Dad, how was Call of Duty before? (Crowbcat)

Black_Stride said:
15 years ago the Call of Duty was Modern Warfare 2........a widely loved Call of Duty that only really had hate because One Man Army and the 1887.
Hell I remember I had a leaked copy of the game and got one of my X360s banned because I was top 20 in the world before the release date......and yeah the servers were full well before release.

2010 was BlackOps another widely loved Call of Duty

2013 was hated because Ghosts just wasnt that good.

Unreal Tournament 3 came out in 07 and it did some ~1 million units....COD would have considered that a failure.
Unreal Tournament R was literally free.
Dooms MP died faster than TitanFalls.

So the evidence has been out there for a while that classic Arena shooters werent the business.
COD staying at the top of the most played list basically year in year out proves that.

COD really only started getting hated around WWII or the changes that Modern Warfare'19 did to the MP.
Otherwise COD has pretty much always been a generally loved title, some of Sledgehammers games have been pretty weak, but if you really think about it Sledgehammer only started leading CODs with Advanced Warfare.
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COD was a punching bag on /v/ back in the day, though everyone loved Black Ops, but for the most part the series got a lot of hate.

I know /v/ isn't everyone, but it was still an influential place on tastes, but generally the way it worked on there is if it was new, it sucked, but now that all the 7th gen stuff is over a decade ago, it's now grown on them, Skyrim and Fallout 3 were hated as watered down experiences for "casuals" too, now they're loved, especially in the case of Skyrim it's hilarious how much they flipped on it.

Halo got a lot of hate as "baby's first FPS", now the classics ones are equally beloved as anything else, but the narrative 15 years ago it was stuff like DOOM and Quake that were seen as the "real" FPS and Halo and COD were watered down bullshit, one point of contention was people missed maze like level design and hated linear point A to point B shooting galleries ala COD, not sure if I could find this now, but I remember seeing a YouTube video where someone used DOOM graphics to mock COD's linearity, DLC and story styles etc, people were happy the original DOOM 4 was canceled because it was going to be more COD esque.

So excuse me if the irony is hilarious to me that old COD and DOOM are equal levels "the good old days" for people now.
 
Soltype said:
Thing I don't understand is why can't they have tasteful character customization, all these games are so noisy that it's actually a detriment to the gameplay. There's nothing wrong with wanting the customize your character, but why does everything have to be so garish?
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Because the people who make these games are psychology majors, trans people and corporate finance executives.

And casual players will always opt in to the most obnoxious aesthetic that a game has to offer.

It's the reason why everyone jerks off to Ghost from OG MW2. He was the only character that stood out aesthetically.
 
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ValiantInstance said:
They used to have balls and take risks, now they follow whatever the data tells them will generate the most revenue for a company
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When you guys say things like this, do you just magically forget about companies like LJN or Acclaim, that would shamelessly take an entire concept from another game, attach it to a TV or movie license, and make it feel worse to play in every way?

Do you forget about those days when Capcom and Activision would sell a minor update for a game as a full 49.99 experience?

Do you forget about the many copy-paste Gears/CoD-like titles of the late 2000s? Or the platformer goldrush post-Mario 64?

Will you guys eventually forget all of the greedy stuff that happened during PS4 gen? Or is that the cut-off point when looking at the past?
 
Games of Today said:
Destiny has street fighter characters!? Fuck off!
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Yeah they just did one for Street Fighter. They had done some eververse stuff prior for games like Ghost/TLOU/Mass Effect (which still fit since they have had the Ghost type of armor for the special occasions and TLOU was a ship or vehicle. Mass Effect just fit and same with Assassins Creed, they did not stand out. The oddest one so far is the street fighter one.
 
Sub_Level said:
The World at War love is revisionist history. It was liked well enough but it was not universally praised by the community at launch. Bouncing betties, overpowered MP40, the stupid dog killstreak, the oversized tank maps, it was ultimately seen as just a CoD4 knockoff. Seeing it portrayed as a classic is very funny.
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The video showcases only WaW's campaign, which from what I remember was pretty widely acclaimed. The MP was a different story, as you say.
 
Sub_Level said:
The World at War love is revisionist history. It was liked well enough but it was not universally praised by the community at launch. Bouncing betties, overpowered MP40, the stupid dog killstreak, the oversized tank maps, it was ultimately seen as just a CoD4 knockoff. Seeing it portrayed as a classic is very funny.
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I think it has more to do with how far AAA has fallen for gaming that some things are starting to look taken for granted in retrospect. WaW paled in comparison to CoD4's reinvention upon release, but now it looks like it was better than it was initially received. Let's be honest, most modern AAA games make WaW, as a complete package, look like a fine quality game in comparison now.

