryan is not happy about the terms Phil Spencer offered he is free to put in a higher bid for Activision. He can then guarantee those titles will be on PlayStation forever and can even block them from ever hitting an Xbox again. It's business and he is free to compete. For now he should be grateful since he is hardly in a position to make demands.
Sosokrates
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That is so hilarious. Its shit like this which is why sony will struggle with the way things will ultimately go.
Salty Popsicle
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Sony agreed to those terms because there would have no deal without that stipulation. Bungie made sure to never again lose control of their IP and their publishing power after leaving Microsoft.
DenchDeckard
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Poor Jim.....Poor, Poor Jimbo!
Phil ya lying git......This gonna get ugly. We need something exciting, coz the gaming is not giving us what we want lol
Phil ya lying git......This gonna get ugly. We need something exciting, coz the gaming is not giving us what we want lol
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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A whole lot of Microsoft fanboyism going on in this thread. This industry is being ruined by consolidation. It's sad really. And instead of seeing the bigger picture, all the kids are like "LOL Chad Phil, buy something else to screw with Jim and Sony lolololol"
People act like it doesn't affect Nintendo.
All Microsoft are doing is trying to buy love by buying the market. It's really simple. It's going to impact a lot of people. But the truth is Sony could buy a few publishers but it's not going to make games any more fun.
Let's get Sony to buy Capcom and Square, then Microsoft can buy SEGA and Sony will buy Namco and Konami, so Microsoft will buy Take 2 and Ubisoft etc. Where's the fun in that?
People act like it doesn't affect Nintendo.
All Microsoft are doing is trying to buy love by buying the market. It's really simple. It's going to impact a lot of people. But the truth is Sony could buy a few publishers but it's not going to make games any more fun.
Let's get Sony to buy Capcom and Square, then Microsoft can buy SEGA and Sony will buy Namco and Konami, so Microsoft will buy Take 2 and Ubisoft etc. Where's the fun in that?
JackMcGunns
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Oddvintagechap
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LMAO Phil tried to use Playstation for a quicker approval. Two-faced Phil gonna need to toot Jim's horn a little harder.
I like this. LETS GET MESSY.
I like this. LETS GET MESSY.
Barakov
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Things are getting spicy. Fair play to Jimbo for calling out Spencer on this. Then again he's guilty of doing it himself with smaller games, compared to COD anyway. It happened with the Bethesda stuff now there's a chance for it to happen with COD in the next 3-4 years. Now is the time for Sony to make some moves that will help when/if COD is just on Xbox/PC. Maybe Bungie can help them with that?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, im enjoying it. This is like all the drama surrounding Dont Worry Darling. I wouldve never seen that movie but after seeing Harry Styles spit on Chris Pine and hearing he was banging Olivia Wilde in the trailer while they shot the movie without her has me intrigued.
SLB1904
Banned
is it ?Well it is now
so why are we having this conversation then lol
man i hope this deal dont go through just to see some of you losing their minds
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Call of Duty is a third party franchise that was put up for sale...and Microsoft paid the purchasing price. Cry harder?
sainraja
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Sony could buy EA and make Battlefield and Medal of Honor PS exclusive.
Indeed this is the only goal here.
Exposing how the idea of COD being the new Minecraft is just a lie that Phil is trying to sell to regulators and hope they can put enough pressure that they're forced to make bigger concessions rather than risking the deal to be blocked.
If will be interesting to see the position of other European regulators, usually it's totally in line with UK on this stuff.
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3liteDragon
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Lol that doesn't mean shit, Sony's letting them self-publish like Microsoft is with Bethesda. That's the whole point of acquiring 100% of a company's shares, you fully own them now. If Jimbo tells them tomorrow that from now on PlayStation Studios will publish Bungie's games wherever they want, Bungie can't do anything. They're a fully owned subsidiary of SIE now.
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Yoboman
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As I said, that's the direction for now. But Sony may have their hand pushed depending on COD
And it would still remain effectively true by a PS and PC multiplatform scenario
Salty Popsicle
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I made a point, and you brought up the Bungie deal as if that disproves it. The Activision and Bungie deals are fundamentally different.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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PuffyCan
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It makes sense to continue releasing it on PS this generation and make it exclusive next-gen. That way you don't lose players mid-gen who might find something else on PS since they already are in this ecosystem and don't want to buy another system because of COD.
bender
What time is it?
Take Two with R*'s output is really the only thing that could rival the impact of Activision's stable of IP.
I'm sure the people upset about COD being Xbox exclusive will be just as upset about GTA being PS exclusive.
are you serious? Do you really put AAA Big frachises games up to 3 years purchased using their dominant position in the same place as with indi or AA games of 3 months? really?? If so then I understand that you are surprised that XBOX users have reason to complain.... LOL
In short, there is nothing but hypocrisy in Jim Ryan's reaction. He asks for PS users what he denies to Xbox users... And clearly the timing of these words has to do with the idea of complicating the approval of the purchase of ACT-Blz.
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Salty Popsicle
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If Take-Two was willing to sell itself or their assets, there is no chance in hell Sony would be able to outbid Microsoft.
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HeisenbergFX4
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I personally don't think this will make Phil lose his cool in all honesty
If anything Phils next response when the deal goes through is to shrug his shoulders and when people cry about not having COD the next 3 years tells Jimmie..
Yoboman
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Oh can you show me the contracts?
JackMcGunns
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Why are we having this conversation? maybe because Phil said that Sony can have it for 3 more years and Ryan got his panties in a bunch.
Man I hope this deal goes through just to watch YOU lose your mind lol.
sainraja
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Nah, you said if it were Sony things would be different, that we wouldn't even see 3 years. I showed that Sony is willing to do more than that and cited Bungie as an example. Sure, Activision is a bigger purchase and I doubt Sony could buy them but Sony would have agreed to do similar things to acquire Activision if that is what it took.
MS just can't seem to keep their messaging straight at all, lol. They will say all sorts of contradictory things where you just can't take anything they say seriously.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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I personally don't think this will make Phil lose his cool in all honesty
If anything Phils next response when the deal goes through is to shrug his shoulders and when people cry about not having COD the next 3 years tells Jimmie..
Phil wasn't telling Jim they were going to treat COD like Minecraft. He's been caught with his pants down here
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bender
What time is it?
If you want to approach it from a mutually assured destruction standpoint, that would be the play. We'll keep our acquisitions IP multi-platform if you do the same. Making these massive IPs exclusive seems like a weird play as they are bolstered by MTX.
KingT731
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Everyone did not get the remasters at the same time. 9 for example was on PS4 for 2 years before it was on the Switch/Xbox. That's what I'm talking about...the same deal with 7 (PS1 Classic) and the KH Colllections on PS3 as well as FF12 Zodiac Age, Final Fantasy X/X-2 Collection that didn't go to Switch/Xbox until 2019.