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Pokémon Community Thread 4: "Your Portal to What's Hip and Happening in Sinnoh!"
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HeavyMetalLover91
Member
Please, just stop. I know you really want Gen 7 to be the next mainline game, but it's not going to happen. Z will be announced in due course and it'll be released around Summer 2016 at the latest. That leaves us a nice 18 month gap for the holiday release of Gen 7 in 2017.
It's nice to think GameFreak is going to break tradition, especially as Gen 5 in itself was break of tradition (sequels, no remakes, a 3 year gen rather than 4) but it's quite clear that Z is coming be it as a sequel, a game that comes in a pair or just an enhanced version on it's own. Your enthusiasm for the next generation is to be admired, I love the thought of a new region and Pokemon as well, but you only have to look at the sales of the Wii U and 3DS to see that not only will Gen 7 not be on existing hardware, but it's not going to be out for another 2 years.
I only say this because you'll have one big dish of crow to eat come next summer.
ColtraineGF
Member
Watch it be Delta to mess with people.
Though I'm completely expecting Z, since the story didn't really end on a cliffhanger.
Though I'm completely expecting Z, since the story didn't really end on a cliffhanger.
ArchedThunder
Banned
this is canon tho
pokemon strip clubs are real, that explains Aromatesse
Lol, what does this even say?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
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>Muscle-loving "mach girls" are on the increase! We go undercover at the currently trending "Machamp Cafe"!
>Machamp do a lot of heavy labor, but the current hot trend are the Machamp that don't do heavy labor, but instead work at a special place. That place is called the "Machamp Cafe". That's right: A cafe where customers are waited upon by Machamp is the current hot trend among young female Trainers.
>As we enter the cafe, we note that most of the clients are women. There's been a rapid increase in girls obsessed with the muscular beauty the Machamp sport, these women are called "mach girls".
>At the cafe, the Machamp strike various poses upon request. Here, you can drink a Lemonade or a Soda Pop as you admire the Machamp's beautiful muscles. These cafes mainly operate in Celadon City, Kanto, but are branching out to elsewhere as well.
I don't think it'll be as simple as Z or "Delta". Especially as we have two Zygarde Cores to play with, which seem to follow the Red/Blue motif that has followed through the entire series
Wow, please don't put words in my mouth. I do find Gen 7 a considerable possibility, but I've been forward on my view that it's only one of the possible answers to the several issues that have been raised against the "Z" scenario. And while I don't like repeating myself, I also don't like being called irrational, therefore I'm forced to reiterate:
- The use of ORAS in Worlds 2016 is suspicious. Incidentally, that was my original point.
- Masuda's presentation in the Pokémon GO conference is also suspicious.
- Pokémon is moving forward with the Z era without a game release. That concerns not just the anime, but also merchandise, Tretta, Special, and other media. By the time a supposed "Pokémon Z" releases, a lot of the material it is meant to introduce will be old news.
- XY coverage is also on its last legs, with the TV anime apparently nearing the Kalos League and Special being close to climax.
- February is the Virtual Console release of RGBY and the PAL release of SMD. March is the release of Pokkén in Japan (currently "Spring" for other regions). Pokémon GO is also expected for early 2016. Meanwhile TCG's XY10 set (releasing in March) still appears to be BREAK-based, while Zygarde is entering the TCG on the same day as it via a half-deck. Since sets tend to release once every three months, that would bring a potential Z-based XY11 to June.
- That makes May or June the earliest a potential "Pokémon Z" game could viably release, which raises the question of why Zygarde started being featured so prominently starting in October without the announcement, much less the release, of the game it will be featured in.
- All Pokémon, including Legendary ones, are available between XY and ORAS. Those two games' ecosystems have also expended Pokémon selection almost entirely. The wild would certainly feel a bit less exciting without diversification.
- Current metagame has without doubt reached saturation. Things introduced in ORAS barely changed anything, and while there's no guarantee "Z" would follow that example, there's no guarantee for the opposite either.