For the record, I played it when it was released and thought it was great. It really captured the brutal, horrific and haunting essence of war. Never got the critique and negativity surrounding it.
 
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March Climber said:
When you guys say things like this, do you just magically forget about companies like LJN or Acclaim, that would shamelessly take an entire concept from another game, attach it to a TV or movie license, and make it feel worse to play in every way?

Do you forget about those days when Capcom and Activision would sell a minor update for a game as a full 49.99 experience?

Do you forget about the many copy-paste Gears/CoD-like titles of the late 2000s? Or the platformer goldrush post-Mario 64?

Will you guys eventually forget all of the greedy stuff that happened during PS4 gen? Or is that the cut-off point when looking at the past?
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False equivalency. Since around 2015 it's just been an exercise in seeing what these companies can get away with. They started by locking overpowered weapons behind random supply drops to make you grateful for the battle pass system.

There are still as many shit rip-off titles now as there was back then. But the market has changed across all entertainment due to shareholders thinking that taking risk and doing new things is unnecessary. That's why B movies have died, very few get greenlit anymore.
 
ValiantInstance said:
False equivalency. Since around 2015 it's just been an exercise in seeing what these companies can get away with. They started by locking overpowered weapons behind random supply drops to make you grateful for the battle pass system.

There are still as many shit rip-off titles now as there was back then. But the market has changed across all entertainment due to shareholders thinking that taking risk and doing new things is unnecessary. That's why B movies have died, very few get greenlit anymore.
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So what's your own personal solution to this issue you've pointed out? How have you been gaming since 2015?
 
March Climber said:
So what's your own personal solution to this issue you've pointed out? How have you been gaming since 2015?
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I used to be a very heavy multiplayer gamer. Would often log a month each year in game time on the latest CoD. Whats the solution? Probably fan made mods that keep these old games alive like Plutonium and H2M. Multiplayer as we knew it in the 360 days is dead.

Now I stick mostly to single player games and never pre-order. Recently picked up Astro Bot and it's a blast.
 
March Climber said:
When you guys say things like this, do you just magically forget about companies like LJN or Acclaim, that would shamelessly take an entire concept from another game, attach it to a TV or movie license, and make it feel worse to play in every way?

Do you forget about those days when Capcom and Activision would sell a minor update for a game as a full 49.99 experience?

Do you forget about the many copy-paste Gears/CoD-like titles of the late 2000s? Or the platformer goldrush post-Mario 64?

Will you guys eventually forget all of the greedy stuff that happened during PS4 gen? Or is that the cut-off point when looking at the past?
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So we aren't supposed to complain about it and just accept slop and shit from our corporate overlords? Cod sucks now. I don't want to see some slut ho (minage) or weed camo, or a damn shark or whatever dumb ass garbage teir crap gen z likes. I swear they have the worst taste of any Gen. (sorry any that aren't like it but the way you all gravitate to fortnite and micro transactions is crazy).

Thing is I'd love an old school cod or hell give me quake 3/ UT like game where it's all a theme, and I will come back, until then they can bug off.
 
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ValiantInstance said:
I'd correct that to 'what they like is worse than what you like'.

Call of Duty 4 was a commentary on the Iraq War and American imperialism whilst the war was still ongoing. They used to have balls and take risks, now they follow whatever the data tells them will generate the most revenue for a company (Xbox) which is supposedly prioritising the user experience over this shit, but nothing has changed.

I remember shortly after the Activision merger was closed, I saw a Cheech and Chong operator trailer. From then on I knew they weren't gonna change shit.
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Not really.
Most of the kids playing games these days were all born Post-2010 - these types of game are what they've grown up with since they've been born. Are the games worse? Probably yeah, but the downward trend started nearly a decade ago, when today's kids were either too young to have object permanence or perhaps not even born. The COD, FIFA, mtx specials were allowed to exist and thrive because of gamers our age, not younger.
And given that the last decade or so has been loaded with political division, economic disasters and global catastrophies, maybe they don't want their games to be meta commentaries on the state of the world. Lord only knows everyone on GAF starts crying and whining any time modern day politics exists in any video game.

You guys need to remember that most people on this forum are 30-50. All the bad things in gaming exist because our generation of gamers enabled it.
 
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Because the people who make these games are psychology majors, trans people and corporate finance executives.

And casual players will always opt in to the most obnoxious aesthetic that a game has to offer.

It's the reason why everyone jerks off to Ghost from OG MW2. He was the only character that stood out aesthetically.
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hmm...that and the fact they ran out of actual ideas
 
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NuclearDiarrhea said:
Thank god for Ubisoft. Hopefully, the success of XDefiant will be so big that it will force Call of Duty to change its ways.
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Why, they are making more money than ever. Also, people forget the ridiculous perks that started with MW1 way back when. Esthetically the MP changed but it was always a wild ride game. And to me the most enjoyable where I can jump in for 30 mins, have my fix and go take a shit. Unlike BF where I spend just 15 mins waiting for lobbies to fill up etc. I never bought these kiddy outfits but I will accept I just turned 40 and the game isnt anymore made for me but for a new gen of kids that love this colorful shit. It obviously sells.
 