- If they want a second generation on 3DS, which is not necessarily the case, 2016 is their only chance. Incidentally, plenty high-profile releases are scheduled for 2016, including Yo-Kai Watch 3, Monster Hunter Stories and Dragon Quest XI. The system's hardware sales (and much less the Wii U's...) have little bearing on how well software sales could perform on it.
- A release on NX within its first year would be a first. A non-release would either make Gen 6 last five years, or introduce Gen 7 on 3DS in 2017, which is unimaginable. I have to admit a generation launching in 2017 on both 3DS and NX sounds like an interesting scenario, which may be worth exploring later.
Are they ways around these things? Of course. We've discussed about things ranging from a new secondary (or even primary) region to Ash-Greninja being an example of a gameplay mechanic meant to refresh the metagame of a potential final Gen 6 release. And yes, even the "Gen 6.5" card has been thrown, even though that would be rather unique and unlikely. I have no "crow" to eat regardless; I simply raised a few arguments against the most prevalent assumption for the next mainline game, without precluding the possibility of being wrong.
I have no reason to "really want Gen 7" in 2016. As a matter of fact, the only scenario that would really surprise me is a mere third version structured around Zygarde -- which is what I'm mainly arguing against. Anything else, from a largely innovative final Gen 6 entry (with more than just a Zygarde-based agenda, and a potential second region) to Gen 7, would be well in line with my expectations. There's no reason to be so condescending.
We have one Mythical pokemon left for Gen VI. Don't forget about that.
I don't see any of your arguments pointing to Gen VII anyway. Its more a sign that something happened with Z that caused a delay for the game.
ArchedThunder
Banned
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>Muscle-loving "mach girls" are on the increase! We go undercover at the currently trending "Machamp Cafe"!
>Machamp do a lot of heavy labor, but the current hot trend are the Machamp that don't do heavy labor, but instead work at a special place. That place is called the "Machamp Cafe". That's right: A cafe where customers are waited upon by Machamp is the current hot trend among young female Trainers.
>As we enter the cafe, we note that most of the clients are women. There's been a rapid increase in girls obsessed with the muscular beauty the Machamp sport, these women are called "mach girls".
>At the cafe, the Machamp strike various poses upon request. Here, you can drink a Lemonade or a Soda Pop as you admire the Machamp's beautiful muscles. These cafes mainly operate in Celadon City, Kanto, but are branching out to elsewhere as well.
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ColtraineGF
Member
I did forget about the other core, hmm.
Though I'm not aware of how the cores relate to the story, so I'll hold off on assuming anything else.
How so?
Not really. We've had years of the same game as before. Let's wait until we actually get the 2016 ruleset before we start making determinations based on it
Ah, but that's just marketing. From the looks of it the anime climax for this will be in March (based on merchandise releases) and that's a perfect time to reveal the games based on that and carry on the hype
None of that is rather relevant
To get people talking. To not have their reveal schedules and methods be predictable and obvious. To do new stuff
[*]All Pokémon, including Legendary ones, are available between XY and ORAS. Those two games' ecosystems have also expended Pokémon selection almost entirely. The wild would certainly feel a bit less exciting without diversification.
There's zero evidence or even hints of them considering a second generation on 3DS, so I don't see why it is being brought up repeatedly.
Also don't forget that they won't start hyping a new generation while we lack all the new Pokémon from this one, so it'd be July at the earliest for us to learn of a new generation. It's not happening.
Mainly referring to the infamous slide. Not that it necessarily means anything, but it's a talking point.
Possibly. But it's also indication that Zygarde isn't as important for the next game as it may initially seem.
Sure it is. The later it gets, the more questionable the early revelation of Zygarde becomes.
So? The point remains that there's hardly a guarantee that the NX handheld will release in late 2016. And even if it does, which is possible, everything that I said bellow remains true. Game Freak has worked with relatively established audiences so far, and the earliest they released a game is 20 months from its system's launch. I'm not saying they couldn't make an earlier release, but I don't see why a second 3DS release seems so much more unlikely.
That's a made-up rule. Munchlax was revealed before Deoxys was distributed.
That was taken ridiculously out of context. Anyone who watched the presentation would know that. All he used it for was to say that this was the 20th anniversary coming up.
Which caused confusion. There were people who thought Munchlax was being added in Emerald because of it.
It was a terrible idea then which is why it hasn't happened since.
if we don't get game news in December, I'd be ready to throw my hat back into the "we're not getting Z" ring, or at least not in the form that we're thinking that it'll be. having zygarde showcased in the anime so early before a movie and game isn't a rational marketing tactic that i'd expect a company to make (which is why they've never done it before) and the fact that we'll see complete zygarde in tretta before a new mainline game is just a strange choice that I don't think has happened to a Pokemon of Zygarde's supposed importance.
Munchlax was revealed over 2 years before Diamond & Pearl came out, long before it was revealed. Same with Lucario, Mime Jr., Bonsly and Weavile.
Giratina Origin Forme was also revealed long before the Platinum reveal (well 3 months. We're actually at the 3 month mark for Complete Forme Zygarde next month...). We're just seeing more of Zygarde right now compared to Giratina back then because there's more going on in Pokémon now.
Tbf, only the second paragraph is relevant as the other Pokes aren't Legendaries.
Anyway we'll see.
Well, we are almost certainly getting a mainline game in 2016 and that is enough to keep me happy. Whether it's Z or something else I'm already pretty excited! Hopefully TPC reveals what it will be in the next few months (I'm starting to feel like a Febuary announcement might be in the cards, just a gut feeling).
Anyways, I went ahead and got my Hoopa today. I'm glad that the event overlapped with my break. I might be at one of the few schools with no McDonalds anywhere close to it.
Anyways, I went ahead and got my Hoopa today. I'm glad that the event overlapped with my break. I might be at one of the few schools with no McDonalds anywhere close to it.
none of these are the main stars of diamond and pearl and this comparison only goes further to show what ash ag was saying, that they're treating the appearances of the potential main star of their next game more disposably than they normally do
Perhaps, but Giratina certainly does.
Giratina Origin Forme was officially unveiled in February 2008. Platinum wasn't revealed until May 2008, three months later.
Zygarde Complete Forme, after two months of teases, was unveiled in September 2015. We are rapidly approaching the three month mark with CoroCoro saying they have big news in (which they seldom do)
Professor Beef
Banned
At this point I just do not give a shit about Zygarde.
spyroflame0487
Member
It's mainly just to get feet in the door. If you're inside a store like Gamestop doing a download, maybe you'll also want to browse around. Maybe you'll see something you like and pick it up. Maybe not. But getting someone in the door is better than not coming in at all.
Same with McDonalds but to a bigger extent. You're in there already, maybe you want a snack or a drink, right?
Simply doing it over wifi doesn't really net them any sort of monetary income and partnering with a store or restaurant at least helps them to shop stuff around. Gamestop still has exclusive Pokemon TCG sets, and McDonalds has been a pretty faithful partner for the toys for the last 5 years.
Speaking of which, look at what I got!
Cute little suckers, shame on the paint though..but its a fast food toy. The card that came with Groudon was all bent up even though there's a cardboard backing in there which leads me to believe any card in there will probably be mucked about due to Grou's size and shape.
Hoopa's OT is "Mac" which is kind of funny.
Here's the little insert that came with the toy. I'm after this neat Hoopa cutout they had attached to the toy display though. It's was neat.
judging from the archives on your site, all that giratina got was a quick reveal on its movie website before the platinum reveal (doesn't even look like it got anime artwork, just the standard game one), while zygarde complete and the rest of the forms are already being showcased to some capacity in a sidegame and the anime.
like I said, i'll wait until after december to jump back on that boat, i'm just saying that it's odd that we're getting as much as we are as early as now.