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Soodanim said:
I don't understand when people have time to use these long, elaborate animations. Are there non-competitive periods before/after the gameplay parts to give people time to show these off?
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Not exactly, but there is a good 10-15 you can stand around and jerk it at the beginning of a match.

I guess the pint of these is to do the animation before sneaking up on someone so it shows it on the killcam? Other than that I'm not sure.
 
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I remember playing the first CoD demo countless times before it launched. I was really into it, it was insane back then. Never played another CoD after it though
 
AeonGaidenRaiden said:
Why, they are making more money than ever. Also, people forget the ridiculous perks that started with MW1 way back when. Esthetically the MP changed but it was always a wild ride game. And to me the most enjoyable where I can jump in for 30 mins, have my fix and go take a shit. Unlike BF where I spend just 15 mins waiting for lobbies to fill up etc. I never bought these kiddy outfits but I will accept I just turned 40 and the game isnt anymore made for me but for a new gen of kids that love this colorful shit. It obviously sells.
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And it sells because of culture.

Compare the movies, cartoons, shows, books, we had growing up to what Gen Z had. I know as I raised two gen z kids. One found the woke cult via her ultra-feminist lesbian Girl scout troop, which was a big influencer. Son was spared because he hung out with me and i showed him older movies, games , DnD, Magic the gathering, chess, etc... We also did guy things like fishing, archery, bike riding, fixing cars, shooting rifles and pistols at a range, hiking etc...
If it was just my ex wife he would of become way different.

Without my showing him rock and roll, metal, Doom, Quake, Dark Souls, God of war, old terminator, star wars, trek, etc... he would of grown up with just steven universe, Disney channel, and a bunch of free to play crap games, but instead he played older games in addition to the gaas stuff.

Back in my youth in the 80s and early 90s edgy was cool. Metal was transgressive. Now rock and metal are dead, action star movies don't exist. Marvel, Star wars, Star Trek, Disney, Magic the gathering, Dungeons and Dragons etc... all went woke, have this pink, purple and rainbow aesthetic.

Is it any wonder this crap sells.

Yeah I may sound like an old guy yelling at the clouds (i'm 45 so getting there, but not yet), and I don't care. As I have been following culture and video games my whole life. I know what has appeal and what doesn't. Too many kids grew up without having a father or masculine influence. So you get what we have now. A bunch of shit devs who fall in line with woke culture and rot. Couple in toxic positivity and echo chambers from social media and you are left with what we have today.

Thankfully there are still a few devs who are making traditional games without the 4th wall breaking bs.

Oh and battlefield shit the bed with BF5. which sucks as I love ww2 era, they turned it around somewhat but abandoned the game. They really need to go back to Bad Company and make Bad Company 3, with single player campaign to bring people back in. Kick out the woke scolds and make a legit good sequel. Then follow it up with a proper reboot of Battlefield, in the vein of BF2-4. No cosmetics. All earned in game. Stop trying to copy cod.
 
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Prime example of MP/GAAS focus ruining gaming yet again.

As soon as you go GAAS its impossible to not divert to colorful, kiddy style trash apparently. The 2 are mutually exclusive.
 
a lot of the operators are bad ideas to use just because it will make you a huge glaring target. like the fluorescent green bug smasher you got if you played the beta, it's a way better idea to use the black one even though that was unlocked easier. the white anime girl is the same way although t might blend into the snow level or the new nuke town christmas map.
 
Shadowstar39 said:
So we aren't supposed to complain about it and just accept slop and shit from our corporate overlords?
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Why do some of you always resort to the usual polar opposite rebuttal? Who in the world would realistically say 'shut up and accept slop shit' on this website? Do you really think those are your only two options? It's a lazy rebuttal for easy reaction points. Like c'mon give me something better to work with next time.
 
New games aren't actually bad, but they've started to feel like copies of each other. There's a need for an innovative CoD. Even though I have a gamepass subscription, I don't feel like playing it. There are much bigger problems to address before getting to nonsense like Messi and Nicki Minaj operators.
 
With how popular the last blops campaign was I'm completely convinced we're never going to have a old style cod campaign ever again.
Missions where you just played as a grunt in some big, historical battle from WW2 are from a bygone era, zoomers could never cope with not having a "cohesive and in your face story" hand-holding them throughout all of the campaign.

My hope is that the Delta Force campaign that's coming out in January fills a little bit of that void in me.
 