Yeah I guess that does make sense Spyro. I didn't realize that there were Pokemon happy meal toys. I would have been tempted to get one while I was there just to see who'd it be.
What's the deal with Hoopa unbound? I got the prison bottle from the pokemart and they made a point about a mere 3 days. Can you only have unbound form for 3 days or does it have unlimited use?
What's the deal with Hoopa unbound? I got the prison bottle from the pokemart and they made a point about a mere 3 days. Can you only have unbound form for 3 days or does it have unlimited use?
It reverts to the confined form after three days, but then you just need to use the prison bottle again
AetherZX
Member
The forme lasts for 3 days. You'll have to use the bottle again.
It reverts to the confined form after three days, but then you just need to use the prison bottle again
Ahh ok. That makes sense. Thanks!
Aaronrules380
Member
Anyone have an extra Hoopa they'd be willing to trade with me? If you want something in return I can see what I can do
There's far more going on in Pokémon now than there was in 2008. I often had to pull updates up saying "No news" since I didn't like to miss more than one calendar day of updates.
Using Zygarde in this way is a clever marketing trick to drum up enthusiasm and hype.
Also Giratina got anime artwork...that's how it was revealed. Sugimori artwork didn't come until much later.
It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
There's a chance I'll pass McDonalds tomorrow. If so I can get one for you. Events go by save file and not 3ds right. Can I get a 2nd Hoopa with X if I already got one with OR?
Edit: Nevermind, looks like Kaleo has a much easier way to go about it.
If you have a NA 3DS, just do this to receive the McDonald's Hoopa, probably won't take more than 5 minutes:
1) Set an open connection, without any encryption, with this SSID name: "McDonalds Free WiFi" (without the quotes; and spaces and capitalization matters). Do this through your home router, or your phone hotspot. If you're afraid of someone using your connection, set a MAC filter so only your 3DS can access it.
2) Configure your Connection 1 on 3DS to this new open connection.
3) Go into your XYORAS game, then: Mystery Gift > Get Via Internet.
As far as I know, this only works for NA systems. I live in Brazil, and received the McDonald's Hoopa this way.
dakkumauji
Member
start your nostalgia engines
also good episode of the lion king
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Has anyone here played Pokemon Zeta and Omicron? I haven't heard of these before so I assume they're fan made. Are they any good?
UltimateIke
Member
I just did this. Thanks for the tip!
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
It's rough around the edges, but it's certainly worth a try since it's a pretty well designed fangame with a lot of content (two full regions plus a hefty postgame area). Even has a graphical mod to make battles look similar to XY, if you want.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's quite great because it lacked any dialog yet managed to be so entertaining. We rarely see "wilderness survival" in the anime.
Cute Dragon Here
Member
I just want to be able to play with cute widdly Zygarde in some way.
Cute Dragon Here
Member
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"Wololololo"
A room full of Zygarde plushies
Not75Drops
Member
Volcanion is pretty much a lock for next year as well but likely won't be seen next month's inevitable movie teaser. Gen VI isn't done yet.
dakkumauji
Member
ArchedThunder
Banned
Wonder how long until they start making blue belly merch.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
that's the squishy plush that vibrates right?
man I love that cry in the anime
and his "voiced" voice is so hilarious
"Wololololo"
man I love that cry in the anime
and his "voiced" voice is so hilarious
I gotta say. XY&Z coming out before any details on the game brings something that is so magical to the series, and that is mystery. I haven't felt this "whaaa...i wonder what that is !" since we were kids and I was too little to know every detail about games as they were announced. Zygarde core, the whole Z mystery...its so exciting!
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
It's surprising how cute and appealing Squishy ended up being, I literally would love to train one on looks alone and prior to it I didn't care much about Zygarde.