Red Crayon Aristocrat said:
Everyone's forgotten that COD had a lot of haters, 15ish years ago it was called shit, everything that was wrong with "current" gaming.
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COD1 is over 20 years old.
pretty much everyone thought the first couple COD games were good/decent--fighting giant waves of soldiers was pretty novel back then and the historical setting was cool.
d-day normandy beach in COD1 was one of those "whoa" moments (and made it painfully clear i didnt have enough system RAM at the time).
everyone was like "whoaaa it's like im in Saving Private Ryan".

but 15 years ago, you started getting into modern warfare 2 or 3, and it was called shit because the whole i-can-get-shot-a-million-times pew-pew baby formula was old by then, they just kept churning out the games without innovating, and it was so popular and making so much money it was negatively influencing the industry (too many filthy casuals).
 
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
This video raises the question would some hardcore COD fans pay for a feature to turn off other skins and make them look more milsim?

The other crazy skins do not bother me as I play COD as an arcade shooter anyhow, if I want a more hardcore experience I play something else
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With all due respect, is this where we're at now? Where turning off cosmetics themselves should be monetized? Kinda a sickening idea to be honest. Talk about inventing a problem and then supplying the solution.

Why would it be necessary to make it a monetary option? Why not just implement a simple non-payable settings option to turn off these ridiculous cosmetics? Should be a question of a simple toggle functionality.
 
Lmao that MP footage is hilarious, glad I never touch that shite

That said Cold War and Black Ops 6 have genuinely great SP campaigns

Second half of the video goes hard, I would say it somewhat misrepresents past games since it shows them as these harrowing war criticizing masterpieces, but they were still action blockbusters....but it was still a good video. Great music.
 
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Success said:
It is fascinating growing older and seeing the growth of the bitter old man shouting at clouds.

I always wondered how old men become entrenched in their ideas and now I finally see it.

We are old GAF, times change and we are no longer the target audience.

Let's not stop young people from having their fun.
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It's perfectly valid to compare, praise or criticize art between the generations.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
This video raises the question would some hardcore COD fans pay for a feature to turn off other skins and make them look more milsim?

The other crazy skins do not bother me as I play COD as an arcade shooter anyhow, if I want a more hardcore experience I play something else
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What else do you have in mind?

For me there is Tarkov maybe but it's nothing like CoD overall in terms of gameplay.

Counter Strike is the only alternative if you want to shoot guns with any resemblance to real world ballistics in a relatively fast paced environment.

Battlefield?
 
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twilo99 said:
What else do you have in mind?

For me there is Tarkov maybe but it's nothing like CoD overall in terms of gameplay.

Counter Strike is the only alternative if you want to shoot guns with any resemblance to real world ballistics in a relatively fast paced environment.

Battlefield?
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It's a totally different animal but when I want to play something more hardcore I play Hell Let Loose

Most COD only players can't take that game, it really weeds out those type of players
 
nemiroff said:
Meh. It's not exactly sacrilegious to reskin a mp character in a videogame.. I say remove that stick up the arse, why so serious. Let people have fun and clown around a bit. There's always Arma if the drab and dry mil sim is more your thing (I for one like both types of games btw).
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Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I mean god damn we live in a world where a game having unicorns and rainbows is mundane. You can have your Fortnites. Not every game needs to be Fortnite though! Let games have a distinct style instead of a miasma of mass mandated memes.
 
Hypereides said:
Why would it be necessary to make it a monetary option? Why not just implement a simple non-payable settings option to turn off these ridiculous cosmetics? Should be a question of a simple toggle functionality.
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Because this would obviously prevent people from buying cosmetics, why spend money if no one is there to see it? And without this income updates wouldn't be free anymore, they'd go back to the stupid paid map pack/season system that just splinters the userbase because it's 50$ on top of the game's price.
 
I started with COD1, hell I started with Medal of Honor, but I absolutely love all the wild skins ! It's like Fortnite BUT better shooting and gaming mechanics (FPS)

I don't want hoo-rah military shooter, I just want a fun game!

I definitely prefer Treyarch COD over Infinity War

If I can play as some popular IP skin while STAYING in the game I love, then yeah I'll buy the skins.
 
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Reizo Ryuu said:
Because this would obviously prevent people from buying cosmetics, why spend money if no one is there to see it? And without this income updates wouldn't be free anymore, they'd go back to the stupid paid map pack/season system that just splinters the userbase because it's 50$ on top of the game's price.
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I'll take optional $25 map packs once every 3 - 6 months over letting people pay $25, for ONE skin, just so I can get a shitty free map every so often. It's fucking gross that this mentality has infected gaming.

It's a "fuck you, got mine" all for an infinite escalation of aesthetic absurdity every time.
 
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